Recent Batverse events mean?

#1 Posted by Durakken (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

Could it be that Damian will take on the identity of Redbird (or Flamebird) and become part of Nightwing's book while at the same time Harper Row will become the next Robin?

#2 Posted by r3d_rob1n (541 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope not. Nightwing's book has a younger feel to it, and a sidekick may tarnish that. Giving him Damian now would also destroy good plot points on Bruce and Damian trying to connect.

#3 Posted by Imagine_Man15 (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

A part of me likes the idea, but at the same, I don't think it would be a good development in the long run

#4 Edited by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

Harper Row being an actual fighter would seem weird to me unless done right. She seems more like ... I don't even know.

That scene where she revives Batman with her car battery comes to mind.

Something like that. An assistant-fangirl.

#5 Posted by Durakken (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

Tim Drake started weaker in terms of fighting so my question to you would be is it that Harper is female that makes you think that she would be a "weaker" fighter.

#6 Posted by r3d_rob1n (541 posts) - - Show Bio

@Durakken: She also seems to be much older than Tim was when he started, which could impact her ability to get adequate training.

#7 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

@Durakken: Her gender has nothing to do with it. She just doesn't seem like the fighting type from what we've seen. She seems to be more of a techie.

#8 Posted by Durakken (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

@r3d_rob1n said:

@Durakken: She also seems to be much older than Tim was when he started, which could impact her ability to get adequate training.

Maybe, Maybe not. You're thinking Pre-Flashpoint. She could be the same age or slightly younger than Tim.

@InnerVenom123 said:

@Durakken: Her gender has nothing to do with it. She just doesn't seem like the fighting type from what we've seen. She seems to be more of a techie.

Tim was a child detective and was in no way a fighting type either. She is pretty much a female Tim and has shown much more of a fighting spirit than Tim ever did originally so I don't see where you are getting that impression other than that she is a she.

#9 Posted by r3d_rob1n (541 posts) - - Show Bio

@Durakken: You are forgetting that Tim's New 52 reboot made him an already accomplished olympic athlete, hacker, and martial artist before becoming Robin. As she has a job that supports her family, I think it is safe to say that Harper is already 17-18 and around the same age as Drake. So she would still be at an age disadvantage and training disadvantage.

#10 Posted by BlackArmor (6149 posts) - - Show Bio

@r3d_rob1n said:

@Durakken: You are forgetting that Tim's New 52 reboot made him an already accomplished olympic athlete, hacker, and martial artist before becoming Robin. As she has a job that supports her family, I think it is safe to say that Harper is already 17-18 and around the same age as Drake. So she would still be at an age disadvantage and training disadvantage.

17 at the oldest since she was emancipated

#11 Posted by Durakken (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

@r3d_rob1n: So? Jason would have been about the same age as well.Depending on how things play out you could also list others that are the same age or older when they started training.

#12 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

@Durakken said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@Durakken: Her gender has nothing to do with it. She just doesn't seem like the fighting type from what we've seen. She seems to be more of a techie.

Tim was a child detective and was in no way a fighting type either. She is pretty much a female Tim and has shown much more of a fighting spirit than Tim ever did originally so I don't see where you are getting that impression other than that she is a she.

  • "Tim wasn't a fighting type
  • She's a female Tim
  • She must be a fighter"

Wanna re-think that logic?

#13 Posted by Durakken (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123 said:

@Durakken said:

@InnerVenom123 said:

@Durakken: Her gender has nothing to do with it. She just doesn't seem like the fighting type from what we've seen. She seems to be more of a techie.

Tim was a child detective and was in no way a fighting type either. She is pretty much a female Tim and has shown much more of a fighting spirit than Tim ever did originally so I don't see where you are getting that impression other than that she is a she.

  • "Tim wasn't a fighting type
  • She's a female Tim
  • She must be a fighter"

Wanna re-think that logic?

She is a female version of Tim in her skills and wanting to help. She is more of a fighter than Tim shown in the issue. Tim wasn't a fighting type.

Also, how can you say she's not really a fighter? She doesn't seek fights, but we've seen that she doesn't run from them. So again I gotta say your perception is not based on reality but on something else which I think tend to be the idea that women aren't fighters in general.

#14 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

@Durakken said:

Also, how can you say she's not really a fighter?

A bad memory. I re-read #12. Forgot that she was going to fight the gang with that badass taser thing.

@Durakken said:

So again I gotta say your perception is not based on reality but on something else which I think tend to be the idea that women aren't fighters in general.

So I gotta say your perception of my perception of reality is bull. And I happen to have just not remembered a particular scene right.

So.... yaaaaaaaay.

#15 Posted by r3d_rob1n (541 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't understand how people have such a high regard for Harper already. She has been in 1 Batman issue, and had a brief panel in Batman #7. To replace Damian with Harper right now would be ludicrous. Damian is the first legitimate revamp to the Robin character in about 20 years, and so far it has been a very interesting progression. To cast him off to being Nightwing's sidekick would be a vast waste of character development between Bruce and his estranged son. Change for the sake of change is not a good thing. Let Damian's role as Robin play out. It's not like Harper is going to age in the comic book world. If in the next few years the Damian stories have been written out and nobody has a fresh take on where he should go, then go back to Harper. She can be used in alternative roles until then to prevent her from becoming stale, but Robin belongs to Damian right now.

#16 Posted by Durakken (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

@InnerVenom123: Not Bull, your perception was flawed. I assume that people pay attention and remember things. That's often a flawed assumption, unfortunately.

#17 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

@Durakken said:

@InnerVenom123: Not Bull, your perception was flawed. I assume that people pay attention and remember things. That's often a flawed assumption, unfortunately.

I don't re-read the comic I read three weeks ago every day.

Forgive me for not meeting your standards.

#18 Posted by SupBatz (1819 posts) - - Show Bio

It doesn't really seem like she's being set up for a Robin role. As InnverVenom123 said, she seems to be more of an assistant/fangirl. I doubt she'll take on a role which involves becoming a street lever simply because there's really been no implication of it. From the two issues we've seen with her we've learned that she does her best work not as a fighter but when she works with this "electrical grid" she continuously refers to.

On a side note, as r3d_rob1n said, it is too soon to see Damian replaced. I've loved seeing him as Robin with Bruce as Batman so far and think that there is a wealth of untapped potential for Damian as Robin at the moment - too much potential for him to be replaced already.

And, on one final side note, I don't really think that Harper is all that similar to Tim. The only thing they have in common (as far as I can tell) is that they're big Batfans and they're pretty good at figuring things out (traits shared by many people in the Batman universe).

#19 Posted by YMCMB (160 posts) - - Show Bio

I really hope not, I kinda-sorta hate her.

#20 Posted by Eternal19 (2076 posts) - - Show Bio

no, id prefer her in an oracle role not as robin. Damian hasnt been robin very long and i want him to stay as robin

#21 Posted by richardjohngrayson (444 posts) - - Show Bio

@Eternal19 said:

no, id prefer her in an oracle role not as robin. Damian hasnt been robin very long and i want him to stay as robin

You read my mind. I like her and think she'd be a kick ass Oracle.

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