Thor's six foot six and weights more than.. 100 lb heavier than Andre the Giant. Unless Tony Stark turned into Bruce Lee over night if Thor falls on him he wins. lulz (as in if we took away his natural powers and made him human)
Tony's techo virus still makes him far superior to Thor mentally. Tony can react in picoseconds ... whereas Thor's... somewhat peak human given the circumstances. Unless this count as a power or suit, it still stands.
Otherwise under "normal" conditions, Thor should win, regardless of Tony's training with Cap due to Thor's physical superiority and experience. Training with Cap doesn't mean Tony automatically learns how to fight someone that's stronger, faster, and more experienced than he is overnight.
Tony. Somebody show me Thor doing anything other than brawling. Tony has showings from his training with Cap.
I hate to resort to this but wiki here ...
Master Combatant:
Thor is one of the most trained and experienced warriors in all of the Marvel Universe. Even when Thor had been stripped of his powers and made into a mortal he was able to match the warrior prowess of beings such as Captain America. Thor like beings such as Hercules, is a master of various forms of combat but often prefer to use a brawling type when fighting beings such as Juggernaut, Gladiator and Abomination. Thor not only has mastered the forms of fighting on Earth but also the various techniques that are unique to Asgard as well. Thor is also one of the greatest weapons expert to exist in the Marvel Universe. He is generally seen wielding a hammer but has also shown great prowess using weapons such as an axe, sword, bows, shields and clubs.
He has mastered the forms of earth but also has techniques unique to asgard .. he wins here.
Tony. Somebody show me Thor doing anything other than brawling. Tony has showings from his training with Cap.
I hate to resort to this but wiki here ...
Master Combatant:
Thor is one of the most trained and experienced warriors in all of the Marvel Universe. Even when Thor had been stripped of his powers and made into a mortal he was able to match the warrior prowess of beings such as Captain America. Thor like beings such as Hercules, is a master of various forms of combat but often prefer to use a brawling type when fighting beings such as Juggernaut, Gladiator and Abomination. Thor not only has mastered the forms of fighting on Earth but also the various techniques that are unique to Asgard as well. Thor is also one of the greatest weapons expert to exist in the Marvel Universe. He is generally seen wielding a hammer but has also shown great prowess using weapons such as an axe, sword, bows, shields and clubs.
He has mastered the forms of earth but also has techniques unique to asgard .. he wins here.
Having unseen centuries of experience doesn't make you the best fighter on-panel. Ares is living proof of that. Without his suit, Tony is still an enhanced human. Can I see that fight between Thor and Cap?
Tony. Somebody show me Thor doing anything other than brawling. Tony has showings from his training with Cap.
I hate to resort to this but wiki here ...
Master Combatant:
Thor is one of the most trained and experienced warriors in all of the Marvel Universe. Even when Thor had been stripped of his powers and made into a mortal he was able to match the warrior prowess of beings such as Captain America. Thor like beings such as Hercules, is a master of various forms of combat but often prefer to use a brawling type when fighting beings such as Juggernaut, Gladiator and Abomination. Thor not only has mastered the forms of fighting on Earth but also the various techniques that are unique to Asgard as well. Thor is also one of the greatest weapons expert to exist in the Marvel Universe. He is generally seen wielding a hammer but has also shown great prowess using weapons such as an axe, sword, bows, shields and clubs.
He has mastered the forms of earth but also has techniques unique to asgard .. he wins here.
Having unseen centuries of experience doesn't make you the best fighter on-panel. Ares is living proof of that. Without his suit, Tony is still an enhanced human. Can I see that fight between Thor and Cap?
I do recall a fight between both of them before I believe...
Experience helps towards specificities, not all forms of combat thereof. Ares is experienced in battle and such but so is Captain... but the difference is that Cap isn't "invincible" liaison to Ares because Steve is a mortal and therefore, has to learn to fight and survive much better than Ares has to.
Tony wins because:
Tony's techo virus still makes him far superior to Thor mentally. Tony can react in picoseconds ... whereas Thor's... somewhat peak human given the circumstances. Unless this count as a power or suit, it still stands.
But otherwise:
Otherwise under "normal" conditions, Thor should win, regardless of Tony's training with Cap due to Thor's physical superiority and experience. Training with Cap doesn't mean Tony automatically learns how to fight someone that's stronger, faster, and more experienced than he is overnight.
@god_spawn: Thor even depowered as i shown fought those creatures was depowerd to near mortal levels so he had to rely on skill. Thor has also been trainined in various weapons.
he showed up lady sif when he was younger.
Thor is depowered here
Here Rogers was big on complementing how well Thor was doing while depowered and he able to keep up with Caps beating people senseless, even without Mjolnir being reduced to something to just pound faces in."
@god_spawn: Thor even depowered as i shown fought those creatures was depowerd to near mortal levels so he had to rely on skill. Thor has also been trainined in various weapons.
he showed up lady sif when he was younger.
Thor is depowered here
Here Rogers was big on complementing how well Thor was doing while depowered and he able to keep up with Caps beating people senseless, even without Mjolnir being reduced to something to just pound faces in."
Even with these feats, Tony's still much faster in synapse processing by at least a trillion times.
@PunkMastaFlex: After my post of feats if you want to believe tony wins ... I got nothing else to say unless you show me similar scans of starks.
I know well enough of both Thor and Stark to determine who wins under this scenario. Stark reacts in picoseconds as opposed to Thor whom is assumed to be peak human fast. That's a trillion times faster than Thor's thought process.
@PunkMastaFlex: starks is human and has no powers and has absolutely no reaction speed that you speak of as a human .. you realize that right. If he did he would be a mutant.
@PunkMastaFlex: starks is human and has no powers and has absolutely no reaction speed that you speak of as a human .. you realize that right. If he did he would be a mutant.
He'd be a mutate or cyborg. Considering his brain is part machine from the last I heard, it is perfectly acceptable he can react faster now than Thor who said Wolverine was faster than he is.
@PunkMastaFlex: starks is human and has no powers and has absolutely no reaction speed that you speak of as a human .. you realize that right. If he did he would be a mutant.
He'd be a mutate or cyborg. Considering his brain is part machine from the last I heard, it is perfectly acceptable he can react faster now than Thor who said Wolverine was faster than he is.
Thor said that Wolverine is "faster" than he is? Seriously?
@Illuminatus: I believe in terms of combat and reflex speed yes. Thor hasn't had the speed feats or reaction feats like he used to, in fact he has shown to be much slower.
@PunkMastaFlex: starks is human and has no powers and has absolutely no reaction speed that you speak of as a human .. you realize that right. If he did he would be a mutant.
He'd be a mutate or cyborg. Considering his brain is part machine from the last I heard, it is perfectly acceptable he can react faster now than Thor who said Wolverine was faster than he is.
Thor said that Wolverine is "faster" than he is? Seriously?
Thor is, more or less, as faster than peak human but slower than Wolverine or Spider-Man. Thor's speed depends on plot. In once incident, you have Thor fighting circles around Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer and Quicksilver and in another (Nowadays), he's slower than Wolverine.
@sandiego008 said:
@PunkMastaFlex: starks is human and has no powers and has absolutely no reaction speed that you speak of as a human .. you realize that right. If he did he would be a mutant.
@PunkMastaFlex: posting scans of iron man in a suit means nothing ... it isnt iron man vs thor it is tony starks vs thor
Tomato, tomahto. I posted a scan of Iron Man that suggested his mind thinks on picosecond level, much faster (A trillion times) than even a peak human (Thor's assumed to possess peak human reaction under these circumstances). Stark thinks much faster than Thor and that means Stark will be able to react to anything and everything Thor does, regardless of lack of experience and inferior physical stature.
If someone's mind can think on picosecond level, then it can be assumed that their synapses, pain sensing, reaction, will also be on level with that speed. If someone strikes you at a trillion times slower than normal because you perceived it to be as such, would it hurt?... or would it feel as if it were a slight brush? Of course, Stark would never give Thor the chance to strike him.
@PunkMastaFlex: show that feat w/o iron man suit ... he literally has computers imbedded in him now when he becomes iron man ... that feat is not admissible unless you can prove that speed in his human form ... I challenge you to prove he can w/o the suit.
@PunkMastaFlex: @sandiego008: Also Tony has EXTREMIS in his body. I think for this battle that has to be taken out. I don't think any regular human can think that fast.
@PunkMastaFlex: show that feat w/o iron man suit ... he literally has computers imbedded in him now when he becomes iron man ... that feat is not admissible unless you can prove that speed in his human form ... I challenge you to prove he can w/o the suit.
The Extremis virus enhanced Stark to virtually superhuman levels in durability, speed, and especially reaction timing to the point he was capable of reacting fast enough to dodge an unrestrained Spider-man and to contend against and actually impressed Sentry with his speed. Tony thinks and the armor reacts instantly to his thoughts:
Tony specifically stated that HE controls Iron Man with his thoughts and he controls the armor as if it were another limb.
Iron Man's enemy in this scan is enhanced with the Extremis virus and his speed allowed him to defeat Iron Man in their first fight. In the second, he couldn't even see Stark:
@PunkMastaFlex: starks is human and has no powers and has absolutely no reaction speed that you speak of as a human .. you realize that right. If he did he would be a mutant.
He'd be a mutate or cyborg. Considering his brain is part machine from the last I heard, it is perfectly acceptable he can react faster now than Thor who said Wolverine was faster than he is.
Thor said that Wolverine is "faster" than he is? Seriously?
Thor has said Galactus might be as powerful as Odin.
@PunkMastaFlex: starks is human and has no powers and has absolutely no reaction speed that you speak of as a human .. you realize that right. If he did he would be a mutant.
He'd be a mutate or cyborg. Considering his brain is part machine from the last I heard, it is perfectly acceptable he can react faster now than Thor who said Wolverine was faster than he is.
Thor said that Wolverine is "faster" than he is? Seriously?
Thor has said Galactus might be as powerful as Odin. Thor tends to either be drunk or unreliable.
@PunkMastaFlex: starks is human and has no powers and has absolutely no reaction speed that you speak of as a human .. you realize that right. If he did he would be a mutant.
He'd be a mutate or cyborg. Considering his brain is part machine from the last I heard, it is perfectly acceptable he can react faster now than Thor who said Wolverine was faster than he is.
Thor said that Wolverine is "faster" than he is? Seriously?
Thor has said Galactus might be as powerful as Odin. Thor tends to either be drunk or unreliable.
Tony. Somebody show me Thor doing anything other than brawling. Tony has showings from his training with Cap.
I hate to resort to this but wiki here ...
Master Combatant:
Thor is one of the most trained and experienced warriors in all of the Marvel Universe. Even when Thor had been stripped of his powers and made into a mortal he was able to match the warrior prowess of beings such as Captain America. Thor like beings such as Hercules, is a master of various forms of combat but often prefer to use a brawling type when fighting beings such as Juggernaut, Gladiator and Abomination. Thor not only has mastered the forms of fighting on Earth but also the various techniques that are unique to Asgard as well. Thor is also one of the greatest weapons expert to exist in the Marvel Universe. He is generally seen wielding a hammer but has also shown great prowess using weapons such as an axe, sword, bows, shields and clubs.
He has mastered the forms of earth but also has techniques unique to asgard .. he wins here.
Having unseen centuries of experience doesn't make you the best fighter on-panel. Ares is living proof of that. Without his suit, Tony is still an enhanced human. Can I see that fight between Thor and Cap?
I do recall a fight between both of them before I believe...
Experience helps towards specificities, not all forms of combat thereof. Ares is experienced in battle and such but so is Captain... but the difference is that Cap isn't "invincible" liaison to Ares because Steve is a mortal and therefore, has to learn to fight and survive much better than Ares has to.
Tony wins because:
Tony's techo virus still makes him far superior to Thor mentally. Tony can react in picoseconds ... whereas Thor's... somewhat peak human given the circumstances. Unless this count as a power or suit, it still stands.
But otherwise:
Otherwise under "normal" conditions, Thor should win, regardless of Tony's training with Cap due to Thor's physical superiority and experience. Training with Cap doesn't mean Tony automatically learns how to fight someone that's stronger, faster, and more experienced than he is overnight.
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@sandiego008 said:
@PunkMastaFlex: show that feat w/o iron man suit ... he literally has computers imbedded in him now when he becomes iron man ... that feat is not admissible unless you can prove that speed in his human form ... I challenge you to prove he can w/o the suit.
The Extremis virus enhanced Stark to virtually superhuman levels in durability, speed, and especially reaction timing to the point he was capable of reacting fast enough to dodge an unrestrained Spider-man and to contend against and actually impressed Sentry with his speed. Tony thinks and the armor reacts instantly to his thoughts:
Tony specifically stated that HE controls Iron Man with his thoughts and he controls the armor as if it were another limb.
Iron Man's enemy in this scan is enhanced with the Extremis virus and his speed allowed him to defeat Iron Man in their first fight. In the second, he couldn't even see Stark:
YES Tony had training from Steve Rogers, but that doesn't make in on par with him. And Thor (as the wiki says) has much more exp in fighting H2H than Tony, and a lot of more muscle
YES Tony had training from Steve Rogers, but that doesn't make in on par with him. And Thor (as the wiki says) has much more exp in fighting H2H than Tony, and a lot of more muscle
Under this scenario, Thor's assumed to be peak human and therefore, his strength will possibly be around a thousand lbs but as for Tony, his extremis virus makes him too fast for Thor.
As I stated earlier:
Experience helps towards specificities, not all forms of combat thereof. Ares is experienced in battle and such but so is Captain... but the difference is that Cap isn't "invincible" liaison to Ares because Steve is a mortal and therefore, has to learn to fight and survive much better than Ares has to. Same logic can be applied to Thor.
Tony wins because:
Tony's techo virus still makes him far superior to Thor mentally. Tony can react in picoseconds ... whereas Thor's... somewhat peak human given the circumstances. Unless this count as a power or suit, it still stands.
But otherwise:
Otherwise under "normal" conditions, Thor should win, regardless of Tony's training with Cap due to Thor's physical superiority and experience. Training with Cap doesn't mean Tony automatically learns how to fight someone that's stronger, faster, and more experienced than he is overnight.
@PunkMastaFlex: Didn't know it was Extremis Tony Stark, but if the battle is like that and Tony can react in pico-seconds then yeah, there's not a chance Thors landing a single punch then so Stark could win eventually (and I imagine it wouldn't be easy to knock out Thor however)
@PunkMastaFlex: starks is human and has no powers and has absolutely no reaction speed that you speak of as a human .. you realize that right. If he did he would be a mutant.
He'd be a mutate or cyborg. Considering his brain is part machine from the last I heard, it is perfectly acceptable he can react faster now than Thor who said Wolverine was faster than he is.
Thor also said Galactus MIGHT be as powerful as Odin and said he could never beat Hulk, when he has beaten him multiple times.
YES Tony had training from Steve Rogers, but that doesn't make in on par with him. And Thor (as the wiki says) has much more exp in fighting H2H than Tony, and a lot of more muscle
Under this scenario, Thor's assumed to be peak human and therefore, his strength will possibly be around a thousand lbs but as for Tony, his extremis virus makes him too fast for Thor.
As I stated earlier:
Experience helps towards specificities, not all forms of combat thereof. Ares is experienced in battle and such but so is Captain... but the difference is that Cap isn't "invincible" liaison to Ares because Steve is a mortal and therefore, has to learn to fight and survive much better than Ares has to. Same logic can be applied to Thor.
Tony wins because:
Tony's techo virus still makes him far superior to Thor mentally. Tony can react in picoseconds ... whereas Thor's... somewhat peak human given the circumstances. Unless this count as a power or suit, it still stands.
But otherwise:
Otherwise under "normal" conditions, Thor should win, regardless of Tony's training with Cap due to Thor's physical superiority and experience. Training with Cap doesn't mean Tony automatically learns how to fight someone that's stronger, faster, and more experienced than he is overnight.
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