- Post Crisis Onwards, Worthy Thor, Immortal Hulk, Current Strange, Standard versions for everyone else
- Battle on an Indestructible
- Bloodlusted
- Win by any means except bfr
Avengers vs Darkseid
@krleavenger: Without Classic feats what can Strange do.
@blackpantherisb: Neither was Strange stronger in classic days nor is he weaker in modern days. His showings did not suddenly become less impressive like with Superman and Kyle Rayner, and he did not lose some significant level of power in between classic and modern days. Classic Strange is basically equal to Modern Strange. There is nothing to say otherwise. In fact, there is no reason to exchange between classic and non classic. People should just say "Doctor Strange". I am not sure what the OP means by "current".
Where does current start?
@krleavenger: Current Strange has been slightly depowered since Aaron’s run no?
@krleavenger: Current Strange has been slightly depowered since Aaron’s run no?
op says standard versions for everyone other than thor and hulk . so is it right to take the current version of strange in this fight ?
Darkseid wipes out more than half the Team in seconds with his Omega Beams. Darkseid is above everyone else here left standing as well. Darkseid may have a brief scrap on his hands with those that remain, but I believe he wins out in the end. If Perfect Teamwork was on, and Darkseid wasn't blood-lusted I could see the Team standing a better chance here.
@rockette: True. Blood lusted Darkseid would just spam omega beams. Pretty much everyone here gets killed except Vision if he can phase fast enough and Strange with his auto shields.
@theincrediblesuperhulk8642 said:
: Current Strange has been slightly depowered since Aaron’s run no?
No.
He's gotten stronger since Waid's run, who's the current writer of the series.
@krleavenger: Oh, I always thought that Classic and Current Strange were somehow different. In that case Strange solo stomps, dude was a legit skyfather.
@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: That honestly depends on what the OP means by "current". Yes, Strange was weakened during ANADMU, then became God of Magic or something, but then his powers returned to normal.
@blackpantherisb: The misconception comes from multiple youtube videos stating that Doctor Strange suddenly became less powerful. Like Pre-Retcon and Post-Retcon Beyonder of sorts. Which just not the case. I think the misconception comes from the fact that Strange does not have impressive feats in Modern Age. While that is true, that is just because he did not have his own series. His appearances consisted of guest appearances.
While Kyle Rayner and Superman are not weakened, their showing is absurdly less impressive as well, but the reason why Strange is a different case, is because unlike the former 2, he does not fail to preform as impressive feats. He just was not doing as impressive stuff. He was barely fighting. So there is the difference. And even then, he preformed several spell feats that are quite impressive, and rival his classic showings, if not surpass them.
They just seem less impressive because they are not combat related. I think another misconception comes from Strange's extremely poor performance in a lot of modern issues, but that is the case because he did not have Sorcerer Supreme status for like 5-6 years, and his appearances in 2000s mostly consist of his depowered version. He was weaker, since Sorcerer Supreme is not just the title. In other words, there is no reason to distinguish the two aside from limiting Strange's feats, which is pointless. He should only be separated to "Sorcerer Supreme" or "non Sorcerer Supreme".
And I guess few amps, additional amps, artifacts, Zom empowerment and what not. But not classic or modern.
dude was a legit skyfather.
Unless you mean low Skyfather, I wouldn't go that far. It was pretty clear he is below top tier Skyfathers like Odin. He was more like low Hell-Lord. Now he is more impressive, but I would still say below Odin, noticeably.
Team. Wanda had with Stephen, hulks strength and Regen couped with Thors power and abilities shout be enough though most of the team would fall first
@alphaelli: Haven’t read Waid’s run yet but that’s good to know, thanks for clarifying
@krleavenger: You’re right, hopefully the op clears it up cuz it is a bit ambiguous
Strange, Wanda, Hulk and Thor are legitimately Marvel’s Elite (barring Surfer) add into the mix mid-high tiers like She Hulk, Captain Marvel, Iron Man and Vision puts it squarely in their favour.
Darkseid ain’t taking em all down.
The Avengers win. Doctor Strange can deal with Darkseid, specially if he has the help of Scarlet Witch, Thor and Hulk. Most of the team gets stomped with ease, though.
Just a question. Who here can react or has an automatic defense to the Omega Beams?
Scarlet Witch and Doctor Strange are probably the most important factors here so I’m more concerned with them. Everyone below Thor gets one shotted from what I know. And Darkseid can tag intangible beings so Vision would meet the same fate.
So essentially it’s just Immortal Hulk Thor Scarlet Witch and Strange with some distractions here and there.
@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: Nah, he's the only heavy hitter hero under Aaron who hasn't been nerfed besides maybe She-Hulk.
OT: SW, Strange, IH and Thor are the only ones left standing. If they bombard him while the rest get one-shot by omega beams, they wins. Thor and Hulk together are definitely capable of contending with him in physicals, and Wanda and Strange have the hax to massively help. Everyone else is basically fodder, though.
Bloodlusted Darkseid would stomp them before they could do anything. The Avengers are massively slower than the Justice League.
The only hope for the Avengers is Strange's auto shields. He could survive an initial attack, but I'm not sure if he can stop a bloodlusted Darkseid.
Depends on how far strange is willing to go cause if he delves in to dark arts then you have monster beyond even darkseid. And wanda is able to fight the phoneix force
Darkseid is not a pushover...he's a God! I'm going with him
Him being a god didn't prevent him from getting his ass handed to him by the League few times.
Darkseid is not a pushover...he's a God! I'm going with him
Him being a god didn't prevent him from getting his ass handed to him by the League few times.
I knew someone was going to say that! but imo The League are better than The Avengers
Darkseid is not a pushover...he's a God! I'm going with him
Him being a god didn't prevent him from getting his ass handed to him by the League few times.
I knew someone was going to say that! but imo The League are better than The Avengers
Better as in more powerful/stronger, lol? Then I would disagree if we're talking about this roster.
Bloodlusted Wanda can solo, if we're being honest.
I was wondering when someone would mention this. That is if she can go HOM during this fight. Team can win this with Wanda and Strange as MVP.
Strange solos. You can argue for Hulk/Thor duo soloing, tho I don't think they will.
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