Ems madara H2H vs 5 pacifistas

The shinobi alliance gets replaced by 5 pacifistas and madara faces them head on in cqc and h2h battle.

1. EDO REGEN/ IMMORTALITY RESTRICTED
2. SUSANOO & METEOR SUMMONS RESTRICTED
3. STRICTLY H2H CQC BATTLE

WHO COMES OUT VICTORIOUS AND WHY?

Honestly without sage mode he would have trouble putting just one down.

without sage mode he gets beaten by one Pacifista, it took Gear 3 level Punches to put down a Pacifista in Pre time skip/Edited.

Madara while much stronger than average ninja in terms of Taijutsu he is not a Taijutsu specialist like the Raikage, Guy or Tsunade, all of his power is completely based on Ninjutsu/Genjutsu.

the best taijutsu feat madara has is catching sage mode naruto off guard and kicking him so even at best he scales to that which is not exactly any good the best he can do is beat SOS Luffy or something.

even the Taijutsu Specialist in the Ninja world all used a technique to boost their stats, Guy uses Gates to go from above average in taijutsu to Monster tier capable of contending with Ninjutsu, Raikage uses Lightning Cloak to amp his stats to match Ninjutsu, even tsunade uses Absolute charkra control to achieve her Power as well, Normal ninjas be it Orochimaru, Jiraiya, Terumi, Gaara, etc are not much different in H2h, guys, when Chunin level Sakura can scare the shit out of Kakashi with a punch and one shot Sasori you know that Naruto verse does not take Taijutsu/Physical skill serious.

Ninjutsu still holds supreme in the ninja world, Genjutsu specialist are very rare much less Taijutsu ones.

Madara one shots them

Just H2H? Madara isn't taking them down

@raziel2014:

without sage mode he gets beaten by one Pacifista, it took Gear 3 level Punches to put down a Pacifista

Gear 2:

Madara can't win.

Sakura, Guy or Lee would be much better for facing them.

I don't see Madara putting any Pacifista in H2h, since he doesn't hit harder than this:

@exauce said:

@raziel2014:

without sage mode he gets beaten by one Pacifista, it took Gear 3 level Punches to put down a Pacifista

Gear 2:

used pre time skip to measure since Post time skip is unknown since luffy did one shot them, i do remember pacifista also getting a upgrade which again does not help the cause here, either way i dont think it chances anything.

Pacifista Tanking a Diable Jambe, Gear 2nd + AShura all at the same time is already more than enough to assume madara cant really do anything if its only H2h.

@raziel2014:

used pre time skip to measure since Post time skip is unknown since luffy did one shot them,

Then u shouldn't use Gear 3 pre-timeskip since it couldn't put down alone, and needed the entire crew to damage the Pacifista enough in order for Gear 3 to put him down.

i do remember pacifista also getting a upgrade which again does not help the cause here, either way i dont think it chances anything.

Yea he doesn't.

1 is enough to give madara hell even with SM,5 is overkill

H2H? He gets destroyed lol.

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

Madara stomps

A single Pacifista would no sell Madara’s H2H, unless you try to successfully prove his punches and kicks are equal or greater to the collective damage output of the pre-time skip Straw Hats. I have a better chance of winning the lottery, getting struck by lightning and having GRRM answer my fan mail all on the same day, before that mythical argument appears.

@eredin12 said:

@socajunkie: Pre-time skip Straw Hats have feats close to this?

Is that canon or anime only?

He loses here, he can't put five of them down with CQC only and in base, he would take out 1 at best.

@morningstar999:

It is from Last Movie and is canon but has nothing to do with this Madara

@eredin12:

To try to say Madara has higher physicals then the Last Movie 6th Gate Lee is shaky

More clues pertaining to same Madara

Madara's Ribstage Cage Susanoo still has more durability then his own body despite not being complete

This same Rib Cage Susanoo could block Naruto's Rasen Shuriken , which makes it a great feat for Tsunade but has nothing to do with Madara

As for Madara "one shotting Kurama"

That never happened.

He simply knocked him down with invisible clone

And Pre-Skip Strawhats do have psychical feats comparable to that in Alabasta (Sanji/Giant Gators) and Thriller Bark with their encounter with Oars

A single false Kuma was above Pre-Skip Strawhats in physicals

@eredin12:

I'm trying to have a genuine feel for you logic

And there is no denial. You are the one trying to claim Madara one shot Kurama unconscious

Just think about

If Madara could "casually one shot Kurama"

Then why would he need to hypnotize him to combat Hahsirama?

It makes no sense.

By your logic, Kurama is fodder to Madara and taking control over him would be meaningless

He uses Kurama for his immense power

Not for the heck of it

I dont think every pacifista is Kuma level, even so; he may be able to probably make a few dents but I dont see him putting them down with pure taijutsu.

Like...claiming that Madara can oneshot five of those in base, seems shaky. He could beat one, but five, with just punches and kicks...

Madara one shot he scale higher than them

madara oneshots all of them base tsunade is already more than enough 6th gate guy could probably more than oneshot them

Straight hands? Madara EVENTUALLY

@dogsrus: Madara doesn't scale to Tsunade strength wise

@edgelord91: he blocked several hits from her and when alive could fight h2h against sagemode hashi

who sagemode hashi by virtue of having more chakra is leagues stronger than sagemode naruto which means when alive he had more dura attacking power than tsunade

war arc sage naruto is better than kcm and the 4th raikage and tsunade in physicals only pain arc sage naruto is weaker and he easily bodied him

@dogsrus: and that was 5th gates lee(not even island level) being amped by 3x kakashi level.

@edgelord91: kakashi who is island level

on top of 5th gate lee which is around mountain level plus during war arc

@edgelord91 said:

@dogsrus said:

@edgelord91: kakashi who is island level

how? And he's definitely not anywhere near that with physicals. he is kept up with 6th gate guy who is island level using raikiri and fought non fully transformed bijuu which are mountain to island level in dura

on top of 5th gate lee which is around mountain level plus during war arc

Pacifista are more durable than this

the luffy that was oneshotting them was not mountain level luffy only gets mountain level post timeskip franky only survived because he was a full on cyborg luffy or anyone else would have died

@dogsrus: guy is island level in the 7th gate and kakashi doesn't scale to gates guy physically

@edgelord91: he kept up wiith him using raikiri and even cut some of the non fully transformed bijuu

@dogsrus: like I said doesn't scale PHYSICALLY.

@edgelord91: how?

@dogsrus: he and base guy are relative in stats. The gates explicitly amp physicals. Kakashi makes up for that with high potency Ninjutsu.

Heck Sasuke states that base guy is actually faster than kakashi

@edgelord91: kakashi jutsu amp his physicals and make him faster

no they don't. Kakashi always had that level of speed he just couldn't utilize it safely before getting his sharigan because of the blur effect as explained by Minato.

@edgelord91: yes chidori makes him faster as i have said you refuted nothing

@dogsrus: chidori doesn't make him faster. Literally explained by Minato he couldn't use it before getting the sharigan because of tunnel vision.