#1 Posted by supermandefender (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

No rules, No morals, Nothing holding either of them back. Anything to win. Who takes it.

#2 Posted by BringnIt (3809 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't read DC, but after checking out the wiki on Mr. Scott, Surfer hits him with the power of a thousand toothpicks.

#3 Posted by beatboks1 (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@BringnIt said:

I don't read DC, but after checking out the wiki on Mr. Scott, Surfer hits him with the power of a thousand toothpicks.

then the wiki you checked seriously needs updating. he hasn't had a weakness to wood since 1982 and the sentinel upgrade. He has since then had 4 stories only showing a weakness, all retconned by Johns to be so because he was tired after long battles and believed he had the weakness, as a way of explaining poor writer .

The power cosmic at full levels vs the power of the starheart should be a good match. Both can draw on almost limitless power, both have a multitude of applications. Both are capable of regeneration (Alan once regrew an eye at will), matter and energy manipulation/transmutation, time manipulation, Blast, Super Speed, Telepathy, and blasting and shielding. At his peaks the reality warping of a starheart possessed Alan might be an advantage but that's only Bloodlusted. Too close to call

#4 Posted by BringnIt (3809 posts) - - Show Bio

@beatboks1: It's actually just the standard wiki under powers and abilities. Thanks for the info, though. I just found it amusing when I read it.

#5 Posted by slick23 (460 posts) - - Show Bio

Dont believe what wiki tells you...

#7 Posted by King Saturn (223723 posts) - - Show Bio

Alan Scott with control of the Starheart power will make it very interesting against the Silver Surfer.

#8 Edited by 202122 (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

no one has actually answered but i think Surfer takes it

#9 Posted by King Saturn (223723 posts) - - Show Bio

I will take Silver Surfer over Alan Scott 64 out of 100 battles probability.

#10 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (4786 posts) - - Show Bio

Great battle. I think it could go either way.

#11 Edited by beatboks1 (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

The fact that it's bloodlusted makes this an Alan Scot stomp.

A blood lusted Alan soloed all DC Earth and completely controlled the likes of Dr Fate, Obsidian, Miss Martian and others

#12 Posted by GhostRider2 (3228 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh come on, Silver Surfer can handle any lantern.

#13 Posted by Saren (25217 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh come on, Alan can handle any herald.

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#14 Posted by GhostRider2 (3228 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh come on, Alan can handle any herald.

Oh yes im sure...

#15 Posted by Saren (25217 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane said:

Oh come on, Alan can handle any herald.

Oh yes im sure...

Your certainty sets my heart aquiver.

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#16 Edited by SSJ4Hulk (194 posts) - - Show Bio

SS wins. Bloodlusted Surfer is scary.

#17 Posted by beatboks1 (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostrider29

@citizenbane said:

Oh come on, Alan can handle any herald.

Oh yes im sure...

1. Alan isn't "any lantern. he isn't even a "Green Lantern". He's the living embodiment of all the magic that was collected and contained by the Guardians at the dawn of time. The Guardians considered magic Evil and wanted to rid the universe of it.

2. When Blood lusted he isn't even Alan any more. He is the dimensional entity called starheart possessing his body.

#18 Posted by xeon1cs (1479 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope Galactus is accepting applications.

A Herald spot is about to open up.

#19 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16888 posts) - - Show Bio

Hard one, but mostly due to fact that Surfer should be able to manipulate any energy construct made by Alan.

@beatboks1:

In which comics he had its full power? I need to know more about his durability, reflex and battles with some real big guns. I admit, that IDK Obsidian at all.

#20 Edited by Killemall (18172 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: Alan Scott's energy is an embodiment of Chaos Magic pretty sure Surfer cant manipulate that, furthermore Alan can take over his body, he controlled the body of Dr. Fate and Obsidian with no problem.

As per where the scans from Beatboks1 is from, its JLA/JSA: The Dark Things, and that was a classic showing of what happens if Starheart, the sentinent chaos magic of all the universe, takes control. Entire DC earth was helpless.

He is closer to someone like Odin then Surfer.

#21 Edited by laflux (13705 posts) - - Show Bio

He is closer to someone like Odin then Surfer.

#22 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

From what I hear Alan Scott seems relly tough.

#23 Posted by theONEtaichou (1502 posts) - - Show Bio

@xeon1cs said:

I hope Galactus is accepting applications.

A Herald spot is about to open up.

hahahahahah, fantastic!

I wonder if he accepts resumes from Earth?

#24 Posted by silverJuggernaut (132 posts) - - Show Bio

silver surfer wins.

#25 Posted by AngryHulks (2994 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfer would win, but Alan is definitely on Surfer's league so it will be a great fight.

#26 Posted by Clark_EL (2351 posts) - - Show Bio

SS, but close

#27 Posted by TDK_1997 (14418 posts) - - Show Bio

Alan Scott can take SS.

#28 Edited by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

<p>Alan no problem, Surfer is really being overestimated here</p>

#29 Edited by beatboks1 (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say the reason for overestimation is normal power levels. without bloodlusting SS would take the majority in good fight. their power levels and abilities are similar. Blood luster Alan moves to a completely different level, it's not just an intent thing. I've said it before you should 't use a blood lusted Alan in battles.

#30 Edited by GhostRider2 (3228 posts) - - Show Bio

<p>Alan no problem, Surfer is really being overestimated here</p>

No is not, why would you say that is not like Alan is on living tribunal level or scathan or other celestials.

#31 Posted by spiderbuck (2414 posts) - - Show Bio

Hard one, but mostly due to fact that Surfer should be able to manipulate any energy construct made by Alan.

Not too sure how Surfer would handle magical energy. If you can state definitively that he can manipulate magical energy then I'm going with Surfer as well.

#32 Edited by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (5380 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer with no morals should be near invincible.

#33 Edited by New_World_Order (12331 posts) - - Show Bio

Alan Scott

#34 Edited by czarny_samael666 (16888 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

Hard one, but mostly due to fact that Surfer should be able to manipulate any energy construct made by Alan.

Not too sure how Surfer would handle magical energy. If you can state definitively that he can manipulate magical energy then I'm going with Surfer as well.

I dbout that he can do that, I have to read that story before I will admitt that Alan wins, but it is highly possible.

#35 Posted by beatboks1 (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

@spiderbuck said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

Hard one, but mostly due to fact that Surfer should be able to manipulate any energy construct made by Alan.

Not too sure how Surfer would handle magical energy. If you can state definitively that he can manipulate magical energy then I'm going with Surfer as well.

I dbout that he can do that, I have to read that story before I will admitt that Alan wins, but it is highly possible.

I would say there is little doubt that in character Surfer would win after a good fight. They do have very similar abilities most of what Surfer can do Alan can and has done also. In character however Alan almost always retains some will power to control and contain the starheart energy within him. As such he never goes as far as he can. the only times that he has come close to showing his full potential have been when his family or those he cares for are in danger. Like when his kid's were threatened or his wife's soul was trapped in hell or more recently when the entire JSA had been trapped in dimensions by Mordru.

When Alan however get's blood lusted the starheart entity takes over. This means that all the frailties Alan normally has no longer exist. The fact is the only reason he has any weaknesses is his own Psyche imposing them. If he believes he has a weakness than he does ( that's how the few inconsistent writings of Alan still showing a weakness to wood have been explained by Johns- that he was tired after a long battle and still thought he had the weakness).

Also if you don't think Surfer can manipulate magical energy, how can you say he manipulates Alan's constructs when his ring and lantern are nothing but magic. That's the reason he's a member of the conclave and the Sentinels of Magic.

#36 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16888 posts) - - Show Bio

@beatboks1:

Also if you don't think Surfer can manipulate magical energy, how can you say he manipulates Alan's constructs when his ring and lantern are nothing but magic. That's the reason he's a member of the conclave and the Sentinels of Magic.

I completly forgot about it, my bad. Galactus was able to manipulate it and difference should only be in scale, but I am far from using it as a prove.

#37 Posted by dondave3 (29 posts) - - Show Bio

Alan Scott

#38 Posted by God_Spawn (37144 posts) - - Show Bio

Scott.

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#39 Posted by beatboks1 (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh BTW Nu52 E-2 Alan Looses baddly. All SS has to do is take him off planet.

#40 Edited by spiderbuck (2414 posts) - - Show Bio

@beatboks1 said:

Oh BTW Nu52 E-2 Alan Looses baddly. All SS has to do is take him off planet.

Can you expand on this? Does Alan not have the ability to survive in space anymore or something? I haven't seen much of New 52 Alan.

#41 Posted by Blacharrt1 (751 posts) - - Show Bio

@beatboks1: If i am not mistaking Silver Surfer was able to manipulate the Odin force, which is magic correct to help out Beta Ray Bill? He merged it with the power cosmic, right?

#42 Posted by Vaeternus (9367 posts) - - Show Bio

The fact that it's bloodlusted makes this an Alan Scot stomp.

A blood lusted Alan soloed all DC Earth and completely controlled the likes of Dr Fate, Obsidian, Miss Martian and others

Damn....lol

Going Alan here

#43 Posted by beatboks1 (6948 posts) - - Show Bio

Nu52 Alan's power comes from earth. as he moves away from earth he looses power. when he went to throw Nu52 Grundy to the moon ( who's power comes from the grey the death of earth) he loat power in the stratosphetr