Ada Wong vs. Jill Valentine

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#1  Edited By The Scarlet Witch

Rules: Fight until one is incapacitated. (This is Jill before she was super soldier)
Environment: An abandoned wear house about 100x100 feet. (start on opposite sides, wear house isn't empty) / Round 2: Graveyard (wide open, start 20 feet apart)
Equipment: Standard for both / Round 2: None, have to rely on h2h.
Morales: On for both / Also give input if morals were off for either scenario.

 Ada Wong
 Ada Wong
 Jill Valentine
 Jill Valentine
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#2  Edited By _Courage_

Ada just seems all around more bad@ss.

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#3  Edited By The Scarlet Witch
@_Courage_:  I agree she just gives off that vibe, but Jill is no joke either. So I think it would make for an interesting confrontation.
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#4  Edited By Grand Ninja

Ada naturally. Pre Super Jill Valentine was a Master of Unlocking.

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#5  Edited By _Courage_
@The Scarlet Witch said:
" @_Courage_:  I agree she just gives off that vibe, but Jill is no joke either. So I think it would make for an interesting confrontation. "
Oh yes, I agree.
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#6  Edited By Grand Ninja

I also think Ada Wong can beat Super Jill faster than Chris and Sheva. Ada is too keen and her moves are too smooth. Think of Jill playing in RE4 and ponder if she can do better. The difference between Resident Evil 4 as opposed to RE1, 2 & 3 is that Jill was fighting mindless zombies. Ada was up against tactical Gorados and prep-time leaders of those Gorados.

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#8  Edited By EpitomeofCool
@_Courage_ said:
" @The Scarlet Witch said:
" @_Courage_:  I agree she just gives off that vibe, but Jill is no joke either. So I think it would make for an interesting confrontation. "
Oh yes, I agree. "
seconded.....
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#9  Edited By Grand Ninja
@Edamame:  She was impressive by what? Beating up on Chris and Sheva for 5 minutes before they can subdue her? Need I remind Ada vs Krauser?
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#11  Edited By kuchiku

No even original Jill could kick ada's ass up front, its over. Ada has always just been a sneaky B!tch while Jill is a freaken no joke take down, its over in like three seconds kinda girl I mean have you played her in RE5 and RE1 and RE 3 and Resident evil Chronicles, read the books, Jill has more training, Jill is an original character she has been fighting the zombies since the beginning before ada wong, shes is super bad@ss i mean she was the one left in RE5 and saved chris from wesker while chris got his @ss beat, and chris had to save sheva so many frieaken times, while jill still. in the end saved chris and sheva, she always comes thru in the end super or not she is deffinetly the winner.
 
 @Grand Ninja: It was 7 minutes. and Jill kicks @ss have you seen her moves in re5? And SHE DEFEATED NEMESIS ALL BY HER SELF! Krauser couldnt even do that special aarm or no special arm, so ada has a little gadget sling gun thingy, All ada would do is run awya wehn she gets hurt so she doesnt die, like she did in RE2 and RE4 all skeanky because she cant face it head on.
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#13  Edited By nefarious

Ada is sexier and more skilled in the usage of weaponry. She wins with a great passion.

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#14  Edited By Grand Ninja
@kuchiku said:
" read the books, "
Do you mean S.D Perry's RE Novels?
 
  I actually have those. lol
 
Yes, Ada is a sneaky bitch, but Jill is a Jill Sandwitch and Master of Unlocking. Ada is very cunning, but yet very skilled in H2H and weapons. Even more so she is better at marksmanship. In the game plot and in the S.D Perry novels, Jill waiste alot of rounds by not hitting the target at it's weakest points let alone hitting her marks at all. Ada was always one shot here and one shot there. Then again, I can understand you feeling against Ada because she already knew about the whole situation in contrast to Jill's, however, in the 3rd game, Jill had a better composure, but that still doesn't compare to Ada's professionalism. In Rez 3 Jill fought the Nemesis, but she wasn't really physically fighting it. She was using hit, run, hide tactics to evade it most of the time. In Rez 4, Ada had no choice but to fight Krauser 3 times after she though she's killed him the other 2 times and fought Saddler. As Jill was aiding Chris; Ada aids Leon, so Ada is somewhat of a heroine herself.
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#15  Edited By kuchiku
@Grand Ninja:  Once again you are still compareing the Jill when she first encountered the zombies, to the Ada later on in the story line, Jill's first encounter wasin re1 her opening scene she sucked then, but as she progressed threw RE1 she killed Hunters, giant snakes, giant plants, The tyrant and wesker. Where as Ada grapling hooked away from a Hunter in her cutscene during RE chronicles, Besides she was bested by the Ashford woman scientist with a pistol in RE2 and RE chronicles, not to mention the fact she was snuck up on and hit with a tranquilizer by a big ugly hillbilly in a trenchcoat in RE4. Now at the end of RE1 jill has gained some expierence just as ADa does toward the end of re2. And jill shows improved Shooting ability in RE chronicles during her first cutscene during the events of RE3.  ADA fights Krauser many times, well Jill fights Nemesis many times, yes she may have ducked and rolled past her earlier encounters with nemesis but the final encounter she was head on, not to mention the fact in diffrence of gameplay had the gampley in RE4 been the gamplay then in RE3 jill would be fighting Nemsesis in the same way Ada founght Krauser, and Ada did her fair share of runnin around Krauser in her last battle with him, grappling hooking from pillar to pillar, as jill ran around nemesis. Now if you see Jill in RE chronicles during the last mission where it shows us what happened to Jill and Chris after the events of raccoon city in which they work for the BSAA she show greatly improved skills, as her and Chris are shown doing very ninja flips and cartwheels threw the laser room, the same type of Laser corridor where the group of Umbrella soldiers had died during the RE film and her and Chris kill a freaking evolving huge robot creature. So now we reach RE4 Ada has shown great expierence doing her sneaky B!tchness using Gadgets, but if you see Jill in RE5 during the bonus content available As DLC on Xbox live or for free with purchase of Gold edition she fights a freakin giant undead creature with a scythe head on and takes on Super powered Wesker and manages to do a lot better then Chris as she saves his life from Wesker by jumping on Wesker threw a window. So now Compare Ada RE4 to Jill RE5 there most recent versions both games not very far apart time wise in the resident evil timeline, Jill shows much better combat then Ada and she does way cooler more deadly flippy things then Ada ever has not to mention the fact that she kicked Chris and Sheva's @ss and saved there lives managing to make her way threw a overfull facility of undead soldiers to face big freaky axe men, evading gatling gun and rocket launcher fire not to mention fighting the never ending horde at the end of the mission where they fought big fat black men with gatling guns. I think Jill fighting Giant spiders, zombies, hunters, Crimson heads, Undead dogs, Giant snakes, Giant poisonous plants that have developed minds of there own, Tyrant, Nemesis, Lickers, Crazy men with Sacks for a mask wielding Chainsaws, Majini, Oroboros, etc. Tops Ada killing crazy hillbillies and her little fight with Krauser, not to mention it took her how many tries to kill him where it takes leon once.
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#16  Edited By Grand Ninja
@kuchiku:  I'm not comparing a past experience character plot to a future experienced character plot. What I'm trying to say aside from gameplay are the behind the scenes action. Ada has always worked as a double agent even before Jill was a member of S.T.A.R.S. Ada was featured in Resident Evil 1 as John's girlfriend this was before she was working for Wesker. So she was always been in the game from the very beginning. She had already infiltrated Spencer's estate and left there long before Wesker was assigned to bring S.T.A.R.S there. In fact, while Wesker and Alpha/Beta teams were in the Spencer Estate, Ada was already arranging her prep to locate the sample of the G Virus. Once the incident of Resident Evil 2, Ada lost all her equipment during the crisis and she was running around just like Leon & Claire and facing zombies and monsters head on with what little ammo she had and survivor skills. She had no grappling hook in Rez 2. she didn't even have a cell phone or anything to communicate with. She was just as good if not better than Leon and Claire in Rez 2. I know you're going to bring up her getting slammed by Birkin's talon, but she did not expect that. They thought they were safe from Birkin going down the shaft in a heavy armored train, but her and Leon started to get someone intimate in a discussion when all of a sudden the talon sliced through the hull of the train and hit Ada.
 
But alas, since you want to point these inconsistencies against Ada, why not take a look at how many other times Jill had to be saved by either her team or someone completely random.  In Rez 1 Jill was saved countless times by Berry and about 2 times by Wesker. Knowing the plot and intensity of the game, you would know that without their help, she would have been dead. In Rez 3 (which happened several hours before the start of Rez 2) Jill was saved by Carlos and even Nicholi several other times. Most of Carlos' team surviving team was killed because they were trying to protect Jill. But at the same time, Ada is inside the city too doing her own ass kicking by her self.
 
Ada was not bested by the Birkin's lady. Ada pushed Annette down the water shaft during that pistol struggle. And the tranquilizer incident in Rez 4.  Like I said from my previous post, Ada was up against tactical Ganados and while she was running from them, the big Chief sniped her down from afar with a sniper rifle. Jill was shot in the face by Chris from a bullet she intended to dodge anyways. Very different from not being aware that you are being sniped. I've already compared the two, Ada is in par with Leon. If Leon and Ada fought against Wesker in "Lost in Nightmares" Wesker would have been thrown out that window by himself.
 
I'm not down grading Jill, I know she has gotten better during the years, but I also know that Ada was a spy and combat specialist before Jill and her growing experienced shouldn't be ignored as well.
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#17  Edited By kuchiku
@Grand Ninja:  First off they implied that she did have a grapping hook in RE2 in chronicles but didnt use it in the original RE2 gameplay, yes I understand what your saying, but like I said Gameplay in the original  games and the current games plays alot threw whjy Jill was saved, I.E she had to be saved in the original game for 90% of the cutscenes and I do agree she needed help in RE3 by carlos, but he is her Co-op character, think about it Ada is Leon's side character as Barry is Jill's its like comparing Chris and Barry, oh well Barry could fight zombies all by himself going threw the mansion while Jill and Chris had to be saved, once again a lot of the "saving" happens for story based and gameplay purposes, back to my point on comparing RE5 Jill even before she was a blonde kick hoe, and still back to my point on the COUNTLESS MONSTERS Jill has faced While Ada has simply ran away, as far as im concerned we havent seen much of what Ada can even do in an upfront fight but we see what jill is capable off, Jill is also aways in RE5 when there is Co-op or partner's invovled, Yes while Ada keeps it solo we assume she does fighting on her own but like I said 70% of the time she is running away, and so comparing BSAA Jill to current Ada, While Ada may be shown doing flippy things and grappling hooking, so? Does that automatically make her an Expert Ninjan fighter just because Jill would rather go threw a monster then around it? and saying Leon and Ada vs Wesker and that they would win is just putting Jill and Chris to shame, you should give them More credit then that, like I said Could Ada kill,  Giant spiders, zombies, hunters, Crimson heads, Undead dogs, Giant snakes, Giant poisonous plants that have developed minds of there own, Tyrant, Nemesis, Lickers, Crazy men with Sacks for a mask wielding Chainsaws, Majini, Oroboros, etc NO! She has always been shown fighting the weak crap, Jill BSAA have you EVEN played her in RE5 at all? Because her moves would mollywop ada, ooooh ada can do a butterfly kick how unspectacular, while Jill leaps on your head and breaks her neck, one hit KO boom its over Ada's dead, Yeah Ada might do some flippy crap, Jill has always been shown to do her fair share of dodges and counters, And dont you ever compare Ada to Chris, were comparing Jill and Ada, there completely different, besides Chris is better then Leon he would have Killed Ada a long time ago. And Jill still avoided the bullet no harm done to her, Besides Jill has gotten out of Impossible Situations while Ada Simply RUNS away she has never truly proven herself other then the fact that she works by herself which is the reason why she almost gets killed half the time. And if you really wanna talk about how Ada hasent been saved, she freakin would not be alive if she hadent F-ed over everyone in the Spencer Estate like Wesker, Not to mention that she had to be saved by leon on a number of occasions where as she would have died. She is no Heroine she is coniving and almost always rips you off, even Wesker she f-ed over. Throw Ada in with the Giant snake or Monster Plant and you tell me if she will be walking out monsters dead or getting her @ss beat and escaping threw a window via Grappling hook, BSAA Jill would woop Ada hands down, Just like any Karate Kid would get beat down in a real Street fight. Jill armed with her Assault rifle would own Ada with her sawn off, Ada would do her little flipping around and hiding while Jill employs Tactical measures as Ada is used to Slealthy measures, which Jill is trained to take out, like stealthy little monsters that Jill has shown to take out numerous times. In the end Jill would be Victorious. 
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#18  Edited By marvellover1

Jill in my opinion

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#20  Edited By Grand Ninja
@Edamame said:
" @Grand Ninja said:
" @kuchiku said:
" read the books, "
Do you mean S.D Perry's RE Novels?
 
 "
In my opinion, the best book out of these books is Nemesis.  The other books didn't seem so well-written. "
Nemesis was awesomely written, but the bad part was the beginning when the writer was going into detail about Carlos manly body (I think -though it was several years i read that), Nicholai was hella wickedly written too. Nothing you'd expect from playing the game, but he made the story very interesting. But from my personal opinion, The Umbrella Conspiracy was the scariest and the one deeply thought out to try to scare you. S.D did a really good job getting into the mind of Wesker too, since Wesker actually did play out the way he did in the future games. (In the 1st Resident Evil, Wesker didn't really have a personality), and she did him a personality which you later see in Code Veronica, RE4 and RE5.  And the one thing about these books that wasn't in the game, which I believe S.D. Perry made up, was the man named "Trent". 
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#21  Edited By Cypher's Gambit

Jill is better at close quarter combat, but I'm not so sure about her expertise on weapons which I think gives Ada the edge here. 

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Ada. She fights everything in a red dress.

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#23  Edited By kuchiku
@Grand Ninja:  I remember trent? hmmm your right was he really never in trhe games?
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I think they are on a similar level. Ada is a spy Jill a soldier. Jill was very good skilled in Resident Evil revelation like Ada was in Resident Evil 4. Assuming we are not talking about evil Jill this is a spite. I have never seen Jill h2h anyway and Ada yes in Resident Evil movie. Anyway it could go either way. 5/10.

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@spiderman1997: This is a very difficult battle for me to decide, I can actually picture a legitimate stalemate between them. In terms of feats, Jill might have the advantage with firearms, but Ada is more dangerous up close. Ada obviously has a serious stealth advantage since her skills in that area are no joke, but I don't know, Jill definitely has the most common sense out of anyone in the series. This is especially true if you've read the novels. Ada is highly intelligent as well, but I would like to give Jill the benefit of the doubt and say she'll find a way to get by stealth.

I have to call this fight a stalemate, same as Chris vs Leon.

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@nickzambuto: Thanks buddy. BTW does this attribute to Super Jill or just normal Jill ?

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@nickzambuto: Thanks buddy. BTW does this attribute to Super Jill or just normal Jill ?

Normal Jill. Super Jill, ironically, would probably have worse odds against Ada since she loses self control. She's under Wesker's mind control so she basically just becomes an animal; she fights very well but she would be more vulnerable to stealth in that mindset. Regular Jill would think her way around Ada's stealth, Super Jill would just run around like an animal trying to spot her until she gets sniped.

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#33  Edited By Stormy

@caduses: Ada is not fragile. Even harsh, Ada faced monsters and zombies to escape from Raccoon, and in the end still faces a very bruised Tyrant she wins

And in Re4 when Ada is unconscious and the Ganados are going to kill her she wakes up and escapes Ganado's blow with the ax

Jill é fraca, em todas as situações ela teve ajuda dos outros, nunca fez nada sozinha diferente da Ada!

Re 1 - Jill and Chirs

Re 3 - Jill and Carlos

Re lost in nightmares - Jill and Chris

Re 5 - Jill and Chris and Sheva

Re Relevations Jill and Parker

And in Re5 Jill only makes all those scams because of the red spider that controlled her ... she was never good
And another, Jill just escaped from Raccoon with the help of Barry! This failure even to leave a city alone did, unlike the one Ada alone.
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#34  Edited By VictorGnome

Ada stomps. People, if you're going to be such geeks that you only suck off to "canon material," at least do so PROPERLY! Seriously, your excuse is normally "it ain't canon," (which is true, but you only say so when it fits your opinion); here we have all the canon showing us Ada is basically Wonder Woman compared to Jill Valentine, and you still question it. Going by feats and no speculation or fanfiction, Ada kills Jill very quickly. If the writers decided to make a magical rock omnipotent and it is put to fight against anybody at all who isn't on the same level, it doesn't matter how much you like its opponent or how ridiculous the premise of the omnipotent rock is - it stomps easily. It's fiction, not real life, don't try to apply real logic to it - it doesn't work.

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@spiderman1997: This is a very difficult battle for me to decide, I can actually picture a legitimate stalemate between them. In terms of feats, Jill might have the advantage with firearms, but Ada is more dangerous up close. Ada obviously has a serious stealth advantage since her skills in that area are no joke, but I don't know, Jill definitely has the most common sense out of anyone in the series. This is especially true if you've read the novels. Ada is highly intelligent as well, but I would like to give Jill the benefit of the doubt and say she'll find a way to get by stealth.

I have to call this fight a stalemate, same as Chris vs Leon.

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Jill Valentine 8-9/10.

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They both my babe's but im going with Ada here

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Soldier vs. Spy

Take your pick TBH it's really 50/50ish

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I think Ada is a bit more skilled.

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Jill rolfstomps. Ada is way too overrated.

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Ada should win

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Ada wins pre-RE5. Jill wins post-RE5.

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Ada takes round 1 in both scenarios. She is more lethal from further distances.

Jill should take Round 2 in both scenarios even before Serum PG67AW/RE5. Being a highly trained Assassin, Ada is definitely prepared for any scenario but unlike Jill, she isn't the type for close quarter combat. Jill should have the edge in H2H but it still is going to be tough since Ada is far more acrobatic and quicker than her.

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Jill >>>> Ada with or without P30, both in lore and feat-wise.

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Jill wins mid diff. She has far better stats and also better skills as shown by feats.