Beyonder vs Thanos Gauntlet
Bump to finally answer on two questions:
Today someone made another DC vs. Marvel thread, that was locked of course. I personally think that Marvel has better chance ftw, because they have in each other universe 8 powerfull Abstracts (and few lesser ones), M'Kraan Crystal, Phoenix Avatar, Jim Jaspers, Clyde Wyncham, Galactus, something about 20 Proemial Gods and... Infinity Gauntlet and Beyonder. But can we really use them as a people/things that aren't unique for 616?
So what are the points? The point are:
1.I am sure that there is IG in each other universe that allowed people from it to take all power from their universes and came to battlefield not with IG as a weapon (because it doesn't work in other universes), but with anything that comes from their universes (for example with power of all stars and black holes, power off all living beings/souls, all of the psionic energy etc.). This power is enough too put in universal-buster league.
Prove that it isn't unique for 616:
2.Beyonder. Answer on how powerfull he is now will answer this thread. His retcon was or wasn't cancelled? What with his power level?
We know that Secret Wars happened from two diffrent comics. First is Illuminati #3 and second is Dark Reign: Fantastic Four #3(scan from it is below).
Thanks to the second comic we know that he also has alternate versions from other universes. Since we know that SW happened, can we say that he is de-retconed now? He for sure isn't CC anymore. But thanks to his big power he could just create other powerfull being or transform Cosmic Cube. We also know that even if Maker was Cosmic Cube, she wasn't as powerfull as CC were. She also didn't seem to be whole like she was pretend to be after Beyonder-Molecule Man fusion. We all know that his story is a bad writing, but to answer the prime question we should accept one of versions and say that the other one was just created by the second. So who created who? Maker created Mutant-Inhuman or Mutant-Inhuman created Maker? I personally think that more powerfull created less. And mutant-inhuman as a PR version, seems much more powerfull. Also thanks to other realities, we know that he was there and Cosmic Cube version probably couldn't be there because it came from "Beyonders Dimension". It shouldn't be a mistake if we will say that Beyonder just fooled Shaper and Kubik and made all this situation. Things that are proving that he is in his old level and that he is mutant-inhuman are:
a)Mutant-Inh could create Maker, when she shouldn't be able to create him
b)Two his last apperances seems to confirm it.
c)He has other versions and his current orgin is closer to his mutant-inhuman orgin.
Problem with it?
Problem is that, it will say that he is not only powerfull enough to fool Kubik, but also to fool Living Tribunal.
This is just a start of discussion. I would like to hear others opinion about this situation.
Ow, and If he is de-retconed, he should be able to win this battle. Only chance for IG will be absorb Beyonder's power thanks to Power Gem, but it don't seem to have such a big authority to do this.
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