CW Oliver Queen and Diggle vs MCU Hawkeye and Widow

This is all current versions with all feats until this day.

-All standard Gear

-Battle takes place in a Costco so there is plenty of cover and places to maneuver

-All of the heroes however start facing eachother 10 meters away

-in character but no knowledge

Who wins?

Black Widow and Hawkeye

Not really sure about Hawkeye's stealth feats as I see this turning into a cat and mouse style hunt, but I think Diggle is the weak link here. I'd give it to team MCU if for no other reason than they have looser moral restrictions.

Team one easily. At this distance, Oliver might solo.

Ollie solos. Green Arrow has them easily outclassed at hand to hand. CW Anarky, Ghul, Prometheus, Merlyn Darhk have all fallen against Ollie and he can hold off and beat his entire team at once. If they get the range advantage they might win but Ollie can use stealth to close the distance and then it's over.

Black Widow and Hawkeye

@riddlerfan77: green arrow also has some really shitty hand to hand feats too. They really screwed him season 4 and people always bring that up ?. He was also the only one who needed help against the demolition team. He had to get saved.

This is how Oliver vs Nat will go down.

He solos.

@rbt: well, Hawkeye is here too.

Are you implying Diggle holds off Hawkeye while Oliver tries to take out Nat?

Team 1 wrecks. Ollie could solo if he plays it smart. And Diggle's pretty decent too.

Clint has better chance of beating Dig than Dig has of beating him from range, especially with cover. I'm arguing that Oliver won't need Dig at all.

@blitzsikes: Rewatch the fight. Laurel and Tha duo team one and Oliver and Diggle fight 1V1 against the two other guys. Ollie stomps his guy through the entire fight. They guy literally lands two hits and Ollie's playing mop up with him. Lance shoots the guy but Ollie was dominating him. Polls really need to stop saying S4 Ollie is a jobber. He best his entire team 3V1 and destroyed Merlyn and non magic Darhk. As I keep reminding people Anarky has feats that put him on the level of CW Ghul.

Team 1.

@riddlerfan77: it really looked like Ollie needed help. I rewatched the fight recently actually and Ollie seemed to have been saved just in time. He even looked relieved when his opponent got shot. Not to mention that season 5 Ollie dominated Anarky in a fight so it's a fair assumption to say that season four Ollie was most likely nerfed.

@blitzsikes: Season 5 Ollie did not dominate Anarky. He looked worn down and was struggling. Anarky Aldo tags him multiple times and pins him. Ollie was relieved because he needed to disarm the bombs something he couldn't do with a guy running after him Attacking him. Ollie doesn't have to be saved, he was countering all the guys hits and dominating him. He only gets hit once.

@riddlerfan77: he beat Anarky up and handcuffed him.

Also at the end of the demolition fight Ollie was completely vulnerable. It literally looked like he was vulenerable enough to be seriously hurt

@blitzsikes: What's the episode number?

@blitzsikes: They were both standing up to rush each other. How was he about to be beat up. I just re watched it. Ollie counters and hits the guy about 9 times. The guy tags Ollie twice. Anarky losing doesn't mean that he demolished him. It just means that he's improved enough to beat him. He still struggles to put him down. Anarky pins him and tags him multiple times. Ollie was struggling to beat Anarky and barely did so. He looked seriously worn down at the end.

Team MCU.

@riddlerfan77: oh shit you're right.

My bad guys. I just rewatched the whole thing on YouTube and clearly missed Ollie standing at the end. I only remembered it from him getting knocked down. So so sorry

I was wrong

Widow and Hawk.

There's next to nothing nothing Arrow can do that either Hawkeye or Widow cannot do better. Diggle is a non-factor.

Ollie solos, with or without gear.

@rbt: im tempted ro say Oliver solos. Am I exagerating?.TBH neither Clint or Natasha seemed impressive to me

I mean, Oliver's feats are significantly better than Nat and Clint's, so I don't see why.

Clint can be pretty dangerous with his gear though.

@rbt: yeah Clint gear is to op, that feat from his explosive arrows in the avengers (2012) was pretty impressive But in h2h neither of them are impressive from my perspective Oliver should win the h2h round with almost no difficulty

Oliver was taking on Bronze Tiger, Brick and Stardust at the same time while ambushed and was making them hit each other. They have a shot in the gear round but the h2h round is a definite win for Oliver.

Team 1.

@rbt: basically Oliver has a better probability of winning both rounds

Btw did stardust still have the drug that made him feel no pain in prison? Or he was cured after he was captured ? I don’t remember very well tbh. If he was not cured definitely fighting him alongside brick and tiger is a great feat for Oliver

@mexcomics2078: There is a scene where he screams when Oliver breaks his arm, but there is also a scene where Oliver breaks his arm and he doesn't blink. So, make of that what you will. I personally don't think he was cured. They would have dropped that info somewhere if he was.

@rbt: i need to rewatch his fight against Oliver on season 5 to get to a personal conclussion

Btw thanks for answering my doubts

No worries.

Yeah Oliver still solos.

Team 1. Oliver beats Natasha and Clint beats Diggle. Then Oliver beats Clint.

Diggle beats Clint, Oliver beats Nat

Well Diggle is bordering a non-factor. The Widow and the Hawk win any Tuesday.

Lool no. Diggle beats either Nat ( via superior stats ) and Ollie surpasses Clint in every category

Sure.

Ahh sorry I forgot u makes that kind of comments to trigger for fun Arrow fans.

My bad sorry ?

Team 1

@davidharewood14:

Lool no. Diggle beats either Nat ( via superior stats ) and Ollie surpasses Clint in every category

What puts Diggle above Nat? What superior stats are you referring to?

Diggle goes out fast in this fight, resulting in a 2v1 that Oliver can't handle.

@davidharewood14: Clint fans don't understand he doesn't have any h2h feats and he isn't really featwise skilled to beat John or Oliver. Nat stalemates John i think, Oliver beats Clint quickly then Nat will be overhelmed

@davidharewood14: While he out strengths Widow, durability is debatable. Diggle has never shown martial arts to her degree. And with standard gear Diggle doesn't have the defenses for her weapons.

People underestimate Clint's h2h abilities and his strength. Not to mention his archery is comparable to Oliver's.

Nat is above John Diggle with skills but not that much and Clint has too less feats