Batman vs Joker (w/Super-Soldier Serum)

Joker has stolen the super soldier serum that buffed up CA now he has enjected himself. Batman with no weapons or gadgets just his batsuit vs Buffed up Joker. To death. H2H only. Joker Morals off and bloodlust. Batman morals on and not bloodlust. Takes place in the street.

Batman he is better at martial arts.

I'd say Joker would be a little better in all physical areas but would lose due to Batman being a master MA.

@Qpzmg said:

Batman he is better at martial arts.

@Qpzmg said:

Batman he is better at martial arts.

BUMP

Giving him the supersoldier serum will just delay the inevitable. Batman still stomps.

Joker is a world class street fighter, but Batman takes him even with the stat advantage. It would be interesting to see in a story though, Joker prepping himself out to specifically counter Batman's style Hugo Strange-style.

Yeah Bats wins. He did beat Joker with the Bane venom running through him in Arkham Asylum.

@Kyzuko said:

I'd say Joker would be a little better in all physical areas but would lose due to Batman being a master MA.

I kinda wanna say Joker. If he's as fast as Cap is then Batman's skills are irrelevant.

I will say Joker. Batman sometimes has issues with his unpredictable movements and vast agility. Considering that SSS turned Steve Rogers from a scrawny asthmatic kid into Captain America, it should turn a fast, deadly, unpredictable and savage opponent like Joker into a terror to behold.

I feel like Joker can take this.

@MonsterStomp said:

I feel like Joker can take this.

Batman, easily. I don't get why people think Joker with the SS can beat him. Especially in h2h if most people think Steve Rogers (if he does win) barely passes by in a fight with him despite a stat edge and vastly superior h2h skills than anything Joker has shown. So you want to put Bats with no morals especially against the joker despite a stat edge to a small degree?

@Fetts said:

I kinda wanna say Joker. If he's as fast as Cap is then Batman's skills are irrelevant.

I think you are really underestimating the importance of skill.

@god_spawn said:

Batman, easily. I don't get why people think Joker with the SS can beat him. Especially in h2h if most people think Steve Rogers (if he does win) barely passes by in a fight with him despite a stat edge and vastly superior h2h skills than anything Joker has shown. So you want to put Bats with no morals especially against the joker despite a stat edge to a small degree?

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@god_spawn said:

Batman, easily. I don't get why people think Joker with the SS can beat him. Especially in h2h if most people think Steve Rogers (if he does win) barely passes by in a fight with him despite a stat edge and vastly superior h2h skills than anything Joker has shown. So you want to put Bats with no morals especially against the joker despite a stat edge to a small degree?

I was gonna post something but it was going to look alot like this anyway.

changed the op.

@Fetts said:

I kinda wanna say Joker. If he's as fast as Cap is then Batman's skills are irrelevant.

I think you are really underestimating the importance of skill.

@Fetts said:

@jashro44 said:

@Fetts said:

I kinda wanna say Joker. If he's as fast as Cap is then Batman's skills are irrelevant.

I think you are really underestimating the importance of skill.

Oh? Why do you say that? If Joker is faster than Batman, then Batman shouldn't have a chance to utilize his skill. Take Batman vs Deathstroke. Who's more skilled? Batman. Who won? Deathstroke. Why? Deathstroke is faster. Let's do something a little more extreme. Who's more skilled: Flash or Iron Fist? Iron Fist. Who would win though? Flash. Why? Flash is faster.

Deathstroke is way more skilled then joker is though.....Yes deathstroke isn't as skilled as batman but he isn't that far behind either. I could also bring up the time batman stomped nightwing (nightwing has been stated to be faster than batman) without even getting touched except when he let it happen. Or the time nightwing beat Saiko who he even stated was faster than him as well. Or what about the time captain america without the super solider serum managed to beat 3 guys who all had the super solider serum in them while he was a skinny guy with cancer? Skill helps you better apply your speed and helps you time your movements better than your enemy which allows you to keep up with enemies faster than you.

@Fetts said:

@jashro44 said:

@Fetts said:

I kinda wanna say Joker. If he's as fast as Cap is then Batman's skills are irrelevant.

I think you are really underestimating the importance of skill.

Oh? Why do you say that? If Joker is faster than Batman, then Batman shouldn't have a chance to utilize his skill. Take Batman vs Deathstroke. Who's more skilled? Batman. Who won? Deathstroke. Why? Deathstroke is faster. Let's do something a little more extreme. Who's more skilled: Flash or Iron Fist? Iron Fist. Who would win though? Flash. Why? Flash is faster.

That only applies when the character is too fast for someone to even react, AKA blitzing. Deathstroke and Batman were still trading blows on even ground in their fight; I could argue strength and endurance is what let Deathstroke win, actually.

SSS makes Joker faster than Batman, but not at all too fast to fight with.

Joker has almost no skill. He loses here.

@Fetts said:

Oh? Why do you say that? If Joker is faster than Batman, then Batman shouldn't have a chance to utilize his skill. Take Batman vs Deathstroke. Who's more skilled? Batman. Who won? Deathstroke. Why? Deathstroke is faster. Let's do something a little more extreme. Who's more skilled: Flash or Iron Fist? Iron Fist. Who would win though? Flash. Why? Flash is faster.

So why didn't Flash beat Deathstroke?

I've seen it mentioned that Rogers' combat skills are as good as they are, despite relatively limited training, because of the SSS's enhancement of his mental faculties. If Joker gets the same boost, coupled with his physical superiority here and the difference in morality between the two characters, he should win.

@Qpzmg said:

Batman he is better at martial arts.

@Fetts said:

Oh? Why do you say that? If Joker is faster than Batman, then Batman shouldn't have a chance to utilize his skill. Take Batman vs Deathstroke. Who's more skilled? Batman. Who won? Deathstroke. Why? Deathstroke is faster. Let's do something a little more extreme. Who's more skilled: Flash or Iron Fist? Iron Fist. Who would win though? Flash. Why? Flash is faster.

So why didn't Flash beat Deathstroke?

@MonsterStomp said:

@Fetts said:

Oh? Why do you say that? If Joker is faster than Batman, then Batman shouldn't have a chance to utilize his skill. Take Batman vs Deathstroke. Who's more skilled? Batman. Who won? Deathstroke. Why? Deathstroke is faster. Let's do something a little more extreme. Who's more skilled: Flash or Iron Fist? Iron Fist. Who would win though? Flash. Why? Flash is faster.

So why didn't Flash beat Deathstroke?

I'm not siding with Joker, but come on, really? That was extreme PIS.

Batman should win. While Joker's stats will be enhanced above Batman's in this scenario, he's not so much greater than Batman that it'll give him too much of an advantage. Batman's greater skill will give him the win in the end.

Joker

Jokers stats have been enhanced multiple times even beyond that of the serum and Batman has still won.

You couldn't possibly think a scenario such as this has never come up before within the comics within the last 70+ odd years.

he doesn't have technique.

B-Man wins this

TECHNIQUE SQUIDWARD

Joker will always lose to Batman regardless of the scenario. He wants Batman to kill him so he can never win. He always loses to the Bat.

Still Batman, he is a better fighter and Joker's physical advantage wouldnt be that big.

Batman.

Batman

Well if end game is any comparison.....