Warning: Huge post incoming, but I'd like to hear everyone else's thoughts on where I'm going with this so don't be afraid to read it.
Solid Snake is legitimately one of the most dangerous peak human characters in fiction, and it’s time he received the respect that he is warranted. I become more and more impressed with his accomplishments every time I play the games, and with the comic books acting as helpful supplementary material to give us an idea of what Snake was actually doing to survive during those overwhelming battles and boss fights against such powerful opponents, it gives us an idea of just what this man is truly capable of.
MGS1, the Shadow Moses Incident. Over the course of just one night Solid Snake alone managed to infiltrate the most secure government black-site for top secret weapons development research in the middle of Alaska being guarded by the Next-Generation Special Forces who despite already being the most elite, handpicked military force in the world, were secretly enhanced directly with Big Boss's "soldier genes," giving them augmented senses, reflexes, and combat skills. Despite everybody around him having identical genes, Solid Snake through his sheer training and experience was so massively more skilled than everybody else that he could make them all look like complete and utter fools, slipping by all of their defenses and state-of-the-art technology repeatedly as he progressed further through the complex for the entire night.
There is a reason that they call him “the man who makes the impossible, possible.” In that single night, Solid Snake singlehandedly killed off most of the Genome Army, defeated the most elite ninja in the world amped with a Cyborg exoskeleton in hand to hand combat through sheer skill, beat the world's greatest sniper in a sniper duel during the middle of a snowstorm, destroyed an M1 tank in head-to-head combat with nothing but a handful of grenades, outsmarted a telepath so absurdly powerful that he could effect the real world with his psychokinetic skill by countering with tactics that manipulated the actual game hardware, ghosted on a Shaman mystic and killed him from the shadows without ever being seen, destroyed Metal Gear itself almost singlehandedly, and then took on his twin brother, the man who’s very genetics destined him to be superior, and shattered that destiny through sheer force of will by winning the fight anyway, ALL WITHOUT GETTING HIT BY ANYBODY A SINGLE TIME (except for Liquid, who pushed Snake to his limits). Solid Snake is one of those characters who is truly just the best at everything.
Now let’s look at Iron Fist, Danny Rand. A master of martial arts, in fact a phenomenal, damn near superhuman master of martial arts. But what is he besides that? He is nothing, Danny Rand isn’t a marksman, he can’t be a ghost, he knows nothing of strategy or psychology, the cool aspect of Danny’s character is that he really is a normal, human guy, there’s nothing weird about him, he might be the most down to earth superhero I know of, but then he’s also this supernaturally talented master of martial arts. But the thing is, looking at the nature of their characters, Solid Snake is inherently the superior fighter. That ability-set isn’t going to get Danny ANYWHERE against an opponent like Solid Snake, despite his great martial arts skill, Danny simply won’t be able to keep up with David and his host of different abilities.
Now let’s compare the two combatants a little more specifically. Round 1 is obviously designed as a hand-to-hand battle between the two, but technically there aren’t any rules restricting Snake from using stealth. And, like tparks said, if Snake goes for stealth then OBVIOUSLY he stomps, you’d really have to be biased to side with Iron Fist under conditions like that. That’s just the honest truth. However, since the actual purpose of that match is clear (I’m fairly confident OP was going for a hand-to-hand match but just didn’t specify that deeply) I’ll just role with that scenario. Now this is where things get tricky.
Usually, for me, the ultimate test of a fictional character’s martial arts ability is skill that surpasses human limitations. After all, in old legends and stories, martial artist masters and ninjas were famous for being exactly that, and it is also consistent within the fictional universes themselves. Iron Fist is usually portrayed as the best in Marvel, Karate Kid is the best in DC with Richard Dragon being a distant second, and Goku is the best martial artist in fiction as a whole. These characters all have similar skillsets, it is just the extent of their abilities that differs.
So by that logic, which again is the logic I myself usually apply, Iron Fist is clearly better than Snake. But here is where it gets tricky; the thing with Metal Gear, is that there are several characters in the series who are also portrayed as martial artists and fighters of such a high caliber, that their skills often manifest in supernatural abilities. This doesn’t include Psycho Mantis and guys like that who were just mutants born with superpowers, it includes the likes of Vulcan Raven, The End, and most notably Vamp, who TRAINED to get supernatural powers. Snake himself isn’t very mystical in his skills, he’s the complete opposite, completely grounded and militaristic, and yet his technically advanced militaristic skills which focus on complete efficiency are constantly portrayed as by far superior to the flashier, supernatural martial arts and spiritualism. I should also point out that Metal Gear doesn’t throw around these supernatural Iron Fist-style fighters like fodder, they are all portrayed as some of the most dangerous characters in the series, and so it’s quite a high accomplishment that Snake’s skills and tactics always prove superior to them. This is probably due to David’s extreme natural aptitude for combat and warfare; he is one of the biggest Blood Knights that I know of, and those instincts coupled with his will power likely contribute a lot to his abilities.
So with that in mind, here is my conclusion: Iron Fist is the better martial artist, but Solid Snake is the better combatant. Iron Fist can probably do more and accomplish a lot more with his skills, but when it comes to an actual fight, he can not match David’s instinctual aptitude for combat and warfare, always finding a way to win by any means neccessary. David might not be able to manipulate chi or use advanced pressure points, but at the end of the day his combat feats really are just better. David’s close combat skills are so advanced that he is even able to contend with and actually defeat 100 tonners just through sheer skill. Most of his opponents are actually better than him on-paper, like Liquid and Ocelot, they were both more skilled and had better genes, just like most would say Iron Fist is more skilled, but David finds a way to beat them anyway. Iron Fist isn’t able to do that. Taskmaster is considered one of the best fighters in Marvel by sheer virtue of his unique ability to learn skills simply by seeing them, and yet for a Metal Gear character like Revolver Ocelot, learning skills by simple observation is just a passive ability, he’s so intelligent that it’s not even a big deal for him, and the same goes for Snake, he’s forced into situations where he needs to actively adapt his style and tactics all the time. Again people on Comic Vine need to learn the difference between actual fighting skills and just martial arts, I’m sure that Iron Fist has a lot more examples of his knowledge compared to Snake, but knowledge is not skill, Snake is such a good FIGHTER that he can actually speedblitz opponents physically identical to himself before they can react. If Iron Fist were in that situation, knowing where a specific pressure point is wouldn’t help him at all, his opponents are physically identical to him after all so they would have been able to react and shoot him. Snake is a good FIGHTER because he knows the exact move to make at the exact right time to surprise his opponent, the exact move to make that they will be unable to counter, thus subverting physicals entirely. Hence, Iron Fist is the better martial artist, Snake is the better fighter.
This is all backed up by the fact that Iron Fist has never been portrayed as wildly superior to any of the other Marvel fighters like Daredevil, Wolverine, and Captain America, who are all more grounded like Snake and don’t use super-advanced, supernatural chi martial arts. So if Iron Fist is specifically portrayed as pretty comparable to those guys, what is stopping Snake from also matching him?
To all of you doubters, let me ask you this: what exactly separates Iron Fist from someone like Vamp? I mean okay they are very different characters, but their capabilities are very similar. I would even say that feat-for-feat Vamp is better, and that’s saying a lot considering his extreme lack of screentime (two appearances, a total of only nine cutscenes, and only ever fought two different people on-screen and then some fodder). Yet despite that he has done things that Iron Fist never could; his martial arts techniques are so advanced that most people mistake him for a legitimate supernatural vampire. Iron Fist meditates on a floor surrounded by candles to summon his chi in archetypical monk fashion, but Vamp can somehow sit down in water and meditate over the surface. I’ve never seen Iron Fist use a technique as advanced as shadow binding effectively, where Vamp needs to be skillful enough to actually hypnotize his opponent in the middle of combat, through a combination of specific movements and the subtle light reflecting off his blade, while simultaneously dodging bullets and using the same blade to deflect bullets. Basically he was skillful enough to fit the specific movements he needed for the hypnotism into his bullet dodging pattern, and also deflect bullets off his knife while being precise enough to simultaneously reflect the precise lighting back at Raiden, then in order to finish the technique he needed to tag a casual bullet timer’s shadow with his throwing knife. Bam, the opponent is somehow paralyzed. Not to mention on top of all this, Vamp can read his opponent’s muscle movements, which adds a whole host of advantages.
To top it all off Vamp can not only move at imperceptible speeds, but he is a multi-thousand tonner. Pardon my french, but holy f*ck! Oh and he also has a healing factor making him effectively immortal. How are you supposed to beat this guy?
Yet despite all of this, Solid goddamn steal-yo-gurl mother F’ing Snake, when he was an old man no less, was such a MONSTROUSLY skilled fighter that he took Vamp on head-to-head, and actually managed to restrain him with his CQC techniques, then cleverly nullified his healing factor with nanomachine suppressants. Afterwards Snake would have finished Vamp off right then and there, but Raiden showed up and wanted the kill for himself, while Old Snake became too busy fighting off a battalion of Suicide Gekko singlehandedly (albeit he used weapons of course). Regardless, I think that is enough to prove Snake can beat Vamp, especially considering the comics actually gave them a more traditional fight, where Snake was young, but restricted from using his CQC techniques and had to rely on the inferior, striking-based CQB techniques, meaning he couldn’t use the same hold on Vamp to win easily. But he won that anyway by nearly severing Vamp’s head with just his combat knife.
It is very important to keep in mind that Snake beat Vamp without getting touched at all. He is an avoidance expert, due in one part to the nature of his CQC techniques, which involves a lot of joint control and throwing, and due in second part to his advanced reflexes and agility. Ergo, Iron Fist will struggle to land any hits on Snake as well, and this isn’t lowballing Iron Fist, it will simply be like Iron Fist’s first fight with Daredevil where neither managed to land a single finger on the other, except since Snake is more skilled than Daredevil he will eventually get his hands on Danny, and since CQC is such a powerful fighting style augmented by Snake’s own extreme strength, I don’t exaggerate when I say a single CQC slam might be enough to incapacitate Iron Fist. Superhumans have been incapacitated by the CQC slam, after all. If Iron Fist DOES manage to tag Snake, it won’t do much, Snake is a brick wall, his damage soak is far superior to Iron Fist’s and therefore he can outlast Danny if worst comes to worst. Iron Fist would need chi to down Snake before Snake downs him.
So what about round 2? Well I’m willing to admit, even though I see Snake winning round 1, I completely understand if somebody thinks Iron Fist wins… However round 2 on the other hand is a clear-cut victory, Snake would just shoot Danny while fending off his martial arts attacks with CQC. No, I’m not lowballing Iron Fist, I know he has super speed, and I know it sounds like I’m making it out to be too easy, but trust me, it really is that simple. Snake has indeed made more difficult shots than against Iron Fist.
tl;dr
R1 - Snake 9/10 w/ stealth. Snake 6/10 w/o stealth
R2 - Snake 9/10
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