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#51 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm going to give it to Lvenger. He effectively demonstrated Silver Surfer's energy manipulation. Looking at the Source Wall manipulation feat it shows Henshaw controlling the giant constructs not the energy itself.

#52 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (2074 posts) - - Show Bio

Expertly debated on both sides. very very close but I think I'm going to give my vote to Lvenger.

#53 Posted by ComicStooge (13790 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@comicstooge: An excellent reply mate! Sorry for replying so late, I've been out volunteering at a manor house today so I was back late. In any case, I agree with the sentiment and shall now edit the thread to indicate that voting is open along with bringing in some voters. This was an excellent debate that I thoroughly enjoyed participating in. Best of luck to you in the votes!

I had an awesome time too, dude. Good luck to you, as well!

#54 Edited by NeonGameWave (8515 posts) - - Show Bio

This was amazing!! Both of you did an astounding job and I feel as though it might as well be a stalemate just based on how good the both of you did within the representation of your characters, but although this was extremely hard to decide my vote goes to @lvenger.

#55 Posted by BullPR (1481 posts) - - Show Bio

After a first quick look, no clear winner. I have to read it again, in detail.

(I assumed at the beginning that it was a mismatch in favor of SS.Obviously I was wrong)

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#56 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

Just read through the entire debate. First off, props to both of you @comicstooge @lvenger for delivering one of the best CaVs we've seen on these boards in a while. I've been keeping track of this one from the start, and seeing the two of you go back and forth was nothing short of fun. You two should be proud, especially with the standard of politeness you two kept even when debating; it reminds me of how veterans refer to the Battles boards as being more of learning about characters, rather than just winning arguments.

But as for who wins, I'm going to have to go with @lvenger. I thought that ComicStooge started out really strong with Cyborg Superman, putting up a feasible argument for how he could win, and all those scans he threw in the middle really swayed my opinion onto CSuperman's side. But then Lvenger came back towards the end with some really solid rebuttals on those scans, as well as emphasizing Surfer's advantages. In the end, CS' counterarguments didn't quite win me over.

But still, as I said before, really good job on both sides.

#57 Edited by Lvenger (21066 posts) - - Show Bio

So far, the votes are 2 for stalemate and 4 votes in my favour. Hopefully, some voters will recognise the intuitive awesomeness of my opponent's arguments.

#58 Posted by BullPR (1481 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, I'm not familiar with the rules.

How do I vote if I found that @comicstooge arguments were as good as @lvenger ones but that he didn't convince me that SS would lose a majority of the battles (but I'm totally biased here, I knew all SS feats already and very very few of Cyborg's one).

I believe that it should be a vote only on the quality of the debaters, no?

In that case, I would vote stalemate.

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#59 Posted by Lvenger (21066 posts) - - Show Bio

@bullpr: The only 'rule' is to vote for who you thought was the better debater in the debate and if you think it's a stalemate, well that's the right answer.

#60 Edited by ComicStooge (13790 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark said:

Just read through the entire debate. First off, props to both of you @comicstooge @lvenger for delivering one of the best CaVs we've seen on these boards in a while. I've been keeping track of this one from the start, and seeing the two of you go back and forth was nothing short of fun. You two should be proud, especially with the standard of politeness you two kept even when debating; it reminds me of how veterans refer to the Battles boards as being more of learning about characters, rather than just winning arguments.

But as for who wins, I'm going to have to go with @lvenger. I thought that ComicStooge started out really strong with Cyborg Superman, putting up a feasible argument for how he could win, and all those scans he threw in the middle really swayed my opinion onto CSuperman's side. But then Lvenger came back towards the end with some really solid rebuttals on those scans, as well as emphasizing Surfer's advantages. In the end, CS' counterarguments didn't quite win me over.

But still, as I said before, really good job on both sides.

Thanks. :)

@lvenger: You think we've waited long enough to declare you the victor?

#61 Posted by Lvenger (21066 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: Um, I guess? The votes are unfairly positioned on my side so on that basis, I guess I am the victor. Though it was a terrific debate man and you put up a helluva good argument that was difficult to counter. The scores don't fully reflect how close our debate was.

#62 Edited by ComicStooge (13790 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@comicstooge: Um, I guess? The votes are unfairly positioned on my side so on that basis, I guess I am the victor. Though it was a terrific debate man and you put up a helluva good argument that was difficult to counter. The scores don't fully reflect how close our debate was.

Thanks man, I thought it was pretty close to.

I'll try and even out our win/loss ratio in the Kraven vs Captain America match. >:)