Prep battle: Constantine vs. Batman

Round 1: Chess match, 20 seconds of prep each.

Round 2: They both have to come up with the best plan to kill each other, no extra help (demons for Connie, Supes for Bman) allowed. 2 days.

Round 3: Who is better at preparation, on the whole?

Round 4: One week to kill each other, anything goes.

@iheartzombies92: John all rounds

Constantine wins all rounds. Not only is he more cunning than Batman but his prep is better due to magic.

Magic>>>>Tech

John, every time.

@blazinghell: JohnCon has never beat an omnipotent being, don't exaggerate.

That being said JohnCon wins every round, except maybe Round 1.

Bats is too soft to hang with JohnCon.

Jmarshmallow

John all rounds. He won't even cheat the chest round seeing as he is leagues more cunning than Batman.

John wins all rounds except chess one. Are you kidding me? Strategy and tactic is more important than being cunning and Batman is considered to be the best DC tactician.

Constantine. Batman can't even prep for the Joker properly, knowing full well the Joker always escapes Arkham.

Arguable. With John's level of cunning, its hard to quantify this round.

Couldn't John just use an illusion on Bruce, in the first round?

John owns Bruce.

Unless i'm much mistaken cunning is what is required to undermine strategy and tactics. Not to mention John could still hypnotize or create illusions to fool Bruce into making the wrong moves in round 1. He doesn't need prep to do it either. He's talked people into killing themselves and made them see things that aren't really there or happening off the bat.

John made Supes drop to his knees with a simple spell. He would have Bats down on the ground before him in no time.

@blazinghell: In any fictional universe, there can only be one omnipotent. If they have someone who is equal to or greater than them, then they're not omnipotent!

For example, both the triumvirate of Hell and the FoF are less powerful than the Presence, so they're not omnipotent. They're just nigh-omnipotent.

Which is still impressive, I just wanted to make sure the facts are straight.

And he didn't really "get one over" the Presence, he just kind of explained his situation, and the Presence agreed with it.

Like you said, it really doesn't matter since JohnCon still wins lol.

Jmarshmallow

John Constantine in a effortless curbstomp.

@iheartzombies92: Constantine beats him in an EPIC curbstomp!

this needs to be locked conjohn whipes the floor with him

Batman is just a smart man, John is above that.A better battle is Constantine vs Morningstar but he is going to lose this one.

Deathstroke is better than Batman when it comes to strategy and stuff. Though if John doesn't cheat, Batman would probably win the chess game.

John would cream him in the other rounds though.

First of the Fallen is not omnipotent. He's incredibly powrful, and John killing him is a huge feat, but he's not omnipotent.

The Presence, on the other hand...

The Presence did agree with him. But what John said to him in a nutshell was "if I die, I'm going to hell. And we both know that if that happens, I'm gonna be running the place in half a century, tops. And we both know that you REALLY don't want this to happen."

So John sort of threatened The Presence, which is rediculous at first glance, but downright impressive.

JC

Battling omnipotents is impossible, so these omnipotents that John fought probably allowed him to win or they are not omnipotents.

ConJon loses to Lucifer.

@monsterstomp: i know but it's better than batman vs constantine.

@ghostrider2: That is true.

@the_red_viper: Yup, I remember what happened. They were sitting around a campfire and all that, and JohnCon needed Presence's help or he was going to die.

I love JohnCon, he's one of my top 5. But "threatening" an omnipotent isn't really possible, since he could just *poof* him out with the blink of an eye.

The only reason he didn't is because he doesn't just poof out his enemies. He gives them a chance. So the only reason that he agreed with JohnCon was because he was going to do it anyway, and he LIKED JohnCon. He didn't want to have to utterly destroy him once he became King of Hell.

Jmarshmallow

@jmarshmallow: True. The Presence is the all loving God and he loves all his litle children, he has a set of morals that he has to follow.

But the fact still remains that John WOULD have become the king of hell and that he WOULD have been a threat to The Presence.

@the_red_viper: The only thing the Presence acknowledge is that JohnCon would easily become King of Hell. Which is uber impressive.

But he would NOT have been a threat to the Presence. He would have been a threat to the Presence's army of Heaven. In the end, the Presence would come out, wiggle his finger and the war would be over.

Jmarshmallow

@jmarshmallow: Which means he would have been more dangerous that The First of the Fallen, who is God's conscience made flesh (or something like that), a nigh-omnipotent lord of hell.

@the_red_viper: Yup. But still not omnipotent, which is the only point I'm making.

Jmarshmallow

Never said he was.

@the_red_viper: Glad we're on the same page then.

Jmarshmallow

@jmarshmallow: So how do you like 'em apples?

@the_red_viper: I LOVE dem apples.

Jmarshmallow

Consider this thread resurrected.

Round 1: Batman wins. Constantine cheats, you say? So does Batman.

Round 2: Batman wins. Constantine has outsmarted/outwitted god-beings, you say? So has Batman.

Round 3: Batman wins. Constantine is great at prep, but no one thinks or preps like Bruce. His mind works on a whole other level.

Round 4: Batman wins. Constantine has a large amount of resources at his disposal, you say? Batman has more. Not going to bother with scans. (maybe I'll edit some in later)

Constantine is really overhyped by some here.

Overall prep he is not on Batman's level. He's a better manipulator then Bruce but that's really about it

@annamalhouse: I think you have it twisted, Batman's prep is quite overrated compared to Constantine, he doesn't have comparable feats.

Constantine

Constantine wins, he's the true prep god of DC.