Adult Naruto and Adult Sasuke vs Saiyan Saga Vegeta and Cui

Vegeta was shaking the planet and could destroy one with his strongest attack. He has tk strong enough to squash moon+ levelers and speed to hang on with KKx3 Goku who speedblitz sub-light Nappa. Cui is his equal minus tk. I say team DB takes this 8/10

Naruto and sasuke. Cui had a power level that was slighlty higher than vegetas in sayian saga and that isn't much for naruto and sasuke at this point. Though vegeta bloodlusted could just destroy the planet but sasuke could just kamui him.

Naruto and sasuke. Cui had a power level that was slighlty higher than vegetas in sayian saga and that isn't much for naruto and sasuke at this point. Though vegeta bloodlusted could just destroy the planet but sasuke could just kamui him.

Either one of team 1 solos

Vegeta or Cui solo and one shot

No :P Although I agree that they can one shot them if they hit them with Ki blasts, Naruto and Sasuke are above in any other category, except Raw DC and durability against destructive Ki blats.

In what aspect exactly Naruto and Saskue superior to them for you opinion?

Hax, speed and striking.

Naruto and Sasuke has no hax expect for genjutsu and rasengan shuriken,which irrelevant since team 2 is bloodlust and therefore immediately one shot them before they will get a change

Naruto and Sasuke don't need hax to kill them, Rasenshuriken that can target cells would be useful against them since they lack resistance against it, and since both of them have a terrible piercing/cutting durability against strong humans, is more than enough to say that Sasuke can simple blitz Vegeta or Cui and stab their hearts with one Chidori, and is not like their Ki blasts is fast enough to touch them though :P And since they are bloodlusted the fight can simple start with Sasuke teleporting Vegeta or Cui to one of his Chidori

Naruto and Sasuke are sub-rel at best,which is the level of fodder like Raditz who dodge from point black attack from Piccolo.Kid Goku already was MHS+

Raditz sub-rel ? LOL, what kind of wank is this ? a much stronger Goku with 8000 PL full speed took 28 hours to cross 1.000.000 KM and this was enough to blitz the ones like Nappa, there is no feat for say that Kid Goku is MHS+, you can argue at Tao's statement that can't even being calculated by RL methods, but whatever.

Raditz Saga Piccolo strongest technique:'' Makankosappo''

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The technique was able to hurt Raditz, the PL should was above 1307(Gohan's power level when hurt Raditz) according to Raditz the technique possess a PL of 1330

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By power scaling and the fact that Piccolo use this technique to attack Raditz that means that:

SBC>Moon Buster Beam

Raditz was able to barely dodged the beam, and according to Piccolo if he charged again Raditz would do the same

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Piccolo at that time have a PL of 408 according to Raditz, that means that likely the SBC increase his strength in 4 times for be able to pierce Raditz

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Nappa and Vegeta Arc:

Piccolo and Krillin uses a 2 handed SBC and a Kamehameha to kill Nappa, which he clearly notices and manage to doged with easy, even though that he was hurt

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By the logic they should be FTL don't ? Yes, they should, but guess what ? They don't.

Goku with a PL of 8000 takes 28 hours to cross all the snake way which have 1.000.000 KM.

After Goku finsihes training with King Kai, he gets wished back to life and must make his way back to King Yemma across Snake Way (1 million Km) to meet Kami who can take him back to Earth

King Kai suggests Goku can make it in two days at his current speed, but he also says the Saiyans will arrive the next day.

Snake Way is 1,000,000km long, and when Goku left King Kai, it seems he expected Goku to go the distance in 2 days at his current speed. This tells us that at this point in time, Goku can shift at 20,833Kmph, or 12,945mph. This seems fair since King Kai has been training Goku, he should know how fast Goku is and how long it would take him.

As we know though, Goku didn't take 2 days. He arrived back to King Yemma the next day, 3 hours and 37 minutes after the Saiyans arrived.

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In the Kame House when Goku calls Master Roshi via King Kai, Bulma and Oolong are about to eat, or have just started eating:

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A quick google search shows a number of sources stating that lunch times in Japan traditionally run from 11:30am to 1:30pm.

ASSUMPTION: If They started lunch at 11:30am and took a further 13 minutes from that point to calling the dragon and wishing Goku back to life, then Goku traversed Snake Way in 27 hours and 37 minutes. I personally dont find this a huge leap. Toriyama specifcally made King Kai mention the "next day" and he specifically mentions times of the day that add another 3 hours and 37 minutes onto the time of arrival of the Saiyans.

This is a speed of Mach 30, Combat speed by fans calculations in forums and other debates are 10 times faster than travel/movement/flying speed, but Goku clearly moves faster than Nappa's brain can process, even though that Nappa can easily avoid a 2HSBC and a Kamehameha from Krillin which was at that time stronger than Raditz, and he moves faster than Raditz reaction which was only able to barely dodged, but Nappa clearly moves before the beams even touch him.

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As you can see, so that means:

Goku Mach 30 flying speed > Nappa's reaction speed>2HSBC>or=Krillin Kamehameha>Raditz's reaction speed >Piccolo Raditz saga SBC>Moon buster beam

Frieza was able to casually moves faster than the Beams from Gohan, Krillin and Piccolo fused with Nail, actually his beams are fast enough that not even a person like Piccolo can see, he says that he only saw a little light, similar when someone fired a bullet and we are only able to see the light, but Goku easily repel that beams but was blitzed lots of times by Frieza.

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As you can see:

Frieza movement/travel/flying speed >Goku's reaction> Frieza Nail beams>Namek Saga Z warriors reaction = Namek Saga Z Warriors ki blasts> Goku Mach 30 flying speed > Nappa's reaction speed>2HSBC>or=Krillin Kamehameha>Raditz's reaction speed >Piccolo Raditz saga SBC>Moon buster beam

Following the Moon buster beam logic, Frieza should be FTL right ? Yes, but guess what ? He is not. Why can I say that ?well let's use a example of a stronger character: Gotenks SSJ, which according to Piccolo is stronger than Goku and Vegeta(Buu saga):

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Gotenks according to himself circle the globe dozens of times let's say that he circle the earth36 times in 25 minutes and sleep for 4 minutes and some seconds(the fusion only last 30 minutes and Piccolo was above frieza that time, he should be able to reach Gotenks in a short amount of time)

Earth's Circumference: 40.075 KM

Fusion time limit: 30 Minutes, 1/2 Hour

He circled the globe: Dozens, likely 36 times

Time: 25 minutes, 1500 seconds

He cross 36 times 40075 KM, that means he cross at maximum: 1.442.700 KM in 1500 seconds

Speed=Distance/Time

Speed=1.442.700/1500

Speed=961,8 KM per second

As you can see, Gotenks which is stronger than Goku and Vegeta Buu saga, have a travel/movement/flying speed of 961,8 Km per second, Piccolo is obviously tired and sweating due the fact that he was after Gotenks even though that he is stronger than Frieza

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So as you can see:

Gotenks SSJ Flying/Travel/movement speed>Buu Saga Piccolo Flying/Travel/Movement speed> Namek Frieza movement/travel/flying speed >Goku's reaction> Frieza Nail beams>Namek Saga Z warriors reaction = Namek Saga Z Warriors ki blasts> Goku Mach 30 flying speed > Nappa's reaction speed>2HSBC>or=Krillin Kamehameha>Raditz's reaction speed >Piccolo Raditz saga SBC>Moon buster beam

And we have Vegeta's Final Flash with a speed of Mach 30.000 as well Cell Kamehameha which possess at least the same speed.

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And we have Yamcha's statement saying that Master Roshi's house is 10.000 KM from where they are, and Goku was trying to proves that he could teleport and everyone when see the distance believed in him, and based on Vegeta's reaction and face, is pretty obviously that he huge distance was enough to convince him, the same guy that was in par with First Form Frieza, which means that at that time they don't have a speed of not even 10.000 KM per second.

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Striking-if you not consider that people capable to harm characters which can tank energy attack as striking feats than that fine i guess

Resistance against Ki blasts have nothing to do with Striking resistance, Tao tank a Kamehameha without a scratch and was almost killed by a Grenade.

@zxc6 said:

DB characters has way better piercing durability than Naruto and Saskue

Stop,this is travel speed which irrelevant,already been show since the very first chapters of DB that their combat speed is far superior to their travel speed

Kid Goku is not mhs+ you need to stop wanking. Young Adult Goku was supersonic when he fought Chi Chi before she became his wife.

Adult Goku is only supersonic? nice joke,Kid Goku from the first chapters can dodge bullet

Kid Goku is MHS+

That scan doesn't prove anything all I see is Mr. Popo and Kid Goku using figurative language hence "calm as the sky...faster than lightning". Not meant to be taken literally. You're taking that scene out of context when the whole purpose of that scene was improving Goku's ki sensing.

Prove that he just use figurative language

Again Young Adult Goku was supersonic.

The only thing you prove is that he was faster than Tien