Black Widow vs Talia Al Ghul

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Black Widow

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Talia Al Ghul

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  • Round 1:: H2H
  • Round 2:: Standard gear
  • Round 3:: Both know there opponents and have 1 day prep
  • Both are under the impression that the other is out to kill them  
Who wins and why?
Please use logic and reasoning
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#2  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator

What feats does Talia have?

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#3  Edited By Decoy Elite

@Vance Astro said:

What feats does Talia have?

She screwed the bat!

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#4  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator

@Decoy Elite said:

@Vance Astro said:

What feats does Talia have?

She screwed the bat!

And the Todd.

And the Baner.

And the random slave guy.

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#5  Edited By RainEffect
@Morpheus_ said:

@Decoy Elite said:

@Vance Astro said:

What feats does Talia have?

She screwed the bat!

And the Todd.

And the Baner.

And the random slave guy.

She was suffering from post traumatic stress after being tortured, killed and then revived repeatedly by Nyssa.
 
She never screwed Bane. 
 
What are you talking about?
 
Alsoooo....
 

Spite!

 
Black Widow would stomp Talia. And that's coming from Talia Fanatic #1.
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#6  Edited By ReVamp

@RainEffect said:

@Morpheus_ said:

@Decoy Elite said:

@Vance Astro said:

What feats does Talia have?

She screwed the bat!

And the Todd.

And the Baner.

And the random slave guy.

She was suffering from post traumatic stress after being tortured, killed and then revived repeatedly by Nyssa.

She never screwed Bane.

What are you talking about?

Alsoooo....

Spite!

Black Widow would stomp Talia.

OMG. What have you done with the real Rainy?

Also, a spite thread about Talia with Rain effect as the last poster warrants and insta-view from ReVamp.

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#7  Edited By Decoy Elite

@Morpheus_ said:

@Decoy Elite said:

@Vance Astro said:

What feats does Talia have?

She screwed the bat!

And the Todd.

And the Baner.

And the random slave guy.

Well we know one area where she might have Widow beat.

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#8  Edited By RainEffect
@ReVamp said:

@RainEffect said:

She was suffering from post traumatic stress after being tortured, killed and then revived repeatedly by Nyssa.

She never screwed Bane.

What are you talking about?

Alsoooo....

Spite!

Black Widow would stomp Talia.

OMG. What have you done with the real Rainy?

Also, a spite thread about Talia with Rain effect as the last poster warrants and insta-view from ReVamp.

LOL. It literally hurt my soul to have to type the words, but Black Widow is far out of Talia's league. 
 
But I edited my original post just to ensure people knew it was still me. xD
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#9  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator

@RainEffect said:

She never screwed Bane.

Bane must had accidentally found himself in her bedroom while she was half naked after they kissed when he saved her from the giant snake during Bane of the Demon, I guess.

She was suffering from post traumatic stress after being tortured, killed and then revived repeatedly by Nyssa.

LOL, alright, yeah.

What are you talking about?

Ask entropy for the scan, it's hilarious.

Also, you know this was a joke, yes?

By the way, there was an insinutation that she also had sex with Jean-Paul Valley but I don't want you going off on a tangent here. And Natasha has had just as many (albeit, with the exception of Batman on Talia's part, considerably more illustrious) sexual partners.

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#10  Edited By god_spawn  Moderator

@Morpheus_ said:

@Decoy Elite said:

@Vance Astro said:

What feats does Talia have?

She screwed the bat!

And the Todd.

And the Baner.

And the random slave guy.

Off topic: Bane too and fodder? Damn she's really been around.

On topic: And broke a chair over Shiva's head.

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#11  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator

In seriousness and back on topic, beating Scandal Savage is the only feat I recall from Talia. Even though Scandal is largely featless herself.

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#12  Edited By Billy Batson

Black Widow
BB

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#13  Edited By Mercy_

@god_spawn said:

On topic: And broke a chair over Shiva's head.

We don't speak of this. Ever.

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#14  Edited By super_psycho

Talia haters are more annoying than raindrops

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#15  Edited By Decoy Elite

@super_psycho said:

Talia haters are more annoying than raindrops

Man, hatin' is certainly what I was doing. Not joking around at all. :P

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#16  Edited By Erik

@super_psycho said:

Talia haters are more annoying than raindrops

Nothing is more annoying than Raindrops. Not Jean Grey fanboys, Batman fanboys or even k4tz all rolled into one are more annoying than Raindrops.

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#17  Edited By super_psycho

@Erik: perhaps you are right

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#18  Edited By Matezoide2
@Erik said:

@super_psycho said:

Talia haters are more annoying than raindrops

Nothing is more annoying than Raindrops. Not Jean Grey fanboys, Batman fanboys or even k4tz all rolled into one are more annoying than Raindrops.

What if you throw Storm and Dragon Ball Z threads in the mix?
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#19  Edited By god_spawn  Moderator

@The Dark Huntress: Too late already did. Woop woop woop woop woop

*Exits thread*

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#20  Edited By Erik

@Matezoide said:

@Erik said:

@super_psycho said:

Talia haters are more annoying than raindrops

Nothing is more annoying than Raindrops. Not Jean Grey fanboys, Batman fanboys or even k4tz all rolled into one are more annoying than Raindrops.

What if you throw Storm and Dragon Ball Z threads in the mix?

That is a threat to the multiverse.

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#21  Edited By Mercy_

@Erik said:

@Matezoide said:

@Erik said:

@super_psycho said:

Talia haters are more annoying than raindrops

Nothing is more annoying than Raindrops. Not Jean Grey fanboys, Batman fanboys or even k4tz all rolled into one are more annoying than Raindrops.

What if you throw Storm and Dragon Ball Z threads in the mix?

That is a threat to the multiverse.

More like the omniverse...something that potent has the potential to come across to the real world O_O

@god_spawn: You're dead to me.

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#22  Edited By Erik

@The Dark Huntress:

Lol.

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#23  Edited By RainEffect
@Morpheus_ said:

@RainEffect said:

She never screwed Bane.

Bane must had accidentally found himself in her bedroom while she was half naked after they kissed when he saved her from the giant snake during Bane of the Demon, I guess.


It was never stated that it occurred, because, as I recall, Talia slapped the crap out of him for forcing himself on her. Then Ra's kicked him out for being a failure in comparison to Batman. 
 
Anyways, we digress. 
 
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@Erik: perhaps you are right

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#24  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator

@RainEffect said:

@Morpheus_ said:

@RainEffect said:

She never screwed Bane.

Bane must had accidentally found himself in her bedroom while she was half naked after they kissed when he saved her from the giant snake during Bane of the Demon, I guess.

It was never stated that it occurred, because, as I recall, Talia slapped the crap out of him for forcing himself on her. Then Ra's kicked him out for being a failure in comparison to Batman.

Anyways, we digress.

Actually, no, she didn't slap him at all in that instance I refer to. After initially throwing a temper tantrum about how he shouldn't have seen her dressed in that manner, he forces himself onto her but she reciprocates his kiss and even has her arm around his neck as they kiss. In the very same page and with some time elapsing, we see Talia flexing up in bed with her robe half open while Bane is in her bedroom. Unless we want a sign, "they had sex", the evidence points to the fact that they did.

And Ra's actually accepted Bane as a rightful heir at the end of the same story, he only relinquished him out due to pinning him his own failure in Legacy, but that had nothing to do with Talia and everything to do with his own ego.

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#25  Edited By RainEffect
@Morpheus_: Taking this to PMs, because I MUST be confusing two instances.
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#26  Edited By entropy_aegis

@Vance Astro said:

What feats does Talia have?

Stalemated Black Canary,and beat Scandal Savage.Other than that she has destroyed members of the LOA.That's all I have on her.@Morpheus_ said:

@RainEffect said:

She never screwed Bane.

Bane must had accidentally found himself in her bedroom while she was half naked after they kissed when he saved her from the giant snake during Bane of the Demon, I guess.

She was suffering from post traumatic stress after being tortured, killed and then revived repeatedly by Nyssa.

LOL, alright, yeah.

What are you talking about?

Ask entropy for the scan, it's hilarious.

Also, you know this was a joke, yes?

By the way, there was an insinutation that she also had sex with Jean-Paul Valley but I don't want you going off on a tangent here. And Natasha has had just as many (albeit, with the exception of Batman on Talia's part, considerably more illustrious) sexual partners.

That slave thing was just...Can't believe she dumped Bane to sleep with him.

R1:I can see a case being made for Talia based on the Black Canary fight.

R2:Widow easily.

R3:This is more like SHIELD and Avengers vs LOA and the Secret Society.

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#27  Edited By Dex_Starr

I'm not saying who wins, but can someone seriously list some feats for Widow?

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#28  Edited By Erik

@Morpheus_ said:

Unless we want a sign, "they had sex", the evidence points to the fact that they did.

I would prefer a sign. In neon cursive if at all possible.

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#29  Edited By RainEffect
@Dex_Starr said:

I'm not saying who wins, but can someone seriously list some feats for Widow?

1. Stalemated Elektra after coming out of surgery for potentially lethal wounds
2. Fought Wolverine to a standstill
 
They're just some off the top of my head, I'm sure other people can list a fair amount.
 
@entropy_aegis said:

@Vance Astro said:

What feats does Talia have?

Stalemated Black Canary,and beat Scandal Savage.Other than that she has destroyed members of the LOA.That's all I have on her.

*Hides in shame that he was completely unaware of her beating SS and stalemating BC *
 
But seriously, when did that happen? I'm guessing Villains United? That's one of the more major Talia appearances I haven't read.
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#30  Edited By Saren

@RainEffect said:

@Dex_Starr said:

I'm not saying who wins, but can someone seriously list some feats for Widow?

1. Stalemated Elektra after coming out of surgery for potentially lethal wounds
2. Fought Wolverine to a standstill

They're just some off the top of my head, I'm sure other people can list a fair amount.

@entropy_aegis said:

@Vance Astro said:

What feats does Talia have?

Stalemated Black Canary,and beat Scandal Savage.Other than that she has destroyed members of the LOA.That's all I have on her.

*Hides in shame that he was completely unaware of her beating SS and stalemating BC * But seriously, when did that happen? I'm guessing Villains United? That's one of the more major Talia appearances I haven't read.

The Black Canary fight was in Birds of Prey, the Scandal fight was in Villains United.

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#31  Edited By Saren

Although I don't know whether that fight with Scandal was a victory for Talia.....all she did was push Scandal down and then get KO'd by Knockout.

.....see what I did there?

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#32  Edited By RainEffect
@CitizenBane: What issue was the Birds of Prey incident, if you don't mind? I'm interested in reading that.
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#33  Edited By entropy_aegis

@RainEffect said:

@CitizenBane: What issue was the Birds of Prey incident, if you don't mind? I'm interested in reading that.

Birds of Prey v1 somewhere between 45-50.It was just before Gail Simone took over,and Talia did'nt win.She gave a good fight.

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@entropy_aegis said:

@RainEffect said:

@CitizenBane: What issue was the Birds of Prey incident, if you don't mind? I'm interested in reading that.

Birds of Prey v1 somewhere between 45-50.It was just before Gail Simone took over,and Talia did'nt win.She gave a good fight.

PIS!

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Natasha curbstomps every round

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#36  Edited By Dex_Starr

@RainEffect said:

@Dex_Starr said:

I'm not saying who wins, but can someone seriously list some feats for Widow?

1. Stalemated Elektra after coming out of surgery for potentially lethal wounds
2. Fought Wolverine to a standstill

They're just some off the top of my head, I'm sure other people can list a fair amount.

1. Elektra is a mediocre fighter, Hercules recently beat her in a sword fight, she usually loses, stalemates or barely wins against B/C listers.

2. When? I'm very skeptical on this, I'd like to know the issue this happened in because I find it hard to believe that a chick that got stalemated by Diamondback and demolished by Daredevil could stalemate Wolverine in anything more then a friendly sparring match.

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#37  Edited By nightwing91

Yeah arguably Talia's best feat is matching Black Canary almost move for move until an outside source broke up the fight.To be accurate though this feat occurs before Canary begins her lessons from Shiva.

@entropy_aegis: @RainEffect: It was Birds of Prey 49.

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#38  Edited By RainEffect
@Dex_Starr said:

@RainEffect said:

@Dex_Starr said:

I'm not saying who wins, but can someone seriously list some feats for Widow?

1. Stalemated Elektra after coming out of surgery for potentially lethal wounds
2. Fought Wolverine to a standstill

They're just some off the top of my head, I'm sure other people can list a fair amount.

1. Elektra is a mediocre fighter, Hercules recently beat her in a sword fight, she usually loses, stalemates or barely wins against B/C listers.

2. When? I'm very skeptical on this, I'd like to know the issue this happened in because I find it hard to believe that a chick that got stalemated by Diamondback and demolished by Daredevil could stalemate Wolverine in anything more then a friendly sparring match.

Elektra's become the biggest jobber recently, I won't lie.
 
It was in Black Widow: Deadly Origin. Albeit, it occurred when she was much younger and Logan was in Russia. They were sparring, back when they first met and Natasha knew he was a spy.
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#39  Edited By super_psycho

@Morpheus_ said:

Actually, no, she didn't slap him at all in that instance I refer to. After initially throwing a temper tantrum about how he shouldn't have seen her dressed in that manner, he forces himself onto her but she reciprocates his kiss and even has her arm around his neck as they kiss. In the very same page and with some time elapsing, we see Talia flexing up in bed with her robe half open while Bane is in her bedroom. Unless we want a sign, "they had sex", the evidence points to the fact that they did.

And Ra's actually accepted Bane as a rightful heir at the end of the same story, he only relinquished him out due to pinning him his own failure in Legacy, but that had nothing to do with Talia and everything to do with his own ego.

You don't have to tell that to everyone and not with that kind of detail.. Lots of haters roaming around..

OMG you are one of them.

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  • Round 1:: H2H - Natalia beats. N52 and Post-Crisis Talia is practically the same thing (the difference here is that New 52 Talia is more villain than a neutral character, and Post Crisis Talia is more neutral than villain), that's why Natalia is again more flexible.
  • Round 2:: Standard gear - Talia beats. Katanas, shotguns and beauty makes her the best in this part. PLUS: Natalia is bisexual. Talia's beauty can make her be in love with her, and Talia could take that opportunity to kill Widow.
  • Round 3:: Both know there opponents and have 1 day prep - Talia kills her. Her unarmed and armed skills makes her better in my opinion.

Talia for the win...