DMS Kakashi vs. EOS Jugram & Uryu

The Quincy Pair have knowledge and 1 hour prep.
Kakashi Sensei has no knowledge or prep.

With knowledge and prep they could make a plan for either of them getting Kamuied then reversing it back to Kakashi...since that's the only way they're ever touching him. If not, Kakashi blitzes

Aren't Bleach duo's powers direct counter to Kakashi's powers? Yet they still have knowledge and prep, not a fair match imo

Kakashi

Either Quincy solos, both can endure a Kamui Raikiri if it affects them at all which it should in the first place due to their spacial distortion durability, both can come back from the Kamui dimension and both can reverse the damage dealt to them back at Kakashi who can’t endure it.

Duo they have reflect.

Quincy duo wins due to knowledge and prep.

With knowledge and prep they could probably come up with a plan to reverse a kamui back onto kakashi. They don’t have anything else than can do though.

@leothegreatest: they have special distortion durability feats? Any chance you got them bc I don’t remember either of them going against someone with the same power set as kakashi (was there anyone besides Lille who had stuff like that in the tybw?) in the final arc but I haven’t read the arc in a few years so I could just be forgetting something important.

They work by reversing damage and events, they dont need feats of doing that with Kamui or abilities similar to it. Is it an event? It is. Does it deal damage? It does. Thats all there is to it.

Quincy duo pretty easily, too hax.

@wanderez: huh? He said that kamui might not work on them because of their spacial durability. So I was just asking for feats. I already acknowledged that they can reverse events and that’s how they would beat kakashi but he’s saying that kamui might just not work on them.

@co-boss: Oh, mb then.

Kubo had such beautiful illustrations man.

His volume covers are very good.

@co-boss:

They scale to be be far above HM Ichigo who tanked Grimmjows space distorting Gran Rey Cero so it can be argued that Kamui’s distortions wouldn’t affect them.

Jugram solos via balance, Ishida solos via antithesis.

@leothegreatest: I don’t remember grimmjows slash doing anything impressive besides slicing through space, like doing things like warping objects or anything let alone tearing through someone as strong as Kaguya. A case can be made but I don’t really think that scaling to grimmjow is going to stop them from getting their body parts sent to the kamui dimension

Also that’s kinda a weird scaling as neither are really like ichigo in terms of classifications (ig if wanted to compare it to dragon ball scaling with Ki, but unlike dragon ball rietsu isn’t really the only thing that shows strength in bleach and larger reitsu doesn’t mean hax resistance like dragon ball has shown either) and spacial distortion isn’t exactly something you just scale through base durability

sorta, he counters them just as well. the best counter to their scriffs are abilities that can instantly one shot so they dont have time to redirect the damage. If kakashi goes for the kamui decapitation like he usually does then there isnt really anything the can do.

prep and knowledge make the fight winnable since they can exploit his weakness like the time limit on intangibility.

lol no, wtf?

how would that even make sense?

bleach team does not need any prep or knowledge they just reflect what kakashi does back at him. Either Quincy can take him

@whatamiseeing: they can't when they're dead.

@whatamiseeing: without prep it would really depend if kakashi goes for kill shots, because if he just tore off their heads they couldn’t really reflect. With prep they will have come up with a plan to guarantee non fatal shots at least.

@manimalman:

Kamui causes spacial distortions that send objects into another dimension. Characters weaker than Hastchwalth and Uryu have no sold spacial distortions.

Kamui tears space it doesn't distort it. Guy moving was a distortion in space.

Tearing is a level above it's like spacial magic in BC.

@co-boss: that would work for Uryu but not Jugram. All effects get redirected to Jugrams shield. If Kakashi tries to kamui Jugram the shield takes it instead and that effect is reflected on Kakashi.

@quincy-q: Uryu could die but Jugram no

They don't stand a chance if we are using the forbidden version of Kakashi. I'm not talking about DMS kakashi, I'm not even talking about DEMS Kakashi, I'm talking true SO6P God-King Kakashi.

True he can use Kamui to one-shot but even if he connects, either of them can just reverse the damage back to kill him.

TBH this matchup just isn't fair, unless only Kakashi has prep(still think he would lose tho). He can most likely beat them in 1v1 but together I just can't see him winning. If he does damage to either of them he is only killing himself in the grand scheme of things.

is close to impossible for Kakashi to win, lets assume kakashi goes for the head kill and kills Ishida, Jugram would just use the Balance and kakashi would die, if Kakashi kills jugram then Ishida would just reverse it and kill kakashi and this is the best scenario for kakashi because jugram nor ishida are fodders to stand still and actually get hit with Kamui, this is also assuming Kamui can actually tear Jugram or Ishida Blut, fodders like Grimmjow and HM ichigo can already tank Space distortion without even a scratch.

kakashi dies 99.99999999999999% of the time, adding prep for Quincy team is just a stomp

@invadedtbd: they're not reversing anything if they're already dead. if jugram gets decapitated then that's it for him. There might be him being able to use the balance to save uryu but AFAIK he's never demonstrated the ability use it like that.

I think they beat him with prep but they'd be screwed without it.

@whatamiseeing: I honestly forgot about Jugram's shield. Why didn't he start his fight with Uryu with it out?

@co-boss: for the fight to be even maybe

@co-boss:

Because he was using Yhwach's schrift-almighty at that point, so he kept his own schrift in his pocket.

@godgate:

I don't know why but that kakashi art gave me goosebumps, I want So6p JuubiKashi now, I dont mind if he becomes a villain getting it.

true if it were a 1v1 then yeah they could get one-shot, but its not a 1v1. If he decapitates Jugram then Uyru can just use the antithesis to switch it to Kakashi and if he tried to decapitate Uryu, Jugram just does the same as the other scenario but with the balance.

In a random encounter for both sides I still think they take.

Even with prep for Kakashi I feel like he would lose because like I said he cant one-shot either of them without oneshotting himself. If the battle draws out that would be in the favor of the Quincys, as Jugram will use the balance to keep the playing field even or just distribute the accumulated damage back to Kakashi with his shield.

@saxz: lol, your feeling his power radiate through the screen bud.

Even if it's no prep and knowledge, and 1v1, Kakashi still has difficulty blitzing because Uryu can just shoot an arrow somewhere then instantly swap it with Kakashi (like how he did to Yhwach)

If kakashi does anything but a headshot to both of them, he gets fucked

Why do people wank DMS Kakashi so much? He's not that tough

antithesis gg

Bleach fighters can solo

Duo should win under these conditions unless Kakashi blitzes off their heads before they can react

@invadedtbd said:

Still this. If Kakashi one shots either of them, he is only killing himself due to "The Antithesis" or "The Balance" damage reflection.