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Why Change is Good for Superman in the Upcoming DC Re-Launch

New no red briefs costume
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I want to start off by saying that Superman was the first comic I started reading and while he has been replaced by Batman as my favorite character, he is secure at the number two spot. As much as I have loved Superman, his stories have never appealed to me as an adult (I am 29 as of the writing of this). I started reading Superman in the post-Crisis DC Universe. John Byrne’s Man of Steel miniseries which retold his origin and the major events of his early history will always be the definitive Superman origin for me. I loved the Death and Return of Superman story arcs and while they don’t hold up as some of the best Superman stories, the death of Superman in issue number 75 is a major milestone for the character and I think no single issue better exemplifies and portrays the character in over 75 years of comics. As an adult I stopped buying the Superman titles over 5 years ago and have only reluctantly picked up a few trades. I was bored with his stories. We say nothing new with the character. It was the same thing over and over. I just couldn’t understand how such a powerful character, the original superhero who defined the archetype for over 75 years, could become so boring. When I first heard about the DC comics re-launch, I was skeptical for all the characters and changes, except that of Superman. I thought, that is exactly what this character needs

Kiss in Superman (1987) #75
Kiss in Superman (1987) #75

There has been some speculation about some big changes coming to the Superman corner of the DC Universe with the September relaunch for some time. It looks like we got confirmation of some of those rumors today. Most of the speculation has centered on Superman and Lois Lane’s marriage not surviving the re-launch. Dan Didio fueled the fire by saying that their marriage would be re-examined. This led to some speculation that they would be getting divorced. Superman and Lois have not been spending a lot of time together. He first left for New Krypton and he is now walking across the United States to reconnect with the people he abandoned for New Krypton. The thinking was that Lois and Supes would break up because they weren’t spending time together. We have now found out that in the re-launched Universe, they were never married at all.

The new status quo in the Superman comics will be that Superman/Clark Kent will be a bachelor and that Lois will have a relationship with a colleague at the Daily Planet. I had previously talked with some people on Comicvine about how the Superman – Lois Lane dynamic was a very important part of the character. Not necessarily married, but a romantic attraction existing between the two being essential. It still remains to be seen whether that attraction/romance will exist, but I guess we will have to wait and see.

Before I get into some of the other tidbits that were revealed, let me remind you thatAction Comics will take place at the dawn of Superheroes in the DCU and Superman is going to be the first one. Action Comics and Justice League of America will take place 5 years before the continuity of the other titles. For example, while we will see a fully developed Superman wearing the slightly redesigned iconic costume (no red briefs over the blue) in the Superman title, Action Comics will tell Superman’s story as he first breaks onto the scene and show us how he develops into the hero we all know.

Early Costume in Re-launch Universe
Early Costume in Re-launch Universe

So what are the other changes being made to Superman? In Action Comics, Superman will not have fully developed powers yet. He will still be discovering what the full extent of his powers are and what he is capable of. Namely, he won’t be able to fly. Similar to how he was when he first debuted in 1938. Action focuses on Superman’s early superhero career, depicts a “younger, more brooding” Man of Steel adjusting to his adopted home world. His powers are still in development at this point, as he “can leap tall buildings but can’t fly in space.” We can tell from the solicits for Superman, that he will eventually be able to fly. As many origin stories as we have seen for Superman in the last 10 years, it will be nice to see a slower progression and development of the character. Another example of this is his costume. He will not be wearing the iconic red cape and blue tights (sans red briefs now) right away. In the Action previews, he is wearing a t-shirt with the Superman shield on it, a cape, jeans and boots. When he does work his way to his standard costume, it will be because it is based on Kryptonian armor and he will be more embracing of his alien heritage earlier on. It sounds like we will see less farm boy and a more Kryptonian Superman. This is slightly supported by the rumor that both Ma and Pa Kent are already dead in the re-launch Universe, similar to Golden and Silver Age Superman.

Grant Morrison is the writer on Action Comics. When he left DC to work for Marvel in the early 2000’s, it was because he wanted to write Superman but wasn’t allowed to make the changes he wanted. He left because he did not get the free reign over the character that he wanted. It was always rumored that he wanted to make some drastic changes. A big part of the rumored changes he wanted to make was that Lois and Superman would not be married. It looks like he is finally getting the control he wants. Grant Morrison is a phenomenal story teller. He writes great story arcs and is considered by many, easier to read in trade formats than he is across individual issues. He has shown over the last few years what he can do when given complete control over one of DC’s big three characters with his work on Batman. I have loved his Batman run. Batman Inc. has been his weakest arc for the character and has been very up and down, but I like to think that is more because of the looming re-launch and that put a time limit on what he could do with that title (although it will be returning in 2012).

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Action Comics #1

Superman is in good hands with Grant Morrison. He is a great character who has suffered a lot of mediocrity in the last 15 years. He has a fairly blah set of villains outside of 2 or 3 big ones. He is a character in desperate need of better stories and if it takes these changes to bring that, then I fully embrace what is coming. He is a BIG character, one of the biggest characters in comics in general, if not the biggest (It has to be either him or Batman). I think the negativity towards the re-launch version of Superman and the DCU re-launch overall has to do with a mostly older comic reading audience being scared of change. For example, people like to say that over 75 years of history is being tossed aside. NOT True. All of DC’s characters have gone through re-launches, reboots, revamps, retcons etc. There is no character that really has continuity going back before Crisis on Infinite Earth’s. Except with a few notable events (Killing Joke, Death in the Family, and Death of Superman), no characters continuity really extends beyond the last few years. We already know that major events like the ones I just mentioned are going to remain intact. A largely adult audience exists for comics these days, we don’t want to lose the things we have fond memories of, but a re-launch won’t change those stories and make them any less good than they are. Not everything needs to be connected or remain in one fluid history and continuity (that never existed anyway). If anything continuity has probably hurt the stories being told more than anything else. Writers won’t be burdened by it (as much) and will have more freedom to tell the stories they want to tell without fear of repeating anything or hurting continuity.

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@Jekylhyde14:  
If that turns out to be the case and DC fans embrace what's coming you will have proven me wrong. I wouldn't hold my breath though. Petulant? LMAO. Bring it.
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@turoksonofstone said:
               
You sound like a paid Schill, Iv'e noticed several new users popping up on the various comics news sites extolling the virtues of this reboot.It is transparent and comical.
 
 
Or maybe it's proof that this reboot will bring in the new readers that Superman desperately needs. How is the fact that people are so excited about this that they're signing up for new sites and getting involved in them a bad thing? Unless you want comics to become so exclusive that the industry collapses. You sound like petulant child who wants things to stay his way forever. I'm glad people are so passionate about this that they're joining comicvine. I bet the moderators are too.
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@roboticjesus said:

I feel sorry for everyone who doesn't see the reboot as a good thing. They are just stubborn people who don't like to embrace change. They lack progressive thinking and see this is the way forward.

@turoksonofstone said:
Strange how the "NEW" folks on comic-vine seem to approve of the Reboot, almost in defiance of society at large, makes me wonder..
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@turoksonofstone said:

Strange how the "NEW" folks on comic-vine seem to approve of the Reboot, almost in defiance of society at large, makes me wonder..

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I respect that, but it is small mindedness and presumptuous statements like this where I find myself biting my tongue. Everyone is welcome to the conversation, but don't contribute anything.

Why don't you share your thoughts on the reboot and why you feel that way, rather than some vague criticism of "NEW" folks?

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@roboticjesus said:


                   

@turoksonofstone said:

Strange how the "NEW" folks on comic-vine seem to approve of the Reboot, almost in defiance of society at large, makes me wonder..

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I respect that, but it is small mindedness and presumptuous statements like this where I find myself biting my tongue. Everyone is welcome to the conversation, but don't contribute anything.

Why don't you share your thoughts on the reboot and why you feel that way, rather than some vague criticism of "NEW" folks?



                   

               
Yeah, I'm not too thrilled by the "new" folks comment either. I've been on Comicvine for years, but I don't post to the forums often unless I have something to say (like now). I've been collecting comics since before I could read. I've worked at two comic stores and have watched them both close down thanks to a stubborness within the industry. I don't feel too "new" at anything concerned here, and I'm overly enthusiastic about this reboot. I think it's high time and that they've given it to the right creators. DC has been underwhelming for awhile now. Maybe the fans who are so resistant to change should start to feel like they're part of that problem.
You sound like a paid Schill, Iv'e noticed several new users popping up on the various comics news sites extolling the virtues of this reboot.It is transparent and comical.
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@justafan said:

how can justice league america and action comics both start 5 years before continuity? if action comics is about before superman joined justice league america Does justice league america not have superman?

I have a read a few things recently to indicate that while JLA is earlier, it's not quite as early as Action Comics will be. Somewhere inbetween "current" continuity in the titles and the 5 years earlier of AC.

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@roboticjesus: Probably both. In any case it's working fine now and the Optimist does a much better job than I did outlining the links and similarities between the DCU reboot and One More Day and on breaking down the new reboot.
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how can justice league america and action comics both start 5 years before continuity? if action comics is about before superman joined justice league america 
 
 Does justice league america not have superman?

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DC needed this re-launch. The only DC comic i was reading was power girl and i stopped liking that after issue 14, I will start reading Superman justice league and one of the Batman comics now. I just cant beleve they are doing this.

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@roboticjesus said:


                   

@turoksonofstone said:

Strange how the "NEW" folks on comic-vine seem to approve of the Reboot, almost in defiance of society at large, makes me wonder..

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I respect that, but it is small mindedness and presumptuous statements like this where I find myself biting my tongue. Everyone is welcome to the conversation, but don't contribute anything.

Why don't you share your thoughts on the reboot and why you feel that way, rather than some vague criticism of "NEW" folks?



                   

               

Yeah, I'm not too thrilled by the "new" folks comment either. I've been on Comicvine for years, but I don't post to the forums often unless I have something to say (like now). I've been collecting comics since before I could read. I've worked at two comic stores and have watched them both close down thanks to a stubborness within the industry. I don't feel too "new" at anything concerned here, and I'm overly enthusiastic about this reboot. I think it's high time and that they've given it to the right creators. DC has been underwhelming for awhile now. Maybe the fans who are so resistant to change should start to feel like they're part of that problem.
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@turoksonofstone said:

Strange how the "NEW" folks on comic-vine seem to approve of the Reboot, almost in defiance of society at large, makes me wonder..

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I respect that, but it is small mindedness and presumptuous statements like this where I find myself biting my tongue. Everyone is welcome to the conversation, but don't contribute anything.

Why don't you share your thoughts on the reboot and why you feel that way, rather than some vague criticism of "NEW" folks?

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@Lvenger: I meant to reply to TheOptimist, so not sure what is going on. Technical glitch or user error, may be both?

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@roboticjesus: Thanks and it's no problem to comment on a thread with a discussion topic this interesting. Although I don't know why when you replied to my comment the username came up as the optimist when it is in fact a completely different one. LOL at that little technical error. 
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@Primmaster64: I know. I'm liking what Grant Morrison is doing to the character in the revamped origin in Action Comics, that seems really interesting. And aside from that hitch in the Superman series, I like the look of it so far. The DC reboot so far seems OK, it's just this one thing that annoys me a great deal that DC have not pulled off well.
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Strange how the "NEW" folks on comic-vine seem to approve of the Reboot, almost in defiance of society at large, makes me wonder..

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@TheOptimist: You do a good job of breaking it down better than I ever could have. Totally Agree with you on the distinction between this and "One More Day."

I am really surprised at the amount of comments and conversation generated by ramblings. Thanks for contributing everyone!

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The original post did an excellent job of explaining not only the rationale of this preliminary arc, but also proving the need for it. While his iconic status and the ideals presented by Superman have always been a central feature in why he has ranked as a top character in my favorites, the truth is that very little of that was ever motivated by the continuing story of the character. In fact, the most memorable Superman moments in my mental recall are origin, event or alternative media pieces. What the potential of Grant's arc has on its side is the potential to draw him into an actual story of interest, rooted in providing him a youthful angle. Having so many 'knowns' and settled elements of the Superman universe has drastically limited its potential, including not only the marriage but the extents of his power, the presence of his moral limitations and the other story points that have become hackneyed and far too common. In fact, our understanding of Clark Kent and Superman and the relationship of these identities has also been far too long settled and therefore stale. 
  
We don't know this new Superman, this new Clark Kent or this new Kal-El. And with this comes grand potential for expansion. 
 
Also, to address the comparison to One More Day, one distinction I note is the nature of that alteration... One More Day took a still active and frankly youthful married Peter Parker full of story potential and turned him into an active youthful single Peter Parker full of story potential. The change itself was infinitesimally small. The character was already highly successful and needed the change for neither creative nor financial reasons. Superman, however, has become worn and wearied by the years of his marriage, in both creativity and sales. In a story such as Superman's, the marriage and settling down period are a climax, the closing chapter of Superman's struggle... while incredibly enjoyable as it initially unfolded, it began a crawl towards the end. Opening up the marriage can could even be seen to have led to the Death arc, because what else are you going to do? But because we love the character, he returns. But because he returned to the same old status quo, he was not only at the end of the path, he was completely stalled. At the very least, this can bring us back to an earlier point of the story, where the known becomes unknown, where truth becomes question and fact returns to fiction. Superman's story never ends.

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@Lvenger: well its gonna happen dude.
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@Primmaster64: If they do that then it will clearly show that DC is just copying Marvel. First they erased the Peter-MJ marraige then gave Peter a new girlfriend. If they do that with Clark then that is a lack of creative inspiration on DC's part of reinventing of their top characters
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@Lvenger: Its probably that Clark will also have a new girlfriend
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The one thing I'm most skeptical about in this reboot of Superman is the portrayal of the end of the Lois-Clark relationship. Not only has the marraige received the 'one more day' treatment, Lois' new boyfriend is just too stereotypical for my tastes given the two pages we've seen from the Superman solicit. He's acting like every other male rival to a girl's affection and I'm disheartened at the fact that for all the costume redesigns and modernising of their characters, DC didn't have the originality to create anything more than a cut rate man for Lois to go out with whilst she's not interested in Clark.

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@roboticjesus said:

@DrEgonSpengler: That is how I read it


Thanks for the info.
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@DrEgonSpengler: That is how I read it

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@roboticjesus said:

@DrEgonSpengler said:

I'm ok with it as long as he becomes SUPER after a while. Superman man needs to be SUPER. Light speed filght, can survive a nuclear blast that kind of stuff. He is the POWERhouse of DC and should remain that way. I'll accept him having lesser power for a while, but he better power up within 12-18 months. I don't think people want to wait 10 years like Smallville for him to become the REAL Man of Steel!!!

Just found this out:

From Grant Morrison panel: "Action takes place 5 years ago in DCnU continuity, catches up in issue #7, going back & forth a bit from there"


So he's kind of establishing Superman's backstory up until about issue #7 and then we'll see The Superhero he becomes after that?
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@DrEgonSpengler said:

I'm ok with it as long as he becomes SUPER after a while. Superman man needs to be SUPER. Light speed filght, can survive a nuclear blast that kind of stuff. He is the POWERhouse of DC and should remain that way. I'll accept him having lesser power for a while, but he better power up within 12-18 months. I don't think people want to wait 10 years like Smallville for him to become the REAL Man of Steel!!!

Just found this out:

From Grant Morrison panel: "Action takes place 5 years ago in DCnU continuity, catches up in issue #7, going back & forth a bit from there"

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I'm ok with it as long as he becomes SUPER after a while. Superman man needs to be SUPER. Light speed filght, can survive a nuclear blast that kind of stuff.  He is the POWERhouse of DC and should remain that way.  I'll accept him having lesser power for a while, but he better power up within 12-18 months. I don't think people want to wait 10 years like Smallville for him to become the REAL Man of Steel!!!
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I feel sorry for everyone who doesn't see the reboot as a good thing. They are just stubborn people who don't like to embrace change. They lack progressive thinking and see this is the way forward.

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First off, they aren't just turning back the clocks. They're retooling the character for a modern audience by going back to his roots. I actually think it's quite fitting that Superman will once again become a champion for the common man wearing blue jeans and work boots considering how badly the current recession has hurt the working class. Superman's new choice of attire reflects his concern for their problems much like how he aided the working class back in 1939 at the tail end of the Great Depression. With that and the fact he'll be leaping instead of flying makes this revamp more like the Golden Age than the Silver. The fact is, Superman comics have been poor the last few years, and something needs to be done to make the character interesting again. I'm sure this is it.  
 
The Silver Age was not an era of godawful stupidity. Without the Silver Age we wouldn't have Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, Braniac, Supergirl, Metallo, the Justice League, or the Teen Titans (amongst many other characters). With all that plus the fact that Marvel was putting out such great characters like Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, and the Avengers probably makes the Silver Age just about the BEST age for superhero comics. That's why writers keep going back to it. In the case of Silver Age Superman, the whole show was being run by Mort Weisinger who went through a nervous breakdown during his time as editor. The plots he came up with reflect the real anxieties and fears of a respectable man during one of the most turbulent times during our country's history. Yes, these fears are filtered through stories written for kids, but the heart of them is all human. I find that much more interesting than the melodramatic "character progression" that happened in the '90's (in conjunction with the truly wretched Lois & Clark TV series).  
 
I would also love for you to explain how Grant Morrison is the "epitome of a backwards writer" when he's the guy who brought trans gender characters into DC/Vertigo? Sounds pretty progressive to me. Grant just favors treating superheroes like superheroes again. He favors going back to what made them great while moving them into the future. That's what I saw with his Doom Patrol revamp, his JLA revamp, and his X-Men revamp. I'm about to see it again with Superman. 
 
I get why you're upset. You're afraid that this will make all those stories you read from the 90's and early 2000's not matter anymore. BUt that's not true. If they matter to you then they'll always have meaning no matter what's happening in continuity. Change like this has come before and it's time for it again. It'll be alright. Trust me.
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This change will be good because it's modernized and different so it'll attract the younger generations.
Yup...
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This change will be good because it's modernized and different so it'll attract the younger generations.

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@Jekylhyde14: the silver age was a godawful era of stupidity for DC. I understand having story elements, like how it was done in secret origin, but just turning back the clock because you cant let go of the past and hated actual character progression, you need to stay in Elseworlds at best. Them getting married was logical progression: Its Superman, they aint getting too busy without him marrying her first. Morrison is the epitome of a backwards writer. 
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I finally got around to do some research on the Superman lawsuit.

Siegel and Shuster's Estate Recaptured the rights to the first two weeks of the daily Superman newspaper comic strips, as well as portions of early Action Comics and Superman comic-books.
  • They now control depictions of Superman's origins from the planet Krypton, his parents Jor-El and Lora, Superman as the infant Kal-El, the launching of the infant Superman into space by his parents as Krypton explodes and his landing on Earth in a fiery crash.
  • The Superman character, including his costume, his alter-ego as reporter Clark Kent, the feisty reporter Lois Lane, their jobs at the Daily Planet newspaper working for a gruff editor, and the love triangle among Clark/Superman and Lois.
What does Warner Brothers get:
  • Superman's ability to fly, the term kryptonite, the Lex Luthor and Jimmy Olsen characters, Superman's powers and expanded origins.

It looks DC is not going to do a complete revamp of Superman's origins because of this. It looks like they are just picking up with his early career as Superman. The origin doesn't need to be retold or changed to accommodate the lawsuit. Everyone knows it, so simply skip it. It looks like this is probably what they are doing. Just because the rights to certain parts of Superman are split now, it doesn't mean DC can't use them. Licensing agreements can be reached with the Siegel and Shuster estates to use the things they don't have rights to. This happens all the time with the big technology companies licensing out things they don't have patents for. I still see the lawsuit as mostly a non-issue.

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You may have a point about the bad writing, but I completely disagree with everything else you spewed out. In my opinion, Grant is just trying to fix all the crap that Byrne/Stern/Jurgens threw in the Modern Age that made Superman comics a weak soap opera. There's a reason that EVERY era of Superman comics after it has referred back to things that happened in the Silver Age: BECAUSE THE SILVER AGE WAS SUPERMAN'S BEST AGE. Grant thinks so, Alan Moore thought so (as evidenced by his run on Supreme), and even John Byrne spent a good deal of his run retelling classic Silver Age stories. Grant developed Superman 2000 with Mark Millar and Mark Waid who are two men who know an awful lot about Supes and who have done much to shape the Modern Age of comics and make it more interesting. I really can't see Grant going wrong here. 
 
Also, if you can think of a way to make a marriage interesting for more than a decade, please let the rest of us in on it. I'm sure there are tons of couples out there just dying for that answer.
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@okayla said:

It'd be different if this were for any valid creative reason and not just trying to wheedle around lawsuits.

I don't know that the particulars of the lawsuit, but I like to think that DC wouldn't re-launch their entire lineup just because of that. Call me naive, but I really think they recognized the lack of quality in most of their books and decided to do something about it.

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Nice rant. 

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It'd be different if this were for any valid creative reason and not just trying to wheedle around lawsuits.

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Seriously, did DC look at Marvel and say "You know what people REALLY ENJOYED? One More Day!" Screw you DC.

I enjoyed Superman and Lois a lot more before they were married. From a character development perspective, she was a lot stronger pre-marriage. I cant think of the last time she played a major role in a Superman story (granted I haven't ready the titles every month for a long time until recently).

I think Spider-man and Mary Jane is a different dynamic and not a good comparison.

Uh.... is that the character development before or after she was trying to program baby superman to love her? 
 
I think it is the perfect comparison - it's the exact same thing, being done for the exact same reasons. 
 
The fact people haven't been able to write her very well has nothing to do with the sex-fantasies of people who want Superman boning Wonder Woman.  But you damned well know that's exactly how it's gonna play out - Superman has more options when unmarried than married.  And they get to tell the same old stories all over again. 
 
The big difference is that OMD left continuity mostly intact for Spidey, but it's rewriting all of Superman's history. 
 
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@jointron33: I agree. 
 
I truly think this will be the start of Morrison's fall from grace like has happened to many writing legends before him. Even his most ardent fanbois will be at a loss to spin away some of the stuff we are about to witness unfold. It will be like Johns taking a few hits recently after previously being untouchable and is now losing his lustre and vocal support with sections of his most loyal fans.
 
Also Bruce Springsteen?  W T F....  
 
Like the new generation of readers are really going to identify with Bruce Springsteen.....
 
Poor Supes has been dealt a bum deal. 
 
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@roboticjesus: batmans back breaking was also mentioned in HUSH....... :) but hey doesn't anyone remember Our Worlds At War?!?! i mean Superman literally performed his Greatest feat in that story n went through emotional and physical hell how is that not mentioned in anything recently?? thats really weird n also i thought aside from new krypton that was a massive and at the same time a great story arc fr Supes.

Haven't read Hush in forever, but I am sure you are right. Personally, I am not a big fan of Our Worlds at War, but I can see why you like it and respect your opinion. I am respectful anyone's opinion of an arc and wont start arguing good vs bad stories with people.

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@GundamHeavyarms said:

From what I read on newsarama, superman is going to be more "ailen" this time. I think it might be pretty interesting, I know that he's an alien but I keep forgetting sometimes. They try so hard to make him human people forget that he isn't. This different take on him sounds like a pretty decent idea. It could work.

I was a bit surprised by that as well, because that is really what I thought we were going to get from Supergirl in the re-launch. I have hunch that Supes won't be as "alien" as Newsarama makes us believe.

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From what I read on newsarama, superman is going to be more "ailen" this time.  I think it might be pretty interesting, I know that he's an alien but I keep forgetting sometimes.  They try so hard to make him human people forget that he isn't.  This different take on him sounds like a pretty decent idea.  It could work. 

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@roboticjesus: batmans back breaking was also mentioned in HUSH....... :) but hey doesn't anyone remember Our Worlds At War?!?! i mean Superman literally performed his Greatest feat in that story n went through emotional and physical hell how is that not mentioned in anything recently?? thats really weird n also i thought aside from new krypton that was a massive and at the same time a great story arc fr Supes.
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@Kallarkz said:
The ironic thing too its that its more like 25 years.1986-2011.

Agreed. Very few events in comics outside of what has happened in the last few years, play a role in current continuities. The handful I can think of are Death of Superman, The Killing Joke, Death in the Family, and the various Crises. Very rarely do we hear anything about Bane and him breaking Batman (ironically it was mentioned in the last issue of Secret Six). Continuity is not as important as some people like to believe.

That was the time of the current Superman. people need to actually read the comic before judging.
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@Kallarkz said:
The ironic thing too its that its more like 25 years.1986-2011.

Agreed. Very few events in comics outside of what has happened in the last few years, play a role in current continuities. The handful I can think of are Death of Superman, The Killing Joke, Death in the Family, and the various Crises. Very rarely do we hear anything about Bane and him breaking Batman (ironically it was mentioned in the last issue of Secret Six). Continuity is not as important as some people like to believe.

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"If you are telling me the truth about your identity now. Does that mean that you've been lying to me for years?"-Lois in All Stars Superman. 
 
I agree with the writers of the nineties that Superman lying to lois about his identity isn't in character

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@roboticjesus said:
                   
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I think the negativity towards the re-launch version of Superman and the DCU re-launch overall has to do with a mostly older comic reading audience being scared of change. For example, people like to say that over 75 years of history is being tossed aside. 

This a million times. The main two problems I have seen Superman fans have with this change is first, they are afraid he will not be the most powerful anymore and second he will not be with Lois Lane anymore. First off I think its kind of sad that people focus so much of their interest in Superman only because of his abilities. People should appreciate a character for their story, not how many cars they can lift over their head. I think this fresh new take that Morrison is doing on Superman is excellent. We will see a non-perfect version who is still learning about what it means to be a hero and told from a very great writer. I have not read to this date a title of Superman written by Morrison that was bad. All-Star Superman too me was a very great read and I believe that he has the writing ability to do this character justice.
The ironic thing too its that its more like 25 years.1986-2011.
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This reboot is fine, but once again Dc is hellbent on destroying Superman and  Wonder Woman. Grounded wasnt unpopular because he was married or because his parents were dead, it was unpopular becuase IT SUCKED. That isnt the characters fault, it isnt continuity's faulty, it's hacks like James Robinson and JMS' fault. Quit putting mediocre to poor creative teams on these books and they might have a chance. Some Lois haters who are just horny fanboys and wanna see the farmboy Clark Kent knock boots with Wonder Woman always argue that "the marriage was boring". It wasn't the marriage itself that sucked, IT WAS THE WRITING! Why kill his parents and go through the whole "figure out who Superman is" crap again? To be like old continuity? To match the comics that came out when my parents were kids? My parents are in their 50s! That's the epitome of regressive storytelling! I dont care if he wrote All-Star Superman anymore, Grant Morrison should not be on a mainstream Superman book due to his fetish with EVERYTHING that came before! He's the reason this is happening! He threw a tantrum when DC refused to let him write Superman in the early 2000s because he wouldn't actually follow modern continuity and write Lois and Clark married. When Jeph Loeb has more respect for modern continuity than you, you need to leave the industry. Making clark Kent simply a disguise again is also straight outta Morrison precious silver age, and destroys the whole relatable aspect of him. Making him a brooding orphan, ala batGOD, doesnt make him more relatable, it makes him a completely different character. And ya know what's worse? George Perez has to waste his talents writing these continuity changes! Along with Wonder Woman being written by Azzarello, a writer who wrote his fair share of crap Superman stories, it's like DC could not only care less about the fanbases, but is completely ignorant as a business as to why fans are unhappy with their products.

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I agree with every word you said in this blog. Very cool.

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Here, here, roboticjesus. This revamp is exactly what Superman needs to make him interesting again. "Grounded" has been miserable and "New Krypton" was nothing special. This revamp needed to happen back in 2000 when Grant suggested it the first time. People should be mad at DC for not listening to him back then and forcing him to show them what's what with All-Star Superman.
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@labarith said:

Seriously, did DC look at Marvel and say "You know what people REALLY ENJOYED? One More Day!" Screw you DC.

I enjoyed Superman and Lois a lot more before they were married. From a character development perspective, she was a lot stronger pre-marriage. I cant think of the last time she played a major role in a Superman story (granted I haven't ready the titles every month for a long time until recently).

I think Spider-man and Mary Jane is a different dynamic and not a good comparison.

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Seriously, did DC look at Marvel and say "You know what people REALLY ENJOYED?  One More Day!" 
 
Screw you DC.

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