Storm and Cyclops vs The Fantastic Four

Team 1 takes this. 5 miles part makes a serious difference. Storm reaction time is ridiculous as well as her disantce. I can see her easily taking out sue, before storm is even seen. Cyclops can take out johny and thing

@HolySerpent:

How does Storm easily take out Sue? Storm is definitely not strong enough to actually collapse Sue's shields. So she has no way of hurting her. Not to mention the fact that Sue can turn invisible.

@Afro_Warrior said:

@HolySerpent:

How does Storm easily take out Sue? Storm is definitely not strong enough to actually collapse Sue's shields. So she has no way of hurting her. Not to mention the fact that Sue can turn invisible.

Tornadoes and taking out oxygen. Sue needs to breathe. Storm doesn't need to see the target to hit the target. Storm can sense somebody else's presence through abnormal air movement.

Could Storm remove the air from the area? Not enough to kill but knock out the FF.

People are forgetting it took Sue about a second to remove all the air in Logan's lungs and make him drop to his knees, and then another second to blind him. It is very possible that Sue solos.

why would sue put a forcefield up if she doesn't know her enemy is about to attack her from 5 miles away.

Supposing Sue keeps on shielding the whole FF. Storm can wait til Sue gets tired of doing it. besides, It won't really make Storm get tired id she summons a tornado to give Sue difficulty in keeping the shield.

If Human Torch will fly with anybody like Thing, Storm can trike them with lightning before they can even get near.

As u see it, it would be best that Human Torch would carry Sue as he flies.

The problem is , Storm can create thick fog so they won't be seen and CYke would have a clear view on them and would keep on shooting until HE GETS TIRED. Then Storm's turn with lightning. Sue and HT will tire out from optic blasts and lightning strikes

@HolySerpent said:

why would sue put a forcefield up if she doesn't know her enemy is about to attack her from 5 miles away.

You're basing this on Storm's reaction time, that according to you is so fast it falls into the category of "ridiculous"? Her reaction time isn't even peak. Sue has reacted to attacks by Iron Fist, Gladiator, Namor, Black Bolt and Angrir.

How would she even know where she is from 5 miles away? It's a jungle not a desert not to mention Sue can make the entire team invisible.

@jhazzroucher said:

Supposing Sue keeps on shielding the whole FF. Storm can wait til Sue gets tired of doing it. besides, It won't really make Storm get tired id she summons a tornado to give Sue difficulty in keeping the shield.

If Human Torch will fly with anybody like Thing, Storm can trike them with lightning before they can even get near.

As u see it, it would be best that Human Torch would carry Sue as he flies.

The problem is , Storm can create thick fog so they won't be seen and CYke would have a clear view on them and would keep on shooting until HE GETS TIRED. Then Storm's turn with lightning. Sue and HT will tire out from optic blasts and lightning strikes

Sue's shields restrained a gamma bomb explosion and attacks from multiple Class 100's (including the clone of Thor), but lightning and a tornado will give her trouble? Seriously?

I have no idea why you think Torch would need to carry Sue, she can move through the air on her own power.

The more likely scenario is Sue putting an expanding bubble in their throats or lungs until they pass out.......or simply hammering them into a coma like she did to a Super Skrull in a fit of rage.

Are you saying sue faster than lighting. I don't think she is. Especially when she doesn't see it coming.

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

Supposing Sue keeps on shielding the whole FF. Storm can wait til Sue gets tired of doing it. besides, It won't really make Storm get tired id she summons a tornado to give Sue difficulty in keeping the shield.

If Human Torch will fly with anybody like Thing, Storm can trike them with lightning before they can even get near.

As u see it, it would be best that Human Torch would carry Sue as he flies.

The problem is , Storm can create thick fog so they won't be seen and CYke would have a clear view on them and would keep on shooting until HE GETS TIRED. Then Storm's turn with lightning. Sue and HT will tire out from optic blasts and lightning strikes

Sue's shields restrained a gamma bomb explosion and attacks from multiple Class 100's (including the clone of Thor), but lightning and a tornado will give her trouble? Seriously?

I have no idea why you think Torch would need to carry Sue, she can move through the air on her own power.

The more likely scenario is Sue putting an expanding bubble in their throats or lungs until they pass out.......or simply hammering them into a coma like she did to a Super Skrull in a fit of rage.

And Storm has blown Hulk and Terminus with her powerful wind bursts too.

Sue still needs to breathe so before Sue can find them , if she can, she suffocates. besides, If sue is flying with her shield, it will be pushed or blown away with either Cyclops optic blasts and Storm's wind bursts as they are covered by fog

She doesn't have to be faster then lightning. She just keeps the shields up. 
 
She wont be blown away because she would be braced by her shields and she would also have saved air in her shield. By the time it ran out she would have taken Storm out.

@HolySerpent said:

Are you saying sue faster than lighting. I don't think she is. Especially when she doesn't see it coming.

She doesn't have to be faster than lightning. Many people slower than lightning have dodged Storm's lightning. Are you saying lightning and tornadoes are roughly the same as a gamma bomb explosion? 'Cause they're really not. And neither member of Team 1 has any durability to write home about. Unlike Wolverine, who got put down by a wave of Sue's hand.

@jhazzroucher said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

Supposing Sue keeps on shielding the whole FF. Storm can wait til Sue gets tired of doing it. besides, It won't really make Storm get tired id she summons a tornado to give Sue difficulty in keeping the shield.

If Human Torch will fly with anybody like Thing, Storm can trike them with lightning before they can even get near.

As u see it, it would be best that Human Torch would carry Sue as he flies.

The problem is , Storm can create thick fog so they won't be seen and CYke would have a clear view on them and would keep on shooting until HE GETS TIRED. Then Storm's turn with lightning. Sue and HT will tire out from optic blasts and lightning strikes

Sue's shields restrained a gamma bomb explosion and attacks from multiple Class 100's (including the clone of Thor), but lightning and a tornado will give her trouble? Seriously?

I have no idea why you think Torch would need to carry Sue, she can move through the air on her own power.

The more likely scenario is Sue putting an expanding bubble in their throats or lungs until they pass out.......or simply hammering them into a coma like she did to a Super Skrull in a fit of rage.

And Storm has blown Hulk and Terminus with her powerful wind bursts too.

Sue still needs to breathe so before Sue can find them , if she can, she suffocates. besides, If sue is flying with her shield, it will be pushed or blown away with either Cyclops optic blasts and Storm's wind bursts as they are covered by fog

.....so? Where do Hulk and Terminus match up against people like Angrir and Gladiator?

Sue just creates a bubble from the start when she's 5 miles away. It is logical to assume she does so, considering she's dropped into a combat situation in a hostile environment. It is not logical to somehow assume Storm will decide to remove all the air in her vicinity, let alone 5 miles. Why would she? At least Sue's shields are the defining trait of her powers. Storm's air sucking is not. And why do you keep mentioning optic blasts and wind bursts when they don't match up to the things Sue's shields have taken?

Team one doesn't need durability when the access to far range attacks. Due have scan of someone dodging storms lighting strikes when they Don't See it Coming.

here the thing storm doesnt have to be close to the ff to know where they are. jhonny just turning on his flame woukd be enough to alert storm to the ff location. sue cant do shit if cyke and storm are five miles away in a unknown location. storm drops a f5 and removes all the air.....end of fight.

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

Supposing Sue keeps on shielding the whole FF. Storm can wait til Sue gets tired of doing it. besides, It won't really make Storm get tired id she summons a tornado to give Sue difficulty in keeping the shield.

If Human Torch will fly with anybody like Thing, Storm can trike them with lightning before they can even get near.

As u see it, it would be best that Human Torch would carry Sue as he flies.

The problem is , Storm can create thick fog so they won't be seen and CYke would have a clear view on them and would keep on shooting until HE GETS TIRED. Then Storm's turn with lightning. Sue and HT will tire out from optic blasts and lightning strikes

Sue's shields restrained a gamma bomb explosion and attacks from multiple Class 100's (including the clone of Thor), but lightning and a tornado will give her trouble? Seriously?

I have no idea why you think Torch would need to carry Sue, she can move through the air on her own power.

The more likely scenario is Sue putting an expanding bubble in their throats or lungs until they pass out.......or simply hammering them into a coma like she did to a Super Skrull in a fit of rage.

And Storm has blown Hulk and Terminus with her powerful wind bursts too.

Sue still needs to breathe so before Sue can find them , if she can, she suffocates. besides, If sue is flying with her shield, it will be pushed or blown away with either Cyclops optic blasts and Storm's wind bursts as they are covered by fog

.....so? Where do Hulk and Terminus match up against people like Angrir and Gladiator?

Sue just creates a bubble from the start when she's 5 miles away. It is logical to assume she does so, considering she's dropped into a combat situation in a hostile environment. It is not logical to somehow assume Storm will decide to remove all the air in her vicinity, let alone 5 miles. Why would she? At least Sue's shields are the defining trait of her powers. Storm's air sucking is not. And why do you keep mentioning optic blasts and wind bursts when they don't match up to the things Sue's shields have taken?

Even Storm was the one who kept clone Thor busy and not Sue.

and again, Sue's shield can be moved by Storm's tornado or blown away, spin it round and round

Again doesn't need to dodge it if she keeps her shields up and who is to say Storm would see her first.

@HolySerpent said:

Team one doesn't need durability when the access to far range attacks. Due have scan of someone dodging storms lighting strikes when they Don't See it Coming.

They badly need durability, considering there are two members of the FF who have or can get access to considerable durability, namely Ben and Sue. Your idea of Storm hitting them with lightning while they don't see it coming only makes sense if the FF just stand around gazing at the marvels of the Savage Land while the gap is being closed. Sue makes a force-field at the start of the match. Lightning and optic blasts do not matter anymore. Sue waves her hand and both of them no longer have much use for lungs. No one is surprised.

@jhazzroucher said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

Supposing Sue keeps on shielding the whole FF. Storm can wait til Sue gets tired of doing it. besides, It won't really make Storm get tired id she summons a tornado to give Sue difficulty in keeping the shield.

If Human Torch will fly with anybody like Thing, Storm can trike them with lightning before they can even get near.

As u see it, it would be best that Human Torch would carry Sue as he flies.

The problem is , Storm can create thick fog so they won't be seen and CYke would have a clear view on them and would keep on shooting until HE GETS TIRED. Then Storm's turn with lightning. Sue and HT will tire out from optic blasts and lightning strikes

Sue's shields restrained a gamma bomb explosion and attacks from multiple Class 100's (including the clone of Thor), but lightning and a tornado will give her trouble? Seriously?

I have no idea why you think Torch would need to carry Sue, she can move through the air on her own power.

The more likely scenario is Sue putting an expanding bubble in their throats or lungs until they pass out.......or simply hammering them into a coma like she did to a Super Skrull in a fit of rage.

And Storm has blown Hulk and Terminus with her powerful wind bursts too.

Sue still needs to breathe so before Sue can find them , if she can, she suffocates. besides, If sue is flying with her shield, it will be pushed or blown away with either Cyclops optic blasts and Storm's wind bursts as they are covered by fog

.....so? Where do Hulk and Terminus match up against people like Angrir and Gladiator?

Sue just creates a bubble from the start when she's 5 miles away. It is logical to assume she does so, considering she's dropped into a combat situation in a hostile environment. It is not logical to somehow assume Storm will decide to remove all the air in her vicinity, let alone 5 miles. Why would she? At least Sue's shields are the defining trait of her powers. Storm's air sucking is not. And why do you keep mentioning optic blasts and wind bursts when they don't match up to the things Sue's shields have taken?

Even Storm was the one who kept clone Thor busy and not Sue.

and again, Sue's shield can be moved by Storm's tornado or blown away, spin it round and round

What? It wasn't even the same fight. The one I'm talking about is the debut of Ragnarok. Storm wasn't even there.

Johnny Storm's nova, the same one that blew out a chunk of the Annihilation Wave, didn't push away Sue's shield. So.....probably not gonna happen.

It's not going to be blown away if it's grounded and if they are being stealthy Johnny wont light up for anyone to see. 
She can have the entire team invisible also.

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

Supposing Sue keeps on shielding the whole FF. Storm can wait til Sue gets tired of doing it. besides, It won't really make Storm get tired id she summons a tornado to give Sue difficulty in keeping the shield.

If Human Torch will fly with anybody like Thing, Storm can trike them with lightning before they can even get near.

As u see it, it would be best that Human Torch would carry Sue as he flies.

The problem is , Storm can create thick fog so they won't be seen and CYke would have a clear view on them and would keep on shooting until HE GETS TIRED. Then Storm's turn with lightning. Sue and HT will tire out from optic blasts and lightning strikes

Sue's shields restrained a gamma bomb explosion and attacks from multiple Class 100's (including the clone of Thor), but lightning and a tornado will give her trouble? Seriously?

I have no idea why you think Torch would need to carry Sue, she can move through the air on her own power.

The more likely scenario is Sue putting an expanding bubble in their throats or lungs until they pass out.......or simply hammering them into a coma like she did to a Super Skrull in a fit of rage.

And Storm has blown Hulk and Terminus with her powerful wind bursts too.

Sue still needs to breathe so before Sue can find them , if she can, she suffocates. besides, If sue is flying with her shield, it will be pushed or blown away with either Cyclops optic blasts and Storm's wind bursts as they are covered by fog

.....so? Where do Hulk and Terminus match up against people like Angrir and Gladiator?

Sue just creates a bubble from the start when she's 5 miles away. It is logical to assume she does so, considering she's dropped into a combat situation in a hostile environment. It is not logical to somehow assume Storm will decide to remove all the air in her vicinity, let alone 5 miles. Why would she? At least Sue's shields are the defining trait of her powers. Storm's air sucking is not. And why do you keep mentioning optic blasts and wind bursts when they don't match up to the things Sue's shields have taken?

Even Storm was the one who kept clone Thor busy and not Sue.

and again, Sue's shield can be moved by Storm's tornado or blown away, spin it round and round

What? It wasn't even the same fight. The one I'm talking about is the debut of Ragnarok. Storm wasn't even there.

Johnny Storm's nova, the same one that blew out a chunk of the Annihilation Wave, didn't push away Sue's shield. So.....probably not gonna happen.

Was Sue attached to the ground or on air?

@jhazzroucher said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

Supposing Sue keeps on shielding the whole FF. Storm can wait til Sue gets tired of doing it. besides, It won't really make Storm get tired id she summons a tornado to give Sue difficulty in keeping the shield.

If Human Torch will fly with anybody like Thing, Storm can trike them with lightning before they can even get near.

As u see it, it would be best that Human Torch would carry Sue as he flies.

The problem is , Storm can create thick fog so they won't be seen and CYke would have a clear view on them and would keep on shooting until HE GETS TIRED. Then Storm's turn with lightning. Sue and HT will tire out from optic blasts and lightning strikes

Sue's shields restrained a gamma bomb explosion and attacks from multiple Class 100's (including the clone of Thor), but lightning and a tornado will give her trouble? Seriously?

I have no idea why you think Torch would need to carry Sue, she can move through the air on her own power.

The more likely scenario is Sue putting an expanding bubble in their throats or lungs until they pass out.......or simply hammering them into a coma like she did to a Super Skrull in a fit of rage.

And Storm has blown Hulk and Terminus with her powerful wind bursts too.

Sue still needs to breathe so before Sue can find them , if she can, she suffocates. besides, If sue is flying with her shield, it will be pushed or blown away with either Cyclops optic blasts and Storm's wind bursts as they are covered by fog

.....so? Where do Hulk and Terminus match up against people like Angrir and Gladiator?

Sue just creates a bubble from the start when she's 5 miles away. It is logical to assume she does so, considering she's dropped into a combat situation in a hostile environment. It is not logical to somehow assume Storm will decide to remove all the air in her vicinity, let alone 5 miles. Why would she? At least Sue's shields are the defining trait of her powers. Storm's air sucking is not. And why do you keep mentioning optic blasts and wind bursts when they don't match up to the things Sue's shields have taken?

Even Storm was the one who kept clone Thor busy and not Sue.

and again, Sue's shield can be moved by Storm's tornado or blown away, spin it round and round

What? It wasn't even the same fight. The one I'm talking about is the debut of Ragnarok. Storm wasn't even there.

Johnny Storm's nova, the same one that blew out a chunk of the Annihilation Wave, didn't push away Sue's shield. So.....probably not gonna happen.

Was Sue attached to the ground or on air?

On the ground once and on air in the second instance.

how is sue gonna hit something 5 niles away when she cant even see the attack coming

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

Supposing Sue keeps on shielding the whole FF. Storm can wait til Sue gets tired of doing it. besides, It won't really make Storm get tired id she summons a tornado to give Sue difficulty in keeping the shield.

If Human Torch will fly with anybody like Thing, Storm can trike them with lightning before they can even get near.

As u see it, it would be best that Human Torch would carry Sue as he flies.

The problem is , Storm can create thick fog so they won't be seen and CYke would have a clear view on them and would keep on shooting until HE GETS TIRED. Then Storm's turn with lightning. Sue and HT will tire out from optic blasts and lightning strikes

Sue's shields restrained a gamma bomb explosion and attacks from multiple Class 100's (including the clone of Thor), but lightning and a tornado will give her trouble? Seriously?

I have no idea why you think Torch would need to carry Sue, she can move through the air on her own power.

The more likely scenario is Sue putting an expanding bubble in their throats or lungs until they pass out.......or simply hammering them into a coma like she did to a Super Skrull in a fit of rage.

And Storm has blown Hulk and Terminus with her powerful wind bursts too.

Sue still needs to breathe so before Sue can find them , if she can, she suffocates. besides, If sue is flying with her shield, it will be pushed or blown away with either Cyclops optic blasts and Storm's wind bursts as they are covered by fog

.....so? Where do Hulk and Terminus match up against people like Angrir and Gladiator?

Sue just creates a bubble from the start when she's 5 miles away. It is logical to assume she does so, considering she's dropped into a combat situation in a hostile environment. It is not logical to somehow assume Storm will decide to remove all the air in her vicinity, let alone 5 miles. Why would she? At least Sue's shields are the defining trait of her powers. Storm's air sucking is not. And why do you keep mentioning optic blasts and wind bursts when they don't match up to the things Sue's shields have taken?

Even Storm was the one who kept clone Thor busy and not Sue.

and again, Sue's shield can be moved by Storm's tornado or blown away, spin it round and round

What? It wasn't even the same fight. The one I'm talking about is the debut of Ragnarok. Storm wasn't even there.

Johnny Storm's nova, the same one that blew out a chunk of the Annihilation Wave, didn't push away Sue's shield. So.....probably not gonna happen.

Was Sue attached to the ground or on air?

On the ground once and on air in the second instance.

Scan please.

Oh, and an explosion that would have killed Thor and Gilgamesh was blocked by Sue's shields......yeah, lightning and tornadoes have got nothing on that.

The same thing can be said about Storm not seeing Sue from 5 miles away. 
It's not like they are going to be out in the open. They will be in the jungle and invisible.

@Lord Shiva said:

how is sue gonna hit something 5 niles away when she cant even see the attack coming

Why is everyone basing the case for Team 1's victory on this ridiculous "won't see it coming" idea? When the defining trait of Sue's powers is her shielding, it should be pretty obvious that it's the first thing she'll do when dropped into a combat situation in a hostile environment. And once that shield is up (and it will be up) the fight swings severely to the FF's favor.

@jhazzroucher said:

Scan please.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2110/iwdoom3go6.jpg

Oh and btw, this is how the fight ends:

http://img187.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=08150_Wolverine_-_vol._3_422_page_18_122_445lo.jpg

Sue ftw

invisibility is pointless here. storm can feel movement through the air. once jhonny goes flame on that even more give away to someone who can lightning strike a plane while stnading on the other side of the world.

@Lord Shiva said:

invisibility is pointless here. storm can feel movement through the air. once jhonny goes flame on that even more give away to someone who can lightning strike a plane while stnading on the other side of the world.

What invisibility? We are talking about her shields, why are you bringing up invisibility?

your not the only person posting here sweetie

@Dernman said:

The same thing can be said about Storm not seeing Sue from 5 miles away. It's not like they are going to be out in the open. They will be in the jungle and invisible.

Storm can sense abnormal air movements, that's why i posted a scan from x-men worlds apart.

@CitizenBane said:

@Lord Shiva said:

how is sue gonna hit something 5 niles away when she cant even see the attack coming

Why is everyone basing the case for Team 1's victory on this ridiculous "won't see it coming" idea? When the defining trait of Sue's powers is her shielding, it should be pretty obvious that it's the first thing she'll do when dropped into a combat situation in a hostile environment. And once that shield is up (and it will be up) the fight swings severely to the FF's favor.

@jhazzroucher said:

Scan please.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2110/iwdoom3go6.jpg

Oh and btw, this is how the fight ends:

http://img187.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=08150_Wolverine_-_vol._3_422_page_18_122_445lo.jpg

Sue ftw

They're on the ground. and nothing happened with the ground? I guess HT's power isn't powerful enough to destroy the ground where they're standing.?

Besides, what will keep Sue's shield on the ground when winds can even blow trees away even if the trees roots have clung well to the ground.

@Lord Shiva said:

your not the only person posting here sweetie

I get that. Invisibility is irrelevant. FF win in plain sight or not.

What good is her "sense" when there are many creatures in the savage land and won't know the difference let alone wouldn't be PIS to have pin point control over such a distance.
Again what good is a lightning strike when Sue already has her shields up in the beginning. And if the entire team is her inv shield they won't see Johnny.

@jhazzroucher said:

@Dernman said:

The same thing can be said about Storm not seeing Sue from 5 miles away. It's not like they are going to be out in the open. They will be in the jungle and invisible.

Storm can sense abnormal air movements, that's why i posted a scan from x-men worlds apart.

@CitizenBane said:

@Lord Shiva said:

how is sue gonna hit something 5 niles away when she cant even see the attack coming

Why is everyone basing the case for Team 1's victory on this ridiculous "won't see it coming" idea? When the defining trait of Sue's powers is her shielding, it should be pretty obvious that it's the first thing she'll do when dropped into a combat situation in a hostile environment. And once that shield is up (and it will be up) the fight swings severely to the FF's favor.

@jhazzroucher said:

Scan please.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2110/iwdoom3go6.jpg

Oh and btw, this is how the fight ends:

http://img187.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=08150_Wolverine_-_vol._3_422_page_18_122_445lo.jpg

Sue ftw

They're on the ground. and nothing happened with the ground? I guess HT's power isn't powerful enough to destroy the ground where they're standing.?

Besides, what will keep Sue's shield on the ground when winds can even blow trees away even if the trees roots have clung well to the ground.

I figured that was because it was contained on Doom. You want a better example? Here:

http://i43.tinypic.com/4kgvaq.png

A nova that blew off a solid adamantium cube created by the Molecule Man. And Sue contained it.

.....seriously? Cheesy analogies aside, Sue's shields are about a thousand times more powerful than the roots of a tree. Does that answer your question?

@CitizenBane said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@Dernman said:

The same thing can be said about Storm not seeing Sue from 5 miles away. It's not like they are going to be out in the open. They will be in the jungle and invisible.

Storm can sense abnormal air movements, that's why i posted a scan from x-men worlds apart.

@CitizenBane said:

@Lord Shiva said:

how is sue gonna hit something 5 niles away when she cant even see the attack coming

Why is everyone basing the case for Team 1's victory on this ridiculous "won't see it coming" idea? When the defining trait of Sue's powers is her shielding, it should be pretty obvious that it's the first thing she'll do when dropped into a combat situation in a hostile environment. And once that shield is up (and it will be up) the fight swings severely to the FF's favor.

@jhazzroucher said:

Scan please.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2110/iwdoom3go6.jpg

Oh and btw, this is how the fight ends:

http://img187.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=08150_Wolverine_-_vol._3_422_page_18_122_445lo.jpg

Sue ftw

They're on the ground. and nothing happened with the ground? I guess HT's power isn't powerful enough to destroy the ground where they're standing.?

Besides, what will keep Sue's shield on the ground when winds can even blow trees away even if the trees roots have clung well to the ground.

I figured that was because it was contained on Doom. You want a better example? Here:

http://i43.tinypic.com/4kgvaq.png

A nova that blew off a solid adamantium cube created by the Molecule Man. And Sue contained it.

.....seriously? Cheesy analogies aside, Sue's shields are about a thousand times more powerful than the roots of a tree. Does that answer your question?

but what force will keep it immovable?

and once again, how can Sue not run out of oxygen?

anyway, i really need to sleep. gotta go now. later. : )

@jhazzroucher said:

but what force will keep it immovable?

and once again, how can Sue not run out of oxygen?

anyway, i really need to sleep. gotta go now. later. : )

The force she uses to generate it in the first place. Besides, attacks far more powerful than anything Storm could cook up in this scenario haven't broken Sue's shields or BFR'd her or anything of that sort.

Storm cannot affect the oxygen inside Sue's shields. Sersi couldn't get past it, Jean Grey couldn't get past it. That is the nature of Sue's shields, and Storm isn't manipulating the air inside unless PIS has been turned on. She's navigated space with her shields, it's simply not on the table.

I'm gonna go for the FF I think they got this. Btw couldn't Sue just make a force field around both Storm's and Cyclop's head to cut off their oxygen and get a K.O?(I haven't followed the FF for a while so I don't know what their current powerset is)

@Strider92 said:

I'm gonna go for the FF I think they got this. Btw couldn't Sue just make a force field around both Storm's and Cyclop's head to cut off their oxygen and get a K.O?(I haven't followed the FF for a while so I don't know what their current powerset is)

It's well within her power to do so.

@CitizenBane said:

It's well within her power to do so.

Ouch, well if that's the case I think if you throw the other 3 of the FF in they can take this rather easily then.

How can sue make something when she doesn't even know where Storm and Cyke are locate......for those who haven't read the OP post, this battle start off with each group standing 5 miles away from each other in a jungle.

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FF.
BB

@Lord Shiva said:

How can sue make something when she doesn't even know where Storm and Cyke are locate......for those who haven't read the OP post, this battle start off with each group standing 5 miles away from each other in a jungle.

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Why does she need to know their location to make something? I'm saying this for the third time now, in a combat situation in a hostile environment the first thing that she will do is set up a shield. It is the defining trait of her powers. Storm only knew that Cyclops was coming in Worlds Apart #2 because the Shadow King told her. All her so-called air sensing would have been of no avail without that knowledge. And the Savage Land is populated by hundreds upon hundreds of lifeforms, without PIS Storm isn't going to differentiate the FF from any of them. It doesn't matter who opens the hostilities, FF wins.

@CitizenBane said:

Why does she need to know their location to make something? I'm saying this for the third time now, in a combat situation in a hostile environment the first thing that she will do is set up a shield.

Well hell, that makes things easier for Storm and Cyclops as all they have to do is wait for Sue to exhausted herself. Given that their 5 miles away from each other, Sue is just wasting energy using your tactics to fight, while Storm and Cyke haven't even moved into fighting range. Lord, every brisk wind or slight drop of rain will cause Sue to go into combat mode, exhausting herself even quicker, while Cyke and Storm haven't even left their starting location.

@CitizenBane said:

Storm only knew that Cyclops was coming in Worlds Apart #2 because the Shadow King told her. All her so-called air sensing would have been of no avail without that knowledge.

Okay first of all, he wasn't coming, he was going to Utopia while Storm was still sitting in Wakanda. Also, she found the Blackbird out of the 60,000+ flights a day. on the other side of the world and over a thousand miles away. If he was flying to Wakanda, I can see Storm sensing him once he enter Wakandian air space.....but he was over American territory. The only thing Shadow King told Storm was that he sent Cyke to take/kill Emma, he didn't give her location.

@CitizenBane said:

And the Savage Land is populated by hundreds upon hundreds of lifeforms, without PIS Storm isn't going to differentiate the FF from any of them. It doesn't matter who opens the hostilities, FF wins.

Yeah cause we have tons of dinosaurs in the Savage Land that can just set themselves on fire or cause voids in the air current.

@Lord Shiva said:

Well hell, that makes things easier for Storm and Cyclops as all they have to do is wait for Sue to exhausted herself. Given that their 5 miles away from each other, Sue is just wasting energy using your tactics to fight, while Storm and Cyke haven't even moved into fighting range. Lord, every brisk wind or slight drop of rain will cause Sue to go into combat mode, exhausting herself even quicker, while Cyke and Storm haven't even left their starting location.

You're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking. She takes novas from Johnny Storm and contains people like Gladiator in her shields, but maintaining one while travelling for 5 miles will exhaust her? Seriously, that's what you're implying? Your tactics make no sense whatsoever. There is no risk of exhaustion in this scenario. I mean, come on. Was that seriously what you were angling for?

Okay first of all, he wasn't coming, he was going to Utopia while Storm was still sitting in Wakanda. Also, she found the Blackbird out of the 60,000+ flights a day. on the other side of the world and over a thousand miles away. If he was flying to Wakanda, I can see Storm sensing him once he enter Wakandian air space.....but he was over American territory. The only thing Shadow King told Storm was that he sent Cyke to take/kill Emma, he didn't give her location.

Whatever, he was travelling and she's familiar with the Blackbird, she's steered it with her winds before. There are a hundred times more obstacles on the ground than there are in the air. The point still stands.

Yeah cause we have tons of dinosaurs in the Savage Land that can just set themselves on fire or cause voids in the air current.

The air-sensing was brought up in an attempt to counter Sue turning the Four invisible. Not the shields. She turns the Four invisible, Storm will not be able to differentiate them from the rest of the Savage Land. That requires a degree of finesse with her air-sensing that she's never demonstrated, ever. And before you start going on about Storm's wind control, I said air-sensing.

@CitizenBane said:

You're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking. She takes novas from Johnny Storm and contains people like Gladiator in her shields, but maintaining one while travelling for 5 miles will exhaust her? Seriously, that's what you're implying? Your tactics make no sense whatsoever. There is no risk of exhaustion in this scenario. I mean, come on. Was that seriously what you were angling for?

Uh no, don't put that on me, that was all you. Your the one who came up with the idea that Sue will waste energy by keeping a constant force-field up all the time. Sue taking a hit from Gladiator or withstanding Johnny's nova blast has nothing to do with her constantly maintaining a force-field for hours. Also, do yo have any idea how big 5 miles is and that Storm and Cyke can actually move in and out of that space.

@CitizenBane said:

Whatever, he was travelling and she's familiar with the Blackbird, she's steered it with her winds before. There are a hundred times more obstacles on the ground than there are in the air. The point still stands.

No it doesn't. Your actually think just because she steered the Blackbird with her winds that gives her an automatic find it on the planet? Really!?!?

@CitizenBane said:

The air-sensing was brought up in an attempt to counter Sue turning the Four invisible. Not the shields. She turns the Four invisible, Storm will not be able to differentiate them from the rest of the Savage Land. That requires a degree of finesse with her air-sensing that she's never demonstrated, ever. And before you start going on about Storm's wind control, I said air-sensing.

Oh, so now you wanna use the invisibility? Also, we're totally acting like Johnny flaming on will not tell Storm where the FF are located.

I still dont understand what people are debating about here because if you claim Storm is going all out so would Johny, he has shown the ability to go supernova and planck, either of this would have storm and cyclops as roast duck and sue has to do is put a forcefield on to protect themselves and let Johnny to the killing.

@Lord Shiva said:

Uh no, don't put that on me, that was all you. Your the one who came up with the idea that Sue will waste energy by keeping a constant force-field up all the time. Also, do yo have any idea how big 5 miles is and that Storm and Cyke can actually move in and out of that space.

Heh. Sure, that was my idea. But your hypothesis that maintaining a force-field over that distance will cause Sue to waste energy and get tired is a stupid, desperate point to raise. Especially when she's maintained force-fields during activities that are far more strenuous. I'm not putting anything on you other than the blame for an idiotic notion.

No it doesn't. Your actually think just because she steered the Blackbird with her winds that gives her an automatic find it on the planet? Really!?!?

Oh, really? Weren't you the one arguing just a few minutes ago that Storm could sense voids in the air currents? By that same logic, how does it not make sense that she's acquainted with the measurements of the Blackbird when she's been in, around and manipulated it many times? You can't apply a brand of logic in one scenario and then pretend it doesn't apply elsewhere.

Oh, so now you wanna use the invisibility? Also, we're totally acting like Johnny flaming on will not tell Storm where the FF are located.

I never used the invisibility because the shields alone are enough to hand the Four the win. A point about her invisibility was disputed, and I responded to that. If Sue DID turn the Four invisible, that obviously implies they're taking the silent approach. Why would Johnny flame on in that scenario? You're not making any sense. Note that I'm not advocating this scenario (because it's unnecessary), I'm just running through it because it was raised and you decided to dispute it.

@Killemall said:

I still dont understand what people are debating about here because if you claim Storm is going all out so would Johny, he has shown the ability to go supernova and planck, either of this would have storm and cyclops as roast duck and sue has to do is put a forcefield on to protect themselves and let Johnny to the killing.

I don't think this is bloodlust.