Hulk vs. Dr. Sivana

Dr. Bruce Banner, AKA The Incredible Hulk

vs.

Dr. Thaddeus Sivana

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- Banner gets 1 week prep. Sivana gets 1 month prep.

- Battlefield: Asgard

- Banner is poked 35 times before the battle, causing him to transform into the Hulk.

- In character.

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Dr. Bruce Banner, AKA The Incredible Hulk wins.

I can only imagine wat would've happened if he got poked 36 times!

Why am I not surprised by that reply?

The Hulk

Does anyone here realize that Sivana is a Captain Marvel villain...?

Nice Hulk picture!

Sivana.

Bump

Bump!

Didn't Sivana help Lex Luthor kill a god, in Final Crisis?

@joygirl: Sivana got punked by Black Adam

Hulk.

@frozenphoenix: Who is superior to the Hulk in every way and therefore irrelevant.

Banner might be smart enough to take this even without transforming.

Has BA ever torn two suns apart or shook multiple dimensions?

@betatesthighlander1: Not that I know of. He never got knocked out by Captain America either.

@joygirl: Not that I know of. He never got knocked out by Captain America either.

LMAO!!!!! I love it.

Lol

@joygirl:

I didn't peg you as a lowballer. Have you no love for Ol' Greenskin? He smashed for our sins.

@godtriggerhulk: It's not my fault Hulk's inconsistent as all hell. :P If you're gonna highball the hell out of him by having him smash universes, expect me to respond in kind. :P

Hulk lasted more than 3 seconds against Odin, which is much more than I could say about BA.

I don't like Hulk much and Teth is one of my faves, but saying he is easily superior to the incredible bulk is debatable.

@joygirl:

@frozenphoenix: Adam never fought Odin. O.o

Adam was able to one-shot through a forcefield that was designed to withstand an asteroid of apocalyptic size -- the entire JSA (including PG, Jay, and Alan) was unable to even crack it.

But whatever, this isn't about him, it's about Sivana.

I'm curious as to what versions of Banner would transform after 30 pokes, and which ones would control their anger.

@frozenphoenix: This is 35 pokes. :D

@joygirl: Oh wow, well that's just pushing him too much.

@joygirl:

I can assure you that Cap knocking out The Hulk is absurd. I mean if that was his actual power level then how would he have survived any of his many encounters with the army?

I can't speak for other debaters but I generally find it's better to present more concrete Hulk feats rather than the less quantifiable ones, ie The Hulk's dimensional destruction feats.

I'm more inclined to post scans of him generating more force than the fiercest hurricane with a thunderclap, wielding tectonic plates, crushing adamantium, trading blows with Thor, his team-busting escapades, planetary destruction and of course his reaction/speed feats.

This question is often asked in a mean way (it shouldn't) but I must know. How would you rate your knowledge on The Hulk?

I sometimes fall into the trap of looking up low showings to make other characters look weak. This is sometime an effective tool in debates, but it spoils otherwise good stories.

I actually did this with a character you seem to enjoy, namely Black Adam. I actually picked up a very cheap trade of WWIII, just to see whether or not BA was really so impressive. My internal goal was to make Black Adam seem weak, and not without some success.

I combed the pages and panels in a desperate search for combat statistics and then stopped. I was losing sight of the character by only focusing on low balling him. I started the comic again from the beginning and it was pretty good. If we treat other characters as mere obstacles in the way of our favorites then we become rabid fanboys. It's better to acknowledge the true strength of both characters when debating, rather than low balling. Heck even high balling both is preferable.

I'm not perfect, in fact just earlier in this thread I made a snap judgement vis a vis Banner's intellect versus Sivanna's. I didn't have enough info to make that claim. Could you post feats of Sivanna's tech?

@godtriggerhulk: Very well-spoken. O_O I'm kinda impressed.

Sivana I am actually not well-versed in. Though I do recall he had a large hand in creating the Four Horsemen in the 52 storyline and unless I'm mistaken has some teambusting feats. He also definitely made some kind of dimensional portal... lemme try to find it.

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Okay, after a good while of looking I found this scene with his kids playing with his time travel. Later there's another scene where he plays with raw suspendium (artificial time) which he is apparently able to harness. It's worth noting that Dr. Tyme thinks that suspendium is freaking crazy.

Besides helping to build the Horsemen (just one of which killed Isis) this is all I can find at moment's notice. Not really a Sivana buff.

@joygirl:

Thank you.

Looks like he's good at physics stuff (dimensional portals and time things) and artificial life creation (Four Horsemen.)

@godtriggerhulk: Does seem like that. May not be enough to take down Hulk but with a month of prep he's gonna have some serious death rays and probably some huge killer robots to be his bodyguards... among other stuff.

@joygirl: Does seem like that. May not be enough to take down Hulk but with a month of prep he's gonna have some serious death rays and probably some huge killer robots to be his bodyguards... among other stuff.

Agreed. This guy (and Ultra-Humanite for that matter) were THE prototypical "Mad Scientists" of the Golden Age of Comics at Fawcett and DC Comics. Given enough time (like a month's prep perhaps...:), he will invent all kinds of off the wall sh*t to fight off a Captain Marvel-level threat. You know, like he does on the regular.