Hit vs Guldo (equalized stats)

Both are in character and the fight takes place in a large dense forest on namek.

Both will have a power level of 50,000.

Both are teleported to the forest on opposite ends and are told to kill the other combatant.

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Guldo's time stop is far more impressive, but Hit ovbiously has far superior skill. If we completely ignore Hit improving, I say Guldo wins

Spite guldo gets stomped he has to hold his breath to skip time . hit jumps .1 second and wrecks

Hit stomps once Guldo has to breathe for more air.

Guldo stomps. With equal stats he could literally freeze time, hit him with a ki blast, and there is f all Hit can do about it. If one hit *cough* is not enough, he can just do it again.

Can Guldo even fire ki blasts? I don't think he's ever done it in the manga.

On topic: Hit wins. Guldo was a joke.

He clearly showed intention to do so, but he "ran out of energy", which to me seems like PIS. It even surprised him personally, so it is not something that usually happens to him.

Also, IF ki blasts don't work, nothing stops him from beating Hit into a bloody pulp until he is out of air, get out of sight, breathe, and do it again. His ability is really broken.

Guldo had to job, with equals stats and no PIS there is no way he loses. He would have won against Gohan and Krillin, who are likely to have had higher PL's than him, and only lost because Vegeta interfered.

What answer does Hit have against being frozen in place? People are just picking him because he is way cooler.

@cpt_nice:

He clearly showed intention to do so, but he "ran out of energy", which to me seems like PIS. It even surprised him personally, so it is not something that usually happens to him.

We don't know what Guldo was going to do. He could have been trying to use TK or some other weird technique, and he didn't run out of energy, he ran out of breath. That doesn't qualify as PIS.

Also, IF ki blasts don't work, nothing stops him from beating Hit into a bloody pulp until he is out of air, get out of sight, breathe, and do it again. His ability is really broken.

How will he do that? He can barely hold his breath for more than a few seconds, and afterwards, he will be completely helpless against Hit, assuming he actually uses his ability first, that is.

Guldo had to job, with equals stats and no PIS there is no way he loses. He would have won against Gohan and Krillin, who are likely to have had higher PL's than him, and only lost because Vegeta interfered.

He didn't have to job and that wasn't PIS. Even the other members of the Ginyu Squad thought he was pathetic and only kept him on the team for his unique ability. The reason Krillin and Gohan lost wasn't because of Time Stop.

What answer does Hit have against being frozen in place? People are just picking him because he is way cooler.

It isn't in character for Guldo to use that off the bat. What answer does Guldo have to Hit attacking his vital points? The only reason he didn't kill Vegeta and Goku was because of the tournament rules.

hit can skip time for 0.1 sec, guldo can do it for several seconds.

@thedarkpaladin:

We don't know what Guldo was going to do. He could have been trying to use TK or some other weird technique,

Not impossible, but literally minutes after that he uses tk just fine so I find that hard to believe.

and he didn't run out of energy, he ran out of breath.

Clearly you did not listen very well, because he says so at 7.51.

That doesn't qualify as PIS.

I say it does. He did not use any energy consuming act before that, and the fact that he wanted to use ki blasts and was surprised himself he couldn't, clearly means that normally it would have worked.

How will he do that?

By connecting his fist to Hit's face.

He can barely hold his breath for more than a few seconds

He did it twice for 30 seconds and once for 28 seconds. Hardly a few seconds. If he wasn't busy monologing, as anime characters do, he could have put the smack down on them.

he will be completely helpless against Hit

Why? Their stats are entirely equal. The only issue is Hit's own time manipulation and frankly, Guldo's abilities are plain better and he relies on them way more, while Hit is more prone to relying on his freakish strength.

Even the other members of the Ginyu Squad thought he was pathetic and only kept him on the team for his unique ability.

You kinda just strengthen my point with that. Guldo had piss poor stats (as in low PL) but was allowed on the prestiguous Ginyu Force anyway because of his broken powers, allowing him to beat much tougher opponents. If he is actually facing someone with equals powerlevel, he is bound to stomp.

The reason Krillin and Gohan lost wasn't because of Time Stop.

They could have lost to it but didn't because of PIS and didn't lose to tk because of Plot (Vegeta in this case)

It isn't in character for Guldo to use that off the bat.

And how do you know that? Because he did not do i immediately in the one fight we saw of him, it suddenly is not IC for him not to use it asap?

What answer does Guldo have to Hit attacking his vital points

Blocking his hits, because they are equal in PL. Hit won't get a decent opening.

@cpt_nice:

Not impossible, but literally minutes after that he uses tk just fine so I find that hard to believe.

In the manga, he stated that he couldn't hit them while time is frozen because it takes up too much power.

Clearly you did not listen very well, because he says so at 7.51.

Clearly, you have never read the manga, because if you did, you would know he never said that.

I say it does.

I say it doesn't.

He did not use any energy consuming act before that, and the fact that he wanted to use ki blasts and was surprised himself he couldn't, clearly means that normally it would have worked.

Again, we don't even know if he was planning to use a ki blast, nor do we know if he was out of energy simply due to Time Freeze. Not that he ever says this in the manga...

By connecting his fist to Hit's face.

...He can't punch Hit while time is frozen.

He did it twice for 30 seconds and once for 28 seconds. Hardly a few seconds. If he wasn't busy monologing, as anime characters do, he could have put the smack down on them.

It was never mentioned how long he held his breath, and anime time frames are often Innacurate.

You kinda just strengthen my point with that. Guldo had piss poor stats (as in low PL) but was allowed on the prestiguous Ginyu Force anyway because of his broken powers, allowing him to beat much tougher opponents. If he is actually facing someone with equals powerlevel, he is bound to stomp.

We don't know what opponents he beat. They could have been far weaker than Guldo for all we know. We can only make assumptions.

They could have lost to it but didn't because of PIS and didn't lose to tk because of Plot (Vegeta in this case)

That wasn't PIS.... He said himself that attacking while time is frozen uses too much power. Hit doesn't have that problem and can easily just attack his vitals.

And how do you know that?

Because he didn't use it until there was no other option.

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Blocking his hits, because they are equal in PL. Hit won't get a decent opening.

How will he do this? He has zero knowledge on Hit's ability. He won't do any better than Frost.

@thedarkpaladin:

Except in the manga, he also makes the same gesture usually associated with ki blasts. The dialogue is just different.

Also, if he can't hit himWHILE time is frozen, nothing prevents him from using a ki blast right after time is unfrozen, or moving to Hit's back and hitting him in the back of the face before he even knows what happens.

It was never mentioned how long he held his breath, and anime time frames are often Innacurate.

Even in the manga he was clearly talking to himself for an extended period of time. A few seconds is lowballing.

Now to be fair, I will concede him using tk right off the bat, as according to Recoome he never uses it. But if properly pressured, such as with Gohan and Krillin, he could still resort to it.

Hit. Guldo has no way of putting him down. Not with those pathetic techniques. Hit knows exactly where to strike. One hit is all he really needs, even at equal PL's.

@cpt_nice:

Except in the manga, he also makes the same gesture usually associated with ki blasts. The dialogue is just different.

Yes, the gesture is the same, but that doesn't prove he wasn't going to use another technique. By what logic would he be able to use ki blasts if he can't use normal attacks?

Also, if he can't hit himWHILE time is frozen, nothing prevents him from using a ki blast right after time is unfrozen, or moving to Hit's back and hitting him in the back of the face before he even knows what happens.

This is assuming that

1. Guldo is capable of using ki blasts.
2. Guldo manages to attack before Hit.
3. Guldo will have enough strength to attack Hit right after he runs out of breath.
4. That his attacks will be able to put Hit down before he gets killed.

Even in the manga he was clearly talking to himself for an extended period of time. A few seconds is lowballing.

You are aware that talking is a free action troupe in comics/manga, right?

Now to be fair, I will concede him using tk right off the bat, as according to Recoome he never uses it. But if properly pressured, such as with Gohan and Krillin, he could still resort to it.

Yes, but this is assuming that he will survive Hit's initial attack.

@cpt_nice: Great post

@thedarkpaladin: Well to be fair all Guldo has to do is use TK after his time stop and there is nothing Hit could do to him.

However at the same time we don't know if time stop would really have a much of an effect on Hit. We've yet to see two time stoppers fight each other in Dragon Ball.

That isn't an in character move for Guldo. Reccome even says Guldo never uses it. lol

@thedarkpaladin: Well I'm pretty sure he wouldn't forget about his signature TK just because he hardly ever needs to use it. In the grand scheme of things Guldo was actually a pretty powerful character. Not just anyone could become a member of the Ginyu Force. They were the most powerful group of Mercanaries in all of Universe 7. Even Vegeta knew he was dangerous. It's likely Guldo didn't have to use TK because either he'd time stop and the Ginyu force would finish off the person left in an awkward position. Or he'd finish his enemies off after the time stop ended. This is all speculation of course but eitherway Guldo could've potentially ended the Frieza Saga on his own if Vegeta didn't step in. We don't know if Goku would've been able to become an SSJ if the Ginyu Force had killed off Krillin and Gohan. A whole lot of would've changed.

Also Hit literally can't one shot him because power levels are equal.

@mee09:

Well I'm pretty sure he wouldn't forget about his signature TK just because he hardly ever needs to use it. In the grand scheme of things Guldo was actually a pretty powerful character.

When we debate characters on the Battle forum, we generally assume they are fighting in character, unless OP says otherwise. Guldo was pathetic, he just had some good hax, which means nothing if he can't properly utilize it.

Not just anyone could become a member of the Ginyu Force. They were the most powerful group of Mercanaries in all of Universe 7. Even Vegeta knew he was dangerous.

The rest of the Ginyu Force thought he was lame and only kept him around because of his ability. He wasn't even taken seriously by Vegeta. Lol

It's likely Guldo didn't have to use TK because either he'd time stop and the Ginyu force would finish off the person left in an awkward position. Or he'd finish his enemies off after the time stop ended. This is all speculation of course but eitherway Guldo could've potentially ended the Frieza Saga on his own if Vegeta didn't step in. We don't know if Goku would've been able to become an SSJ if the Ginyu Force had killed off Krillin and Gohan. A whole lot of would've changed.

This is a lot of speculation. Even if Guldo managed to kill Gohan and Krillin, there is no guarantee that he would have beaten Vegeta.

Also Hit literally can't one shot him because power levels are equal.

Hit is an assassin. He generally fights to kill and even attacks the vital points. If it wasn't for the tournament rules, he would have easily killed Vegeta and Goku. He knocked Frost out cold with a few attacks.

so now guldo can't use Ki blasts?

He's never used them before. Why should we assume he can?

Guldo would win if he gets the jump on a put of breath guldo, better fighter in every regard, but guldo could kill hit with time stop and with a bunch of sharp edged namek trees.

Hit's hax offers free hits on an equal opponent, Guldo's offers free kills on multiple far superior opponents at once. If he can hold way stronger people like Krillin and Gohan completely still while he murders them, then of course he can do it to someone much closer to his actual level.

@thelocust619: i do not get it, hit was not going for kills because it was against the rules or something, if he wanted to he coouldd kill people with that ability easily

@the_happy_wendingo: We have no clue what "going for the kill" means when the only thing we've ever seen him do is just punch people...and so far as we know, he does it with a MASSIVE power advantage (we know this because of the astronomical gap between him and the other 4 strongest runner-ups in his entire universe).

In other words, a mere statement that he was holding back doesn't really add anything new here...all it shows is that he was still stronger than Goku at the time. Here, Guldo is his EQUAL, and his abilities allow him to utterly overpower opponents far stronger than he is (evidented in completely immobilizing Gohan and Krillin for his killshot).

Almost every semi-relevant character in the entire series is stronger than Guldo. By power levels, scrubs like Kui were stronger if im remembering correctly. His entire career description is beating people stronger than himself just to pull his weight...and this time his opponent is essentially as weak as he is.

Hit still wins. TK is the only argument being made for Guldo here, and the manga specifically states that it's not an in character move for him to use.

There is also no substantial evidence to back up Gohan and Krillin being "far stronger" as well, since Guldo has no stated power level.

With this scenario, Hit wins because he can sense power levels. That is the undisputable advantage. Gulldo will have a hard time finding Hit, but the trained assassin will have no issue locating and murdering his target. Even a completely battle competent Gulldo would lose at equal power with Hit unless their power levels are reduced close to normal human levels between 1 and 50ish. I say this because if I were to find someone standing completely still who was exactly as strong as me, and I punched them as hard as I could in their throat, they'd die immediately.

So yeah. Being able to sense Ki gives Hit the win despite Gulldo's time stopping power being better.

Hit still stomps. He's massively more skilled than him.

The only part which is more impressive on Guldo is his time stop, but Hit has a far more deadly combat style.

Even with his longer time-stop, Guldo is incompetent, unskilled, and lacks Hit's repertoire of techniques. Hit takes this with ease.