Nolan Batman vs Nite Owl

Round 1: Full gadgets

Round 2: Hand to hand

Round 3: Costume contest

Not really aware of Night-Owl's feats. Someone fill me in?

Round 1: The Bat

Round 2: Nite Owl

Round 3: Batzz

Bats all rounds.

@thanofleeze: Night Owl for round one. Come on, Archimedes was easily more impressive than anything in Baleman's arsenal. Additionally he carried a laser beam around on his belt that he used to cut through the chair Ozy threw at him.

Not sure about round two. Night Owl was very impressive in the prison. However, I think Baleman overall has more combat feats between his three films. I give round two to Baleman.

Baleman for round three. I just like his costume more. I did think they translated the comic costumes to the big screen brilliantly in watchmen though.

Bruce for all rounds

Batman

"Nite-Owl"

Batman

1. Nite-Owl
2. Nite-Owl Stomps
3. Hmmm, well, I liked the Batman Begins suit well enough so I guess Batman

Nite Owl

Batman can easily take this in all rounds.

Took this kick from a meta and got up afterwards

@silent_bomber: I re-watched Watchmen, not really impressive enough to win H2H.

He's an entire tier level above Baleman.

@silent_bomber: Technically Oz isn't meta. He's comic book ridiculous Peak Human. He's based on Peter Cannon who learned to use his full physical and mental potential through meditation on ancient scrolls written by wise men.

I didn't read any of "Before Watchmen" but technically its all retcon and didn't exist when the movie came out, so if there is something about Ozy being "meta" in there it's non-canon to the film.

The comic bears no relevance to the movie due to a whole bunch of huge changes to the fight scenes.

Comic book Ozy is Peak human (in fact without "Before Watchmen", maybe not even that), movie Ozy is low meta IMO

Nite-Owl, Rorschach, and Silk Specter are all arguably low street in the comic, they have no feats at all outside of beating up like two or three street thugs each, and they beat the street thugs primarily by using real-world self defense tactics.

As such, Ozy beating Rorschach & Nite-Owl simultaneously, and one-shotting Silk Specter can barely even be considered feats.

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In the movie Rorschach can leap like two or three times further than a normal human, he can tank punches which would be comparable to being hit by a car in the head at 15-20 miles an hour, and he can beat down 5 policemen simultaneously (before getting overwhelmed when the next 5 turn up), none of this applies to the comic book version.

Silk Specter can easily kick people several meters through the air with extreme force.

Nite-Owl's punches lift grown men a foot off the floor, he one-shots everyone he runs into with bone destroying punches, and he tanks a kick from Ozy that sends him flying several foot backwards.

The Comedian punches through brick without noticing.

There is no way in hell that the movie versions of any of these characters are less than peak human, and Ozy completely crushes them all, he fights Nite-Owl and Rorschach simultaneously with ease, and one-shots Silk Specter whilst on the ground.

A peak human would not be able to fight two peak humans in H2H simultaneously without any effort, nor one-shot one IMO.

@silent_bomber: Ozy had the bullet catch in both versions. Not even a peak human should be able to come anywhere close to that feat. However, Ozy does because comic book/comic movie peak human =/= actual peak human.

What the hell guys?

Night Owl easily stomps H2H there is absolutely no feat from Baleman to suggest he can beat someone who can send someone flying with kicks, who one shotted everyone he came across, the dude broke an arm in half with a single punch. What a joke.

The other two rounds are a toss-up but I don't see how anyone can watch the two movies and possibly say Baleman stands a chance in H2H.

Yep, comic book "Peak human" does not mean as good as a real world human can be, its supposed to be some kind of fictional genetically perfect version of what humanity may one day be able to achieve (or something to that effect).

Normal, impressive real world humans would be athlete level (ie ~mid street)

The characters in the Watchmen movie clearly don't resemble real world humans in capabilities, Rorschach can jump twice as far as a normal human, and take kicks twice as strong as ones which would unarguably kill a human 100% of the time.

No he isn't.

@silent_bomber:

The characters in the Watchmen movie clearly don't resemble real world humans in capabilities

And the characters in the Nolanverse do? Batman survived a fall from a skyscraper relatively unharmed.

Lol Batman has shown to be way more skilled than Nite Owl.Surprised @shroudofsorrow hasn't shown yet

@silent_bomber: Do not even try to claim that his cape helped his fall, because if you look closely it didn't do much. Clearly the Nolanverse physics are more far fetched than you believe.

Because of fictional hyper-effective armour and a cape.

Also his body is stated as being a wreck in DKR, when he only ever did like one year odd of Batman service before quitting, so he's clearly not coming out of these events unscathed at all, he just has extremely high pain tolerance.

Actually, to be honest every time I see the video I feel more and more the opposite.

His descent has clearly slowed down significantly by the time he hits the car.

@silent_bomber: His durability was a factor too. It was stated in TDKR that he was a wreck, but as soon as he put on the batsuit he had no trouble fighting Bane's men ("trained killers"), evading an entire police force and aim dodging agsinst two mercenaries with AK-47's (physically he shouldn't have been capable and been shot). Then during the pit sequence, he healed his injuries to perfect health in a matter of months (something which has been criticized). Clearly he had unrealistic durability, because every time it was stated he was physically incapable, it was not reflected in his time as Batman (besides the first Bane fight). He may have gotten slower during the fall, but he still impacted. It does not change the fact that the feat was nonsenical.

1. Baleman

2. Nite Owl

3. Leaning towards Nite Owl

Round 1 - Batman. I wasnt impressed by Night Owls gadgets, but Nolanbats has some good ones

Round 2 - Night Owl Stomps Batman. Night Owl breaks dudes arms and legs with no effort. Batman is a very good fighter in the nolan Verse, but I never walked away saying "WOW, this dudes a beast" like I did with Night Owl or even Bane.

Round 3 - I like Batman's suit more

1. Nite Owl

2. Nite Owl

3. Tie, they both have cool costumes, just in different ways. But, Nite Owl's does have more style.

People dont give Nite Owl enough credit. That guy was a beast, and this is him past his prime. He showed fast combat speed and nearly superhuman strength, not to mention very good durability. Just being able to take a kick from Ozy is a feat in itself. Ozy kicks like a horse.

Batman batman batman. Being able to do a flying kick doesn't make him better.

Batman batman batman. Being able to do a flying kick doesn't make him better.

@silent_bomber: true they would look superhuman to us but he didnt do anything that movie cap couldnt do with a little practice and he is a peak human. By watchmen/dc standards ozy would be peak human right?

Batman after a hard fight.

Well, apart from the bullet catch, I'd have to agree.

Though I think the film actually indicates if anything, that Ozy is going easy on them, he didn't seem like he wanted to fight.

How about I just say "borderline Meta"

The thing is, as I said earlier, Ozy looks to me to be very noticeably above Nite-Owl and Silk Spectre in stats, and I just can't see them being realistically considered less than peak themselves, heck I would argue they look respectably peak.

If Nite-Owl is well into the peak range, where does that leave Ozy? only half a level above him? doesn't seem enough to me.

Batman

Nite-Owl

Nite-Owl

@silent_bomber: oh ozy was definitely going easy on him. but he has never stopped maintaining himself physically and mentally so he is in the position to look much better than the other watchmen

Nite-Owl clearly stomps in a dance off.

As shown in the picture.

1. Nite Owl

2. Nite Owl

3. Batman

lmao, he's gettin down.

Nite-Owl.

Nite-Owl.

Batman.

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