Silver Surfer and the Phoenix Five Gauntlet

Silver Surfer comes to aid the Avengers after they get (another) beatdown by the P5. However, SS only fights them one-on-one and SS fights with no morals. Can the SS defeat any of the P5 even though they have 20% of the Phoenix's power?

Round 1- Magik

Round 2- Colossus

Round 3- Namor

Round 4- White Queen

Round 5- Cyclops

I can't remember can SS be mind f*cked

Silver Surfer should be able to beat any indivudually.

Nevermind read up on it so he can't get past 4.

Any of the P5 solos.

why is Cyclops considered the most powerful when he is by far the weakest without the pf? so in the forums settings, everyone has 1/5 of the phoenix power and their old powers don't stack? ( just asking) due to feats? Cause without the pf that list goes completely in the opposite direction...IMO. ( with scott at the bottom) What happens to Magik's Limbo connection or Colossus Cyttorak upgrade ?

The surfer has problems with Thor usually...3 of the 5 p5 have casually beat him up.

@chiq said:

why is Cyclops considered the most powerful when he is by far the weakest without the pf? so in the forums settings, everyone has 1/5 of the phoenix power and their old powers don't stack? ( just asking) due to feats? Cause without the pf that list goes completely in the opposite direction...IMO. ( with scott at the bottom) What happens to Magik's Limbo connection or Colossus Cyttorak upgrade ?

The surfer has problems with Thor usually...3 of the 5 p5 have casually beat him up.

I loved when Magik brought a piece of Limbo to earth

@chiq said:

why is Cyclops considered the most powerful when he is by far the weakest without the pf? so in the forums settings, everyone has 1/5 of the phoenix power and their old powers don't stack? ( just asking) due to feats? Cause without the pf that list goes completely in the opposite direction...IMO. ( with scott at the bottom) What happens to Magik's Limbo connection or Colossus Cyttorak upgrade ?

The surfer has problems with Thor usually...3 of the 5 p5 have casually beat him up.

I don't know that I'd say they casually beat him up. Emma's telepathy still couldn't bring him down, and he did manage to smash her diamond form, even though she eventually won.

And Namor was definitely winning, but Thor was still standing after a few hits.

I'm not sure he could beat any of them, but the Surfer probably puts up a good fight.

@ripcurl: Well surfer is uber powerful, but I just don't see too many herald level people doing what they did to Thor w/ the Avengers backing him up. Blocking his hammer w/ a pinky or shrugging of a blow to the back of head by Thor with momentum. Namor also snapped Rulk's arm like a twig. Demon colossus or Hulk hasn't done that. Emma manhandling Thor in the end. add to that all the other esoteric powers they have tp, tk, matter manipulation, regen, etc...

Surfer kinda struggled with Nekkrod too similar to how Thor struggled with Namor with the Defenders and the Avengers backing them up.

@chiq said:

@ripcurl: Well surfer is uber powerful, but I just don't see too many herald level people doing what they did to Thor w/ the Avengers backing him up. Blocking his hammer w/ a pinky or shrugging of a blow to the back of head by Thor with momentum. Namor also snapped Rulk's arm like a twig. Demon colossus or Hulk hasn't done that. Emma manhandling Thor in the end. add to that all the other esoteric powers they have tp, tk, matter manipulation, regen, etc...

Surfer kinda struggled with Nekkrod too similar to how Thor struggled with Namor with the Defenders and the Avengers backing them up.

Yeah, agreed. He shouldn't have though. Marvel hyped up the "chosen" way too much imo. Surfer should've been able to beat any of them solo.

Current Silver Surfer oneshotted Cancerverse Thor, which is a similar version of 616. Crushed BRB and speedblitzed Nova Prime, take hits from Galactus. Current SS can easily solo the entire team.

3 at best