ZOOM runs for DC/Marvel Gauntlet in Boxing Match

RULES

-This is classical box match with rules

-They r going to fight H2H with ONLY FISTS(TP,BFR,Speed Steal etc. :OFF)

-Win by K.O'd,Dead

-Imp:ON & Speed:ON & BFR:OFF & Vibrate:OFF & Speed Steal:OFF

-They can't leave the ring so flight is off

-Bloodlust:ON

-Morals:OFF

-Area:Prof. Boxing Ring

Zoom had this song

ROUNDS

• Round1: Hulk
• Round2:Beta Ray Bill
• Round3:Wonder Woman
• Round4:Thor
• Round5:Shazam(Billy Batson)
• Round6:Black Adam
• Round7:Doomsday(DoS)
• Round8.20 minutes sundip. Superman
• Round9:H'el
• Round10:J'onn J'onzz
• Round11:Wally West
• Round12:Darkseid
• Round13:Thanos
• Round15:Eobard Thawne
• Round16:Silver-Age Superman
• Round17(Last Round):Alfred PENNYWORTH

Clears.

They can't touch him.... Clears

1) We have Silver - Age Clark

2) They are in boxing ring,they can touch him

@dorukesin said:

@oreoassassin said:

They can't touch him.... Clears

1) We have Silver - Age Clark

2) They are in boxing ring,they can touch him

No. Just no. Tell me when any of your characters can throw a few million punches in a second.

You know what. I've never gotten this through out all of the time on comicvine. I actually don't think he clears though he's teh fastest one here. You guys have to understand that the moment zooms activates his powers(Starting manipulating his time steam as in speeding up/slowing down time he is now activiating his powers. I thought you aren't supposed to let them activate their powers beforehand?

So he's just a regular guy for that first couple of milliseconds(before he reacts to activate his powers), so shouldn't he get blitzed first? Hmmm. I mean if you're going to start him off like that you might as well start MMH off intangible right? If so he doesn't clear.

@dorukesin

I realize you make a lot of threads to "prove a point". You know you think Zoom wins and why would you put IMPs on when most of these people on this list can't even see him? And this list is mixed up.

No. Zoom (Hunter Zolomon) gained his powers because he tried to use the cosmic treadmill and it blew up in his face. After that, it turns out he was blown out of the timeline, and when he does travel in our timeline, he can control how slow or fast he goes. So, this means he always has his powers on because it is time-related. He does not have to activate anything. In fact, the heroes won't even see Zoom unless he slows himself down for them to see him. He blitzed Jay and Wally and only slowed himself down enough to talk to Wally.

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Also, here's Jay explaining Zoom's powers.

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There is no way anybody is tagging him here.

@wardemon32:

Zoom always has his powers on, he actively has to slow his powers down to even communicate and even when he does that he still is too fast for his speech to be perceived correctly. There is not point in which Zoom has to activate his powers, he simply awoke with time standing still and exists in that capacity unless he chooses to weaken himself.

He clears all rounds.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek:

Oh I'm fully aware that their not tagging him and how he got his powers. Its just the principal. Yea his powers are technically "always on" but its about the manipulating. That's where the problem comes in for me. He has the power but once he actually activates it then he's officially using his power. You get what I'm trying to say? Though its there it doesn't mean he's using it. The speed force is always within Flash but he actually has to think to actviate this power but its seems to be so quick that its not like he even activated it. Now Zoom on the other hand would have slower reaction time that Flash so Flasjh would have already activated his powers before Zoom thinks to slow down his time stream. If Flash activates his powers first then Zoom is dead.

But I agree with you when you say once Zooms start moving thats the end of it.

@wardemon32: You do know Zoom's speed starting off is beyond anyone here right? He had to slow himself down for the heroes to even see him.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek:

Yea trust me, I know a lot about zoom. But thats all within motion when he has already manipulated time. I've already admitted that once he starts moving its over but the same goes for Flash also. The problem isn't slowing down time as he is already "activated" his power but actually having the reaction time to do so. I understand that its on but it doesn't mean its been activated. Its like having a bomb and pressing a button.

But I guess you could look at it either way you want.

Wally should be above Eobard, but Hunter clears it!

@supermanwithatan01: @wardemon32: @humannumber: @yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: i know every single feat about Hunter but

Silver-Age Superman Speed Feats

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we are talking about SILVER - AGE SUPERMAN !!!!

what's hunters best ? be invicible to jay and wally ?

i think even billions of punch is not enough for Clark

@dorukesin said:

@supermanwithatan01: @wardemon32: @humannumber: @yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: i know every single feat about Hunter but

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Silver-Age Superman Speed Feats

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we are talking about SILVER - AGE SUPERMAN !!!!

what's hunters best ? be invicible to jay and wally ?

i think even billions of punch is not enough for Clark

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Zoom is beyond speed. It doesn't matter how fast you are.

stops at 8

No he doesn't. He still wrecked Wally after he was amped with Jay and Bart's speed, which is more impressive than Superman and 20 minutes sundip.

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@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek:

there are only so many places you can go in the ring and they usually build up speed to move that fast clark is going to luck up and hit him before zoom does any real damage.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: man,you are giving me unnecessary feats

you said he's beyond the speed but you are give me Justice League feat ? lol

dude,give me his best feat in your knowledge ok

Stops at the most current version of Wally that exists.

Stops at SA Supes.

Stops at Alfred.

Jmarshmallow

Curbs everyone besides SA Supes who spontaneously develops superior time manipulation powers.

The places in the ring holds no relevance to Hunter's dodging. He could dance around Superman for as long as he wants.

It was to show that he easily can defeat the Justice League.

But if that's not good enough you can take Zolomon's own words.

Zoom's best speed feat is probably defeating Flash amped with Jay, Bart, and Jesse's speed, until Wally cheats using the time-portals.

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Zoom also states above (6th scan), that he is immortal, and is "locked between the ticks of a second". There is no way anyone is tagging him here.

Squirrel Girl wins

@dorukesin:

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: this feats is far cry away from SA Superman's

look up to my SA Superman Feats comment again

There's nothing Superman can do, regardless of what era he is in. Zoom could easily travel in time, but he's not fueled by speed, therefore he cannot use kinetic energy to travel back/forward in time. He's certainly fast enough to do so though.

they are using their speeds to make a time travel dude and yes zoom could easily travel in the time too

but zoom doesn't have feats to match with SA Superman

If it takes Superman any length of time to travel in time, Zoom would be able to smack the crap out of him before he can do so, since he is locked between the ticks of a second. Superman won't even try to attack or time travel because he won't even see Zoom (Jay nor Wally saw Zoom until he revealed himself/slowed himself down). Also, all of Zoom's feats are him holding back. Imagine him bloodlusted.

Zoom definitely clears. Anyone he can't KO he beats by decision.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: wally or jay can't see him because they are not fast enough in that issue

wally is 250,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times FTL

SA Superman is better

also Zoom can't travel as fast as Superman

Silly mortals think that Zoom can beat Alfred.

Wally isn't fast enough? What are you talking about? First of all, that is mere speculation. Second of all, Zoom still defeated an amped, extremely determined Wally West, and consistently one-shotted Jay Garrick (he did it in Rogue Wars too).

Give me proof that SA Superman is faster, because the way I see it:

A) Silver Age Superman won't be able to see Zoom at the start of the battle, thinks his opponent is late, and gets his butt whupped.

B) He can't react fast enough to initiate his own speed or time-travel before he gets blitzed by Zoom.

his accelerating speed is equal with Silver Age Flash.

you don't know anything about SA Superman's speed conduit.

@dorukesin said:

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we are talking about SILVER - AGE SUPERMAN !!!!

what's hunters best ? be invicible to jay and wally ?

ZOOM DOESN'T HAVE FEATS TO MATCH WITH SA SUPERMAN

also you don't know anything about SA Superman's invulnerability.

Wally West was amped enough to be able to accelerate from zero to light speed INSTANTLY.

And yet Zoom was still a blur.

Also, durability is irrelevant if Zoom can dance around Superman. He can just keep punching him until time runs out.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek said:

And yet Zoom was still a blur.

Zoom is much more faster than Wally(speed of light) and SA Superman is much more faster than speed of light too

but still you are giving me unnecessary feats

Wally is moving at speed of light so Zoom moves 2x FTL and he's just a blur for Wally

give me his time travel feats(Top Speed) in your knowledge bro and we can match them.

so what ? you think even billions of IMP can enough for SA Superman ? you don't understand bro.

Zoom's IMP' can harm Wonder Woman(not kill)

but its really useless on SA Superman

@dorukesin said:

Zoom is much, much faster than Wally at the speed of light. You yourself said that Wally is 250,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times faster than light, and yet Zoom is effortlessly faster than Wally amped up.

Meanwhile, Superman has never displayed this type of speed, no matter what you have said so far. Everything you have said is speculation and/or not backed up by evidence. My feats display how fast Zoom is. If Hunter has effortlessly parried punches from Flash, he can do the same with Superman.

Can Silver Age Superman fight a determined Wally West, leave the fight and travel all the way to Keystone City, and then race back to the battle without the Flash even knowing?

Can Superman cover every inch of the entire planet in under a second, while fighting Wally West?

Can Superman throw a few million Wonder Woman hurting punches in a second?

Also, you obviously know nothing about Zoom if you put options like Speed Steal Off. Zolomon cannot speed steal, he is fueled by time. None of the Flashes can speed steal him either, as both Wally and Jay tried and failed.

And to be honest, if Silver Age Superman is the only debate here, this gauntlet is a mismatch.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek:

1 sec is like millenium to ZOOM

but 1 sec is like millions even billions of years for SA Superman

bro HUNTER or WALLY or EOBARD couldn't do even close to that ok ?

also i know every single feat about Hunter or Eobard don't blame me because of your unnecessary feats.

@dorukesin said:

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek:

1 sec is like millenium to ZOOM

but 1 sec is like millions even billions of years for SA Superman

bro HUNTER or WALLY or EOBARD couldn't do even close to that ok ?

also i know every single feat about Hunter or Eobard don't blame me because of your unnecessary feats.

You're the one shouting that I have unnecessary feats when in fact you are the one who keeps referring to the unnecessary feats. You do know Superman has to accelerate after a given time in order to time travel right? He cannot achieve that normally. Notice all the scans say he goes "faster and faster" until he starts breaking the time barrier.

Second of all, this is all TRAVEL SPEED. This effectively makes ALL OF SILVER AGE SUPERMAN'S feats above completely irrelevant, since he has never displayed that type of speed IN BATTLE. Zoom has excellent combat and travel speed. He can't break the time barrier due to speed with his combat speed.

Third of all, Superman cannot accelerate or move far enough to achieve any speed remotely near the feats shown above. Your own location for the fight guarantees that.

A small boxing ring. Yes. A small boxing ring where Zoom can still move, dodge, and speed blitz easily. Superman is going to be heavily restricted in his movement, therefore not being able to achieve his maximum speed. I see this fight going the same way as Clark versus Muhammad Ali.

Who is the most durable being Zoom has KO'd/killed. Scans preferred. Thank you.

Note that all of Zoom's feats are him holding back to make all the heroes better through traumatic experiences.

• Punches Wonder Woman from America to Paris, to the Great Wall of China, then to an Amazon Jungle.

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• Straight up humiliates the entire Justice League. Also speed blitzes Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman.

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@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: zoom can't dodge supermans attacks actually

Silver Age Barry's punch ? It's like joke to Superman

what about his super breath ? he can Destroy A Solar System with a little Sneeze,Blowing the Earth back into orbit

what about his super strength? Effortlessly towing over a dozens of world

yes this is a really huge mismatch.

Superman is too much

@dorukesin said:

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: zoom can't dodge supermans attacks actually

Do I have to say it again? Not combat speed. Irrelevant.

Not combat speed. Irrelevant. Also, Superman has tons of distance to accelerate here. The fight takes place in a small boxing ring. Irrelevant times two.

Silver Age Barry's punch ? It's like joke to Superman

Zoom >>>>>>>>> Any Flash in any version.

Also, do you honestly accept that feat without questioning it? It's clearly bad writing as Flash is superior to Superman in speed.

In fact, if I recall, Flash and Superman had a race for a charity run and they tied. However, later on, Flash stated that he slowed himself down so that both charities would get the prize money.
Irrelevant feat.

what about his super breath ? he can Destroy A Solar System with a little Sneeze,Blowing the Earth back into orbit

Okay this is just ridiculous now. You're breaking your own rules for the battle. Super breath?

As above, you said this is ONLY fists. But now you're pulling in feats for SA Superman regarding his other powers? If so than Zoom doesn't even have to fight. He can LITERALLY dance around, snapping his fingers nonchalantly and constantly knock Superman back.

Snap.

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Snap.

Snap.

what about his super strength? Effortlessly towing over a dozens of world

Irrelevant. Zoom can dodge all his punches, as you have posted NO COMBAT SPEED feats for Silver Age Superman. And if you want to violate your own rules, than Zoom can to, and literally phases right through Superman and makes him explode (he's bloodlusted, so it can happen).

Two can play this game.

You're making this situation worse and worse. First with the the desperate grasps at Superman's other abilities, and now this? You pretty much just admitted you made a mismatch intentionally in an attempt to make Silver Age Supes win.

This thread needs to be locked.

@citizenbane@k4tzm4n@deranged_midget

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek said:

@green_skaar said:

Who is the most durable being Zoom has KO'd/killed. Scans preferred. Thank you.

Note that all of Zoom's feats are him holding back to make all the heroes better through traumatic experiences.

• Punches Wonder Woman from America to Paris, to the Great Wall of China, then to an Amazon Jungle.

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• Straight up humiliates the entire Justice League. Also speed blitzes Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman.

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I appreciate the examples and scans, however not exactly what I was looking for. To repeat: Who is the most durable being Zoom has KO'd/killed. Scans preferred. Thank you.

@green_skaar: He doesn't kill (directly). He only wants to make the heroes better by making them go through traumatic events.

Zoom has the 'speed' to move from point A to point B without any time whatsoever passing.

Zoom can move freely and act while everything around him is completely frozen in time. With that he has the ability to throw as many punches as is needed.

Zoom's punches have hurt characters of superman level durability.

Zoom only hold's back on heroes he respects and wishes to help.

Any character who can be defeated by physical force will lose to an unhindered Zoom, which is why I've always said that he should not be put in battles here because he either wins completely or is put in a situation where he can't possibly win.

Zoom gets laughed at by everyone in this lineup

Clears. If Thor still have time manipulation I think he has a chance, but still, I think Zoom can clear it. I don't know how many times he have to punch those guys to be able to KO them.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: Zoom can't break the Pre-Crisis Superman's Invulnerability

even 100 Quattuordecillion punchs from Zoom is not enough for Superman but 1 punch from him and its done

i forgot my rules,my bad but still theres no way to Zoom's gonna ko'd PC Superman

This thread is a great example of the "no limits" fallacy. We have a character, Zoom, who has never, not once, KO'd or killed any durable of character of note, but now we are to believe he'll KO or Kill: Hulk, Thor, Darkseid, Thanos, Silver Age Superman, lol. Sure, whatever. Talk about a complete disconnect between what a character has done, and what readers *think* they can do.