PH R2: Cosmicallyaware1 (SBP) vs Jacthripper (Cap Atom)

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Intro

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to one of the most stacked tourneys the Vine has ever had! We have multiple (future) hall of famers here, using the most powerful characters in comics (and anime). With the start of round 2, many of the less experienced debaters have been eliminated, leaving the Vine's upper echelon to duke it out for the prize of first place!

The Characters!

Super Boy Prime!

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Cosmic's champion is one of the most insane characters in comics, who made us gasp with horror during Infinite Crisis when he heartlessly slaughtered hero after hero, please welcome @cosmicallyaware1 and Superboy-Prime (with armor)!

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CAPTAIN ATOM!!!!

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Captain Atom (immune to TP)

@jacthripper's champion is the mighty Nathaniel Adam, who possesses vast energy manipulation powers but is too afraid that he'll hurt someone to fight often. However, he's one of the most powerful heroes in the DCU, and will be a formidable foe

Rules of Engagement!

As always we must create guidelines for the contestants to abide by, lest someone attempt to cheat their opponent out of a match. Here they are:

  • No time manipulation
  • Must be below skyfather. If Odin has too much trouble with your character, they're probably too much for the tournament.
  • No reality warping. Or if your character does have reality warping, they will not be allowed to use it.
  • BFR is not allowed
  • No prep.
  • No possessing opponents. TP and soul attacks are allowed though. For example Deadman wouldn't be allowed.
  • Please be polite and courteous
  • Fight takes place here:
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Voting

Those with 1000 votes or more will qualify for voting

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Thats not a pic of SBP....

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Lol you had a pic of hellstrom up there for a minute....

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Lol you had a pic of hellstrom up there for a minute....

that's what you get by copying from others :P

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Noice I'll have to keep this bookmarked

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Tag for votesss

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@cosmicallyaware1: If you wouldn't mind opening, I've got some real life stuff to deal with for tonight and maybe tomorrow. If I get free tonight I'll have it up, otherwise I'll be posting tomorrow night at the earliest.

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@cosmicallyaware1: If you wouldn't mind opening, I've got some real life stuff to deal with for tonight and maybe tomorrow. If I get free tonight I'll have it up, otherwise I'll be posting tomorrow night at the earliest.

I have quite a few other CaV matches I'm working on replying to. I can get my Intro post up (that's how I always lead) soon enough, but not until tomorrow either....

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@jacthripper: let's kick this one off bud! Introduction time:

Cosmic's showcase: Superboy-Prime

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Biography:

Superboy-Prime was raised on a parallel world dubbed Earth-Prime. He was thought to be a normal child. He was adopted by Jerry and Naomi Kent, who named him Clark, Naomi's maiden name, and after the fictional comic book character in their world. It turned out he really was Kal-El and was teleported to Earth-Prime before theKrypton of this universe was destroyed when its sun went supernova. The Superboy of Earth-Prime left his reality shortly after discovering his new abilities as Halley's Comet passed by activating his Kryptonian powers, In a twist of fate the Earth-One Superman was passing by and saw yet another Superman and asked him to join other heroes in protecting reality itself from theAnti-Monitor during the Crisis on Infinite Earths. His reward, along with Alexander Luthor, Jr. of Earth-3, Golden Age Superman, Kal-L, and Lois Lane of Earth-2, was a chance to escape to an apparent heavenly pocket dimension before reality fixed itself after the Crisis.

Never aging in the Paradise dimension, with a view of the world he can never be a part of (post-Crisis Earth), Superboy-Prime came to despise his situation. He lost his childhood, and he could never grow up to be Superman, his idol of Earth-2. His envy and anger boiled as he watched the world he had saved become darker.

He believed its heroes were losing the fight for justice, and he was especially angered by Superboy,Connor Kent, for taking his name and what he believed should be his life. Regretting his decision, he escaped with the help of Alexander Luthor, and the two set off the chain of events which brought about theInfinite Crisis, an attempt to recreate the world in their image. Having been exposed to yellow sunlight and reveling in his strength, he was the cause of many of the atrocities during the Infinite Crisis.

The main stories he played an protagonist in include: Infinite Crisis, The Sinestro Corps War, Legion of Three Worlds, and Legion of Doom (there are others but those are Key.)

He is undoubtedly one of the most twisted and evil versions of the Superman family ever showcased. Adding in his relatively higher powerset than most versions of Kal (attributed to his lack of morals and self control), he is one of the strongest and dangerous characters ever to be shown in DC Comics (excluding abstract level beings).

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Powers and Abilities!

Superboy-Prime possessed just about the same powers as Superman although they appear to be more powerful due to his lack of moral compass and any inhibitions. Superboy-Prime's power levels are reminiscent of the powerful Silver Age Superman, accomplishing such feats as overpowering two Supermen, punching planets and moving them with ease and defeating or killing many other DC heroes.

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Let's do a quick overview for those who are not familiar:

  • Strength: Clearly above the vaunted "class 100" category, Prime can move planets with ease. He easily took on two Supermen at one time, and took a pounding from the collective likes of Martian Manhunter, Supergirl, Power Girl, Daxamities such as Mon-El and Andromita and the entire Green Lantern Corps . Similarly, he was able to hurt Green Lantern Sodam Yat who had the power of Ion (Entity empowerment, right below Guardian level).
  • Speed and Flight: Simply put, Prime can travel faster than the speed of light or fly faster to cross the time barrier to travel back in time.
  • Durability/Invulnerability: There wasn't much shown able to harm Prime and I will showcase this in more detail later on. He can fly into a sun unharmed like the Silver Age Superman. And was able to survive a Guardian of the universe/OA exploding at point blank range. He tanked attacks from pretty much every high powered being in the DCU and even showcased an invulnerability to Magic ranging from Mordru to Black Adam's mystically empowered attacks.
  • Vision Abilities: As Kal has the potent Heat Vision, so does Prime. He can generate an intense beam of heat to melt most anything and it was powerful enough to shoot through Kal's hand and penetrate the chest of Superman. In addition to the Heat Vision, Prime has: x-ray, microscope vision and telescope vision that was strong enough to see across universes.
  • Healing Factor: Superboy-Prime can heal from a vast majority of wounds instantly.
  • Energy Absorbing: Prime like any Superman absorbs different forms of radiation and draws power from yellow sunlight, but appears to absorb it back faster and reach full power sooner. He has also been able to absorb the energy from a Guardian of The Universe and used it to increase his age, but only temporally
  • Others: The "Super Breath" which can create hurricane, freeze foes or blow out stars. Also extraordinary Sensory Perceptions such as Hearing and others.

Paraphernalia // The Armor!

The first incarnation of the armor, which was known only as "The Monitor Armor" was stolen from a museum that existed in a parallel universe which had somehow become trapped or replicated within The Speed Force.

But that first armor however was destroyed when the Supermen of New Earth and Earth-Two sent Prime flying into the Rao of New-Earth. The Sinestro Corps variant of the armor was designed by Prime, who was inspired to model it after The Anti-Monitor's Armor once he got a hold of the information that allowed him to see how his armor functioned. This version of the Armor was also destroyed during a battle with Earth's Heroes.

As Prime has only been shown to wear the suit after he has been depowered, it is debatable as to whether it is used as a recovery suite or a power enhancer beyond his normal limit. However, it should be noted that Prime once indicated to his opponents that destroying the suite would not help because he was almost "whole again". Contrary to common belief, no version of this armor is capable of protecting Prime from the effects of Red Sunlight or powers that can reproduce the effects of Red Sunlight.

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Why Prime will reign victorious?

SBP is one insanely powerful foe, and one that Nathaniel simply cannot dispatch . He has a powerset that is too much for Captain Atom to handle, which I will go into detail about in upcoming posts. Prime has the ferocity and lack of morals that will be needed to combat Captain Atom's versatility, the power to pull it off, and the experience. Nathaniel doesn't stand a chance here....... let me give all a sneak peek on the sections I will discuss in following posts....

  1. Statistical Breakdown: Strength, Speed, and Durability. How to overcome adversity.
  2. Who has the greater feats? Let's look........ who trumps who?
  3. Foes dispatched..............the fallen.
  4. Finale: Slitting Atoms.

And with that, the ball is now in your court good sir........

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#21  Edited By Beware_My_Power

This is epic.

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@jacthripper: dude literally all you have to do is copy-paste an intro from one of your other threads....

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Tag me for voting please.

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@cosmicallyaware1: Let's get one hell of an opener up!

Introducing...

Captain Atom

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Now...

Interestingly enough, I have chosen a Composite Version of Captain Atom, this means that he not only possesses his Standard Pre-52 feats, but also possesses feats from the New 52, and even from his short stint as Monarch. Between all of these incarnations the good Captain has a plethora of powerful abilities, which include:

  • Quantum Field Manipulation - Captain Atom's metal skin is a conduit that is connected directly to the Quantum Field, a limitless void of all matter and all energy that enables him to absorb, generate and manipulate infinite amounts of energy and matter. The amount of which he can use is limited by his willpower, scientific knowledge, and imagination. The Quantum Field has given him various uses, and many of which are unknown. Although he is able to use it with limitless potential, he most commonly uses it for his superhuman physical abilities, and his ability to manipulate energy and matter. The Quantum Field also grants him various immunities and/or resistances against telepathy and molecular manipulation.
  • Invulnerability - Dilustel metal "skin" has a symbiotic relationship with Captain Atom's body and is virtually indestructible, highly resistant to various degrees of damage from energy, heat, lasers, missiles, warheads, the interior of a black hole, etc. In certain situations, his skin can be breached, most notably by X-ionized weapons or weapons that are made to cut/punch through any surface (Crimson Avenger's enchanted bullets, Zealot's swords, etc.). Against physical force, he's shown to withstand punishment from some of the strongest beings (Wonder Woman, Major Force, Mr. Majestic, Ultraa, Apollo, Orion, Maul, Power Girl, etc) without having his skin breached. His invulnerability extends to being impervious to certain magical spells and attacks.
  • Superhuman endurance - The energies of the Quantum Field sustain Captain Atom. When covered in his Dilustel skin, he has no need for food, sleep, or oxygen. He can survive in outer space and doesn't need to breathe. His endurance is increased to superhuman levels, and he can perform strenuous activity for a long and undefined period.
  • Energy Projection and Manipulation - He is able to emit blasts of any type of quantum-based energy from any part of his body at once, but normally prefers using his hands for ease of aim. He is able to control the magnitude and wavelength of his energy blasts at will. He can stun his opponents with his blasts at the lowest setting. But, at higher settings, he's shown to blow up aircraft (ranging from fighter jets to large spaceships, such as Kobra's Ark), tanks, stagger powerful super-powered beings, incinerate a human being down to their bones or completely vaporize them, detonate atomic explosions, and the list goes on. At one point, the force from high-powered blasts have started earthquakes (while Atom was fighting another being underground). With the Quantum Field, he is able to generate and manipulate forces along the Unified Field (fundamental forces). In the same way, he learned to access weak force energy, manipulate gravitational forces, and electromagnetism (has generated pure light from his body, and manipulated electromagnetism to shut of the Ray's powers with a simple blast of energy). The Quantum Field also grants his Quantum blasts with the effect of intense heat, and he has shown to be able to melt down dense metallic substances and heat things up with what he likes to call 'Quantum heat.' At one point, he applied his energy manipulation to manipulate the electric impulses in one's brain, in order to put them to sleep. Captain Atom is also able to generate energy shields (strong enough to stop things as powerful as entropy) around himself, and others. He was once able to transmute the force of an energy blast, as well.
  • Godlike Strength- The limits of Captain Atom's physical strength are unknown, but based on his showings, he is well in excess of Class 100 and is well within Superman's strength class, although not exactly equal to him. To date, he's been able to physically fight and/or inflict damage on beings such as Wonder Woman, Mr, Majestic, Ultraa, Major Force, Superman (who was brainwashed at the time), and the like. It was stated that he is strong enough to move around mountains.
  • Superhuman Reflexes - Captain Atom is able to think, move and react at superhuman speeds, significantly greater than humans. Dr. Heinrich Megala revealed that Captain Atom was once able to move faster than he could think during his experimental testing of Captain Atom's powers. He has shown to react fast enough to stop bullets with his hand, and move fast enough to intercept gunfire after it's already left the barrel. He has also displayed some level of superhuman speed during his battle with Ultraa. Recently in the New-52 reboot, Captain Atom had a lengthy conversation with the Flash, which happened in the space of 3 thousandths of a second.
  • Energy Absorption - Extreme energy absorption that's second to none in the DC Universe. With proper control, concentration, and regulation of his energy absorption rate, he is capable of absorb infinite amounts of energy to avoid quantum jumping through time. There is almost no form of energy that Captain Atom is unable to absorb. In the new 52 he absorbed a Nuclear Bomb. However, it has often happened when he has had to absorb huge amounts of energy that he involuntarily Quantum Leaps through time and space,
  • Techno-Interface - He has also shown the ability to telepathically interface with computer networks and the binary system.
  • Matter Manipulation - He has shown to manipulate cohesive force to make 'protomatter.' On occasion, he has shown to transmute solid objects, akin to Firestorm, having transmuted Green Arrow's arrows into butterflies and a firearm into a toy spaceship. He used his ability to affect matter on an atomic scale to turn Maul and Engineer back into their human forms. Depending on the situation, it appears as if this ability is used on instinct or with some level of concentration. At one point, he was able to create a universe within the Quantum Field. In the new 52 he was able to turn two fighter jets into feathers.
  • Flight - Ability to fly at supersonic speeds (speeds at Earth's escape velocity or greater) in an atmosphere and at sub-light speeds (more than half the speed of light) in interstellar space & when traveling interstellar distances. However, Captain Atom claims that he can hit light speed if he wants to.

And now, I'll explain exactly why Nathaniel is more than a match for Young Clark.

All that Matters

I apologize for the bad pun, but it's true! Matter manipulation is what will win this fight for CA. Not only can he match SBP physically, but he can just transmute him if necessary!

Bye Bye Birdie!
Bye Bye Birdie!

And since I'm sure you have some sort of counter for this, I won't go in any further at this time.

Close can Count

Atom here is actually about as close as one can get to Boy Prime. How? His powers are based on his willpower, so if he can think it, he can essentially do it. This means he can match Primes stats.

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@jacthripper: whew! This is going to be interesting!!!!!!! I have my work cut out for me here, I sense quite a difficult argument on my part. Good intro (but not as good as mine hahahahah). I will get my strategy / round 1 post up asap.

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@cosmicallyaware1: Sorry if the intro seemed a bit cut short, problems were had and I to post and bail. Good luck!

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#32  Edited By cosmicallyaware1

@cosmicallyaware1: Sorry if the intro seemed a bit cut short, problems were had and I to post and bail. Good luck!

no worries, all good. I will have my post up ASAP.

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@cosmicallyaware1: Bump

I know, you're probably busy (I am too) but this'll make it easier to find the match again.

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@thenewbluebeetle007: Can we have an extension? I really want to finish this debate. If not, let cosmic go ahead, his opener was better than mine.

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@thenewbluebeetle007: Can we have an extension? I really want to finish this debate. If not, let cosmic go ahead, his opener was better than mine.

an extension would be fantastic. I absolutely plan on finishing this.

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@jacthripper said:

@thenewbluebeetle007: Can we have an extension? I really want to finish this debate. If not, let cosmic go ahead, his opener was better than mine.

an extension would be fantastic. I absolutely plan on finishing this.

Yeah. Just between us, I'm not actually going to set a strict time limit which you HAVE to finish by. But do try to finish ASAP.

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@thenewbluebeetle007: @jacthripper: gentlemen. I have come to a decision. As I have had little time to work on this, I was working on my reply today. I had an epiphany: this will be too much of a difficult argument to pull off here. I honestly feel that composite Atom will edge a win off Prime time and time again. Because of that and the difficulty I'm having getting time on the vine lately.......

I Concede the match.

I do this with a heavy heart. allow Jac to move forward. and honestly after the last match I had with SBP, I have lost my desire to showcase him again, especially against a doe like Captain Atom (I feel that I will just be regurgitating some of the same argument I used against some of Sentry's abilities anyway). My biggest points that I was going to use would have been:

  • SBP's easy defeat of Breach (alt version Cap Atom)
  • Cap Atom's shell being ruptured previously (such as in Kingdom Come)

But seeing as this is a composite version, with the nu-52 Atom...........I know it won't hold too much relevance.

This way the tourney can continue without my delay, and I will be able to focus on other matches. I apologize deeply guys, I hope to have the opportunity again to debate with @jacthripper as we have never had a match. And @thenewbluebeetle007 I thank you for having me in the tourney.

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@cosmicallyaware1:

:(

Well, at least now you can respond to our superman vs quasar! (Kidding, but seriously get on that)

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@cosmicallyaware1:

:(

Well, at least now you can respond to our superman vs quasar! (Kidding, but seriously get on that)

lol, there are a few other matches that I need to post in before that. But I will get to it eventually my man ;)

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@cosmicallyaware1: it's all right. Your response is kinda like quasar, being insanely slow compared to my man supes ;)

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@cosmicallyaware1: it's all right. Your response is kinda like quasar, being insanely slow compared to my man supes ;)

bwahahahahahahahaha. not true. But will cover that in my presentation. Funny guy.

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#49  Edited By Jacthripper

@cosmicallyaware1: It's sad to miss out on such a grand oppurtunity of a match. Are you sure you do not want to press on? I would also have happily conceded.

Good Luck with all of your other ventures.

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@cosmicallyaware1: It's sad to miss out on such a grand oppurtunity of a match. Are you sure you do not want to press on? I would also have happily conceded.

Good Luck with all of your other ventures.

It's nothing personal against you man. I just feel that with all my other matches/CaV's/obligations and the fact that I would really have to be reaching for a plausible win here it's best to bow down in this one.

We will have another opportunity for a debate rest assured mate!