@dogsrus: plus if we're talking numbers mihawks ice berg slash is superior to edo Madara's perfect susanno slash and that got deflected by Jozu (And Vista in the anime) both of whom are weaker than akanui.
Akanui also has a huge stamina advantage as his logia powers don't run off a depletable energy reserve like chakra or his own haki which is why he can spam it for 10 days straight going all out In contrast to Madara lasting a day by feats and 3 days by scaling.
@dogsrus: plus if we're talking numbers mihawks ice berg slash is superior to edo Madara's perfect susanno slash and that got deflected by Jozu (And Vista in the anime) both of whom are weaker than akanui. that is due to narutos art style not power level
Akanui also has a huge stamina advantage as his logia powers don't run off a depletable energy reserve like chakra or his own haki which is why he can spam it for 10 days straight going all out In contrast to Madara lasting a day by feats and 3 days by scaling.
yes stamina sure but madara should win before that for starters madaras gunbai fan can reflect his lava attacks back at him using uchiha reflection then madara susanoo can destroy him and if madara dies he can use izanagi to comeback to life and for power madara in ems had more power than edo hashirama based on what edo hashirama states edo hashirama is multicontinental plus based on him saying he had more chakra than bijuu mode naruto
@dogsrus: plus if we're talking numbers mihawks ice berg slash is superior to edo Madara's perfect susanno slash and that got deflected by Jozu (And Vista in the anime) both of whom are weaker than akanui. that is due to narutos art style not power level
Art style has nothing to do with feats.
Akanui also has a huge stamina advantage as his logia powers don't run off a depletable energy reserve like chakra or his own haki which is why he can spam it for 10 days straight going all out In contrast to Madara lasting a day by feats and 3 days by scaling.
yes stamina sure but madara should win before that for starters madaras gunbai fan can reflect his lava attacks back at him using uchiha reflection
Thats only stated to reflect chakra based attacks. Meaning it would reflect his ryuo but have no effect on his devil fruit attacks.
then madara susanoo can destroy him
Did you miss my first post? Akanui has comparable if not superior AP and strength to the susanno he's not getting stomped.
and if madara dies he can use izanagi to comeback to life
That is a huge advantage especially since you seemingly keep the chakra you had upon dying.
and for power madara in ems had more power than edo hashirama based on what edo hashirama states edo hashirama is multi continental
Hashirama is multi continental with the shinju senju which Madara does remotely scale too. Hashirama himself isn't even country and Madara beat him via chakra rods and draining him.
plus based on him saying he had more chakra than bijuu mode naruto
Hashirama has more chakra than BM Naruto. Madara is debatable as all we know is he has less than hashirama.
@dogsrus: plus if we're talking numbers mihawks ice berg slash is superior to edo Madara's perfect susanno slash and that got deflected by Jozu (And Vista in the anime) both of whom are weaker than akanui. that is due to narutos art style not power level
Art style has nothing to do with feats.
it does since the kage are all capable of doing much more but Mihawks uses special shockwaves that's why they are green instead of being normal colored
Akanui also has a huge stamina advantage as his logia powers don't run off a depletable energy reserve like chakra or his own haki which is why he can spam it for 10 days straight going all out In contrast to Madara lasting a day by feats and 3 days by scaling.
yes stamina sure but madara should win before that for starters madaras gunbai fan can reflect his lava attacks back at him using uchiha reflection
Thats only stated to reflect chakra based attacks. Meaning it would reflect his ryuo but have no effect on his devil fruit attacks.
no it turns any attack into wind and can reflect it back attacs like guys kick it absorbs the kinetic energy of it
then madara susanoo can destroy him
Did you miss my first post? Akanui has comparable if not superior AP and strength to the susanno he's not getting stomped.
he does not have comparable ap to perfect susanoo
and if madara dies he can use izanagi to comeback to life
That is a huge advantage especially since you seemingly keep the chakra you had upon dying.
and for power madara in ems had more power than edo hashirama based on what edo hashirama states edo hashirama is multi continental
Hashirama is multi continental with the shinju senju which Madara does remotely scale too. Hashirama himself isn't even country and Madara beat him via chakra rods and draining him. and that isnt true either 9 tails is multicontinental and the wooden golem could fight evenly with the 9 tails shinseusenjuu is way more powerful than ninetails as shown with this
no after madara absorbs hsi sage chakra hashirama states that he is getting close to his ems power level
plus based on him saying he had more chakra than bijuu mode naruto
Hashirama has more chakra than BM Naruto. Madara is debatable as all we know is he has less than hashirama. he does since after madara absorbs his chakkra including his sage chakra hashirama states that he is getting close to his ems level
@ecoblitz: lava cant burn through chakra first of all second of all madaras mangeyou sharingan ability is to see the exact future in one eye and to reverse time in the other then pair that with izanagi he is quit inbeatable even if you include the fact that madara is multicontinental in ems and akainu is continental plus
Genjutsu could be a problem, but Akainu should have a massive speed and strength advantage. Madara's only chance to compete is his perfect susanoo, but he probably won't taga Akainu.
@alextheboss: he can if you scale him in ems he is ftl+ around the same speed as akaiunu plus he can see the literal future with his mangekou and reverse time not to mention izanagi which would bring him back if he died and the power difference is actually in favor of madara according to hashirama madara alive was more than twice as powerful as edo hashirama which puts him in jubito tier of power
@ecoblitz: lava cant burn through chakra first of all
happened with KCM in canon and The ribcage susanno in the movie. I think you meant he can't burn the chakra.
second of all madaras mangeyou sharingan ability is to see the exact future in one eye and to reverse time in the other then pair that with izanagi he is quit inbeatable
got beat by hashirama TWICE.
even if you include the fact that madara is multicontinental in ems and akainu is continental plus
Not touching that one since there's arguments for both
@dogsrus: plus if we're talking numbers mihawks ice berg slash is superior to edo Madara's perfect susanno slash and that got deflected by Jozu (And Vista in the anime) both of whom are weaker than akanui. that is due to narutos art style not power level
Art style has nothing to do with feats.
it does since the kage are all capable of doing much more but Mihawks uses special shockwaves that's why they are green instead of being normal colored
Akanui also has a huge stamina advantage as his logia powers don't run off a depletable energy reserve like chakra or his own haki which is why he can spam it for 10 days straight going all out In contrast to Madara lasting a day by feats and 3 days by scaling.
myes stamina sure but madara should win before that for starters madaras gunbai fan can reflect his lava attacks back at him using uchiha reflection
Thats only stated to reflect chakra based attacks. Meaning it would reflect his ryuo but have no effect on his devil fruit attacks.
no it turns any attack into wind and can reflect it back attacs like guys kick it absorbs the kinetic energy of it
then madara susanoo can destroy him
Did you miss my first post? Akanui has comparable if not superior AP and strength to the susanno he's not getting stomped.
he does not have comparable ap to perfect susanoo
and if madara dies he can use izanagi to comeback to life
That is a huge advantage especially since you seemingly keep the chakra you had upon dying.
and for power madara in ems had more power than edo hashirama based on what edo hashirama states edo hashirama is multi continental
Hashirama is multi continental with the shinju senju which Madara does remotely scale too. Hashirama himself isn't even country and Madara beat him via chakra rods and draining him. and that isnt true either 9 tails is multicontinental and the wooden golem could fight evenly with the 9 tails shinseusenjuu is way more powerful than ninetails as shown with this
no after madara absorbs hsi sage chakra hashirama states that he is getting close to his ems power level
plus based on him saying he had more chakra than bijuu mode naruto
Hashirama has more chakra than BM Naruto. Madara is debatable as all we know is he has less than hashirama. he does since after madara absorbs his chakkra including his sage chakra hashirama states that he is getting close to his ems level
Art style doesn't change FEATS. The slash being green was to show he was actually trying. And the ice cut that was calculated WASN'T colored.
Madara never reflected Guys kick or hashirama's sword swing. It's jutsu only.
He does by feats and scaling. Hashirama has it with the shinju senju but as you pointed out Madara doesn't scale to it at all.
9 tails isn't multi continental unless you use the data book statement and akanui does have higher scaling metas putting him in the multi continental moon ranges so yeah he's comparable to the susanno.
Yeah that was edo hashirama who'd expended most of his chakra to the point he had to re enter sage mode. And again we know for a fact hashirama had more chakra when both were alive which is why it's debatable.
@dogsrus: plus if we're talking numbers mihawks ice berg slash is superior to edo Madara's perfect susanno slash and that got deflected by Jozu (And Vista in the anime) both of whom are weaker than akanui. that is due to narutos art style not power level
Art style has nothing to do with feats.
it does since the kage are all capable of doing much more but Mihawks uses special shockwaves that's why they are green instead of being normal colored
Akanui also has a huge stamina advantage as his logia powers don't run off a depletable energy reserve like chakra or his own haki which is why he can spam it for 10 days straight going all out In contrast to Madara lasting a day by feats and 3 days by scaling.
myes stamina sure but madara should win before that for starters madaras gunbai fan can reflect his lava attacks back at him using uchiha reflection
Thats only stated to reflect chakra based attacks. Meaning it would reflect his ryuo but have no effect on his devil fruit attacks.
no it turns any attack into wind and can reflect it back attacs like guys kick it absorbs the kinetic energy of it
then madara susanoo can destroy him
Did you miss my first post? Akanui has comparable if not superior AP and strength to the susanno he's not getting stomped.
he does not have comparable ap to perfect susanoo
and if madara dies he can use izanagi to comeback to life
That is a huge advantage especially since you seemingly keep the chakra you had upon dying.
and for power madara in ems had more power than edo hashirama based on what edo hashirama states edo hashirama is multi continental
Hashirama is multi continental with the shinju senju which Madara does remotely scale too. Hashirama himself isn't even country and Madara beat him via chakra rods and draining him. and that isnt true either 9 tails is multicontinental and the wooden golem could fight evenly with the 9 tails shinseusenjuu is way more powerful than ninetails as shown with this
no after madara absorbs hsi sage chakra hashirama states that he is getting close to his ems power level
plus based on him saying he had more chakra than bijuu mode naruto
Hashirama has more chakra than BM Naruto. Madara is debatable as all we know is he has less than hashirama. he does since after madara absorbs his chakkra including his sage chakra hashirama states that he is getting close to his ems level
Art style doesn't change FEATS. The slash being green was to show he was actually trying. And the ice cut that was calculated WASN'T colored.
Madara never reflected Guys kick or hashirama's sword swing. It's jutsu only. no obito absorbed the kinetic energy of guys kicks using gunbai fan he didnt reflect them but he absorbed them
He does by feats and scaling. Hashirama has it with the shinju senju but as you pointed out Madara doesn't scale to it at all. he does he was seen as more powerful than the 9 tails
9 tails isn't multi continental unless you use the data book statement and akanui does have higher scaling metas putting him in the multi continental moon ranges so yeah he's comparable to the susanno. no using statements 9 tails is planetary databook states that half of ninetails can turn the world to ash meaning completely destroy the world and then it gets several other planetary statements
Yeah that was edo hashirama who'd expended most of his chakra to the point he had to re enter sage mode. And again we know for a fact hashirama had more chakra when both were alive which is why it's debatable. again edos dont lose chakra they have infinite chakra so what are you saying edo hashirama says he has more chakra than ninetails then madara absorbs edo hashiramas power then hashirama states that he is getting close to his ems level couldnt be any clearer
@dogsrus: Nope. Data book confirms it works by converting opposing chakra into wind chakra. Useless against his lava powers.
Turn the world to ash is multi continental at best (surface wiping) and we know it's not valid as the ten tails 2nd form is where planet level Naruto starts at a minimum.
Their chakra is infinite in that it infinitely replenishes. They can still run low or out which is directly pointed out on panel with Mu and Minato.
OT- Either way but leaning towards akanui for his better stamina and durability.
Madara wins this. Besides Genjutsu we also have confirmation from Hashirama that Edo Madara was weaker than his Alive version. And Edo Madara's PS is already strong enough to decimate Akainu, if you haven't forgotten he fought SM Hashirama's Golem on equal ground.
He also scaled above 50% Kurama who can casually release 5x+ mountain vaping attack and can survive Juubi's laser with moderate damage.
@dogsrus:
You are making it impossible to navigate the thread. Don't use quotes like that.
and akanui is superior to jozu who deflected mihawks ice Splitting slash and can match white beards Quake attacks.
1. Madara's slash is better than Mihawk's slash for a simple reason that he destroyed far more matter than Mihawk. If you don't forget Madara also busted a meteor, then cut moutains.
2. How do those quake attacks that Akainu matched compare to 50% Kurama or Madara's slashes?
@greythejiren: last I checked Hawkeye's feat was superior do the amount effected and kuzan's ice being stronger than steel. And that was Jozu and Vista both of whom are weaker than akanui. Madara dropping that meteor is crazy though he explicitly didn't tank the impact.
Their calcs and scaling put them in the country/Continental tier without generous high balling or using anime only additional feats so superior. HOWEVER that was edo Madara's susanno. Alive can tank biju bombs from 100% kurama without a scratch so I'd say about even maybe a slight edge to Madara.
The main thing akanui has going for him(other than stamina) is that that's all him. Madara needs his susanno to compete, he himself is significantly weaker and less durable. If akanui actually lands a hit on Madara himself he gets the ace treatment. Fire style is useless as he's burns fire and genjutsu is an admitted GG if it lands.
@supreme101: and your still ignoring AP>DC (which they have control over) which is explicitly pointed out in universe and despite this they still have the feats putting them in that range
@dogsrus: Nope. Data book confirms it works by converting opposing chakra into wind chakra. Useless against his lava powers. the gunbai fan also produces large gusts of wind that can stop opposing attacks
Turn the world to ash is multi continental at best (surface wiping) and we know it's not valid as the ten tails 2nd form is where planet level Naruto starts at a minimum. there are several statements of planet-busting kurama
Their chakra is infinite in that it infinitely replenishes. They can still run low or out which is directly pointed out on panel with Mu and Minato. hashirama was not low on chakra he gets all the chakra he had drained out mu couldn't make any more chakra since he used fission not that he was low but that was an effect of fission and Minato used the nine-tails chakra which 9tails is immortal and never dies it was a living source
OT- Either way but leaning towards akanui for his better stamina and durability.
durability in perfect Susanoo goes to Madara by far not to mention Akainu's lava will have no effect since chakra cant be burned and then Madara can come back to life with Izanagi if he loses and he has abilities like his ms ability to see the future withone eye and to turn back time with the other
Written directed approved of by Kishimoto himself he even did the ultimates as well as the games having canon statements. They're meant to show the true power of the characters. So yeah it's all canon
@supreme101: and your still ignoring AP>DC (which they have control over) which is explicitly pointed out in universe and despite this they still have the feats putting them in that range
@supreme101: and your still ignoring AP>DC (which they have control over) which is explicitly pointed out in universe and despite this they still have the feats putting them in that range
Written directed approved of by Kishimoto himself he even did the ultimates as well as the games having canon statements. They're meant to show the true power of the characters. So yeah it's all canon
Still doesn't say it's canon. And even then that's a promotional statement not an in game feat or statement taka taking on the page or explicitly stating momoshiki is kaguya.
@supreme101: and your still ignoring AP>DC (which they have control over) which is explicitly pointed out in universe and despite this they still have the feats putting them in that range
Still doesn't say it's canon. And even then that's a promotional statement not an in game feat or statement t
He wrote the story and did all the ultimates if the author aka the in verse creator is the one doing all of this then it's canon. Involvement especially for Kishimoto means something unless stated otherwise. He didn't write the novels or the last movie yet he approved it and yet it's canon. As well as being a feat. The games are meant to show the characters true power.
But sure here are canon statements for the games.
aka taking on the page or explicitly stating momoshiki is kaguya.
Still doesn't say it's canon. And even then that's a promotional statement not an in game feat or statement t
He wrote the story and did all the ultimates if the author aka the in verse creator is the one doing all of this then it's canon. Involvement especially for Kishimoto means something unless stated otherwise. He didn't write the novels or the last movie yet he approved it and yet it's canon.
Big difference between worked on and approved I've already explained this to you. Oda has personally wrote 2 of the games and several of the films but beyond certain characters being canon the films and games are NOT canon. Plus the Toneri actually appeared and there's no contradictions with it's inclusion.
As well as being a feat. The games are meant to show the characters true power.
But sure here are canon statements for the games.
aka taking on the page or explicitly stating momoshiki is kaguya.
HUH?????
Actual in game additional feats. And that's from storm 3 It's literally stating additional anime content which is what I was referring to.
Hashirama shaking the earth is from storm 4 and isn't even an in game feat or statement.
@supreme101: and your still ignoring AP>DC (which they have control over) which is explicitly pointed out in universe and despite this they still have the feats putting them in that range
No they really don't.
Yeah they do
AP and scaling exist otherwise 8 gates guy wouldn't even be mountain level.
Big difference between worked on and approved I've already explained this to you. Oda has personally wrote 2 of the games and several of the films but beyond certain characters being canon the films and games are NOT canon. Plus the Toneri actually appeared and there's no contradictions with it's inclusion.
With Kishimoto it's different. They were written by him approved and stated as canon. unlike Odas works. Even compared with the manga storyline in which it's meant to follow unlike odas movies which are set in who knows where. the changes were applauded Kishimoto . they're meant to show the true power as stated as well. Lol.
Actual in game additional feats. And that's from storm 3 It's literally stating additional anime content which is what I was referring to.
That's not storm 3 lol.
Hashirama shaking the earth is from storm 4 and isn't even an in game feat or statement.
Guess Kaguyas dimensions stated spacetimes in her guide dosen't make it a feat. It is a feat what do you think the guide is referring to? It's his attack adamantine fist.
@dogsrus: Nope. Data book confirms it works by converting opposing chakra into wind chakra. Useless against his lava powers. the gunbai fan also produces large gusts of wind that can stop opposing attacks
Turn the world to ash is multi continental at best (surface wiping) and we know it's not valid as the ten tails 2nd form is where planet level Naruto starts at a minimum. there are several statements of planet-busting kurama
Hyperbolic. Explained this.
Their chakra is infinite in that it infinitely replenishes. They can still run low or out which is directly pointed out on panel with Mu and Minato. hashirama was not low on chakra he gets all the chakra he had drained out mu couldn't make any more chakra since he used fission not that he was low but that was an effect of fission and Minato used the nine-tails chakra which 9tails is immortal and never dies it was a living source
Minato literally stated ON PANEL he didn't have enough chakra to teleport Naruto out of the god tree.
OT- Either way but leaning towards akanui for his better stamina and durability.
durability in perfect Susanoo goes to Madara by far
Debatable and Madara himself is significantly less durable.
not to mention Akainu's lava will have no effect since chakra cant be burned
True but the person underneath can (which ironically was done by lava both times)
and then Madara can come back to life with Izanagi if he loses
True but he can only do this once and that's only if it's not his face getting cooked.
and he has abilities like his ms ability to see the future with one eye and to turn back time with the other
And akanui has observation haki, a malleable elemental body, both basic and advanced Armament haki, and better stamina. It's a close fight
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