Your friend is absolutely 100% wrong. 616 Peter is an amazing character whose death should be something that shakes the entire Marvel Earth after he does some huge, impossible, selfless deed. Rather like Ultimate Peter's.

Ultimate Peter's death was much, much better done, but that's because it was supposed to be an actual, meaningful death, and 616's was supposed to piss fans off. I'd say both deaths achieved their goals.

I don't see how Earth-616 Peter is a wimp while Ultimate Peter isn't, they're really the same character just at two different stages in life and are both equally great Spider-Men.

As for which death was better, I feel that Ultimate Peter's death was better. It showed how far Peter was willing to go to protect the ones he loved, fighting his greatest villains to the very end and even though it cost him his life, he still saved those he loved. Earth-616 Peter's death really wasn't that great and came off more as a mockery rather than a heroic send off. Peter saves Doc Ock's life and in return Ock switches bodies with him hours before his death, and even though Peter tried to make things right, the villain ultimately won and the hero failed. No story where the villain actually wins is a good one.

@fallschirmjager: But Miles is so awesome D:

Your friend is absolutely 100% wrong. 616 Peter is an amazing character whose death should be something that shakes the entire Marvel Earth after he does some huge, impossible, selfless deed. Rather like Ultimate Peter's.

Ultimate Peter's death was much, much better done, but that's because it was supposed to be an actual, meaningful death, and 616's was supposed to piss fans off. I'd say both deaths achieved their goals.

I don't see how Earth-616 Peter is a wimp while Ultimate Peter isn't, they're really the same character just at two different stages in life and are both equally great Spider-Men.

As for which death was better, I feel that Ultimate Peter's death was better. It showed how far Peter was willing to go to protect the ones he loved, fighting his greatest villains to the very end and even though it cost him his life, he still saved those he loved. Earth-616 Peter's death really wasn't that great and came off more as a mockery rather than a heroic send off. Peter saves Doc Ock's life and in return Ock switches bodies with him hours before his death, and even though Peter tried to make things right, the villain ultimately won and the hero failed. No story where the villain actually wins is a good one.

I don't see how Earth-616 Peter is a wimp while Ultimate Peter isn't, they're really the same character just at two different stages in life and are both equally great Spider-Men.

As for which death was better, I feel that Ultimate Peter's death was better. It showed how far Peter was willing to go to protect the ones he loved, fighting his greatest villains to the very end and even though it cost him his life, he still saved those he loved. Earth-616 Peter's death really wasn't that great and came off more as a mockery rather than a heroic send off. Peter saves Doc Ock's life and in return Ock switches bodies with him hours before his death, and even though Peter tried to make things right, the villain ultimately won and the hero failed. No story where the villain actually wins is a good one.