Because Mysterio can decide that's a valid tactic with only a month? Unless he read that one comic, I don't see how he would think of that.
Weather Wizard didn't read the comic, yet he used it as a valid tactic. There's also the fact that my team has obtained information 30 minutes before the fight explaining who your team is & what they're capable of. If Vader is as threatening & capable of what you're saying he is in this fight then my team has no reason to hold back against him, especially when nobody on my team truly has any moral obligation against killing.
What I’m saying is that Mardon had the wand for years, and used it once, I’m questioning why he would do it.
There's also the fact that we've used the Battle Computer & have played out millions of potential scenarios for this battle, we know what works & what doesn't. Unfortunately for you, your team doesn't have that luxury, and Mysterio does. He knows an internal storm would instantly decommission Vader from the fight.
Plus, we've got some incredibly intelligent combatants on our team, and Mysterio gets a MONTH to train with that wand. The original Weather Wizard wasn't any sort of genius nor did he require specific training to create a storm in someones stomach, so as I see it - this tactic is 100% valid & entirely possible.
Possible, yes. Is it likely though? There are a great many other things he can do with the Wand, why the storm in stomach route? You also are in another dimension, unless that has changed suddenly, you can’t manipulate the Weather from another dimension.
This is the guy who had his arms sliced off, had most of his flesh burned off, and as I showed, stabbed himself. Lantern Rings can also drop you in a pocket dimension
Vader is also immortal with the blade. He’s not going down that easily; he can take the pain in step. What else do I need to show to prove that, him being electrified by Sidious?
Mysterio can disarm Vader without even leaving the Mirror World - and he can pick which items to BFR. Here's a selection of panels to demonstrate that.
As you see - he only took the drawers/containers in the vault, he didn't take the entire shelving complex, nor did he take the step stool. The BFR can be selected by the user, and in this case we can BFR the Ebony Blade to prevent Vader from reviving himself after that Tornado gets planted inside his gut.
He also is standing in the real world for that strike, unless he did it from within the mirror dimension, that doesn’t show he can do that outside of the dimension. Even if he could, Vader is standing in a personal force field, rocking reactions allowing him to dogfight at hundreds of mph and shred other craft. Unless that beam can go through his hard light constructs, that means nothing.
\Vader doesn't have the force abilities to sense beings in another dimension, because that's what the Mirror World is & Mysterio & Ock don't need to leave it to do the damage they're planning to do in this scenario; worst case scenario requires one of them to stick only their hand out of the Mirror World via any reflective surface while most of what they do can be accomplished by harming Vader's reflection.
By that same token, you can’t telepathically communicate the battle computer to them. So everything coming from that would be gone.
As the first panel shows, people in the Mirror World are capable of firing into the real world by only putting their hand into the real world; however, most of this can be avoided by harming the Mirror World Version/Reflection of a person that can't fight back in any way, shape, or form. Thus, Mysterio can do all this damage without actually having to place himself in any sort of harm.
Again, precog/reaction and superspeed, you won’t hit Vader with a blast of any sort. Unless these blasts have actually shown some form of damage piercing hard light constructs or magic shields.
Then he can choke you out, or spear you with constructs before you even think about trying something. His power is great enough that he can choke a dude out from a completely separate ship casually, course he can always do this with a construct too. He could even pull you close enough so that he can just gut you with the Ebony Blade
Still not powerful enough to harm Mysterio or SpOck while they're in the mirror world, that's a different dimension entirely.
I’ll get into that later, for now, they start on the battlefield, what’s stopping Harry from disarming your tech from the start? It only takes a two syllable word to do that.
So even if you are behind me, I can sense you, pull you towards me (immobilized of course) and chop you into tiny little pieces. You're only possible resistance to this would be Kid Omega's telekinesis, which he'll be struggling to use as he'll be under attack from Harry Dresden
We don't even have to leave the Mirror World to do what I'm saying we'll do - SpOck can harm Vader's reflection with the philosophers stone & it'll transmute the real version, or Mysterio can plant that tornado in the reflection's stomach to blow the real Vader to bits.
Unless we’re invisible, turns out Harry can do that pretty easily, it’s called a veil, and it hides you from view magically. Anyways, I thought you were going to put a tornado in my belly first by the time that doesn’t work you’ll be dead.
As for Dresden, we don't need to worry about him. He'll be blind & my team knows anything & everything he's going to do in this fight before he even knows he'll do it. We have total control of the battlefield & this entire maneuver won't take more than 10 seconds.
Actually, as it turns out, Midnighter’s Battle computer can’t predict magic, because it breaks physical laws that the battle computer needs. An example was when Eidolon, a magically empowered being let Midnighter hurt him terribly, where he should have been dead, and then magically healed himself, completely surprising Midnighter.
Again, why would Mysterio do that when he could just as easily jump out of a window or a shiny piece of metal? There is no foundation in Mysterio creating a tornado in Vader's stomach, something that the Weather Wizard only did once, while bloodlusted, nor jumping out of the eyes seems practical, especially when Mysterio is all about being unseen.
You answered your own question in this post when you said Mysterio is all about being unseen. Why would he jump out of the Mirror World to hurt your team when I've just shown he's fully capable of doing so while residing in an entirely different dimension?
Because he can’t do that from another dimension, it’s impossible, he would have to manipulate the Weather in the atmosphere.
There IS a foundation in Mysterio creating a tornado in Vader's stomach due to the fact that Mysterio knows what Vader is capable of thanks to the information given to us by S.H.I.E.L.D 30 minutes into our hour of prep, along with the fact that Kid Omega created a TP link & shared all the scenarios that the Battle Computer displayed of this fight, which would be millions of scenarios & possibilities.
If I can’t sense you in the mirror realm, you can’t communicate via TP either, so no Battle Computer.
In this case, planting a lethal storm inside the gut of a group of people who are here for the sole purpose of killing you (not just trying to put you in jail like Spider-Man normally would) is the easiest way of dispatching of them, especially when none of your team has a true resistance against this form of assault.
Your team doesn’t have a defense for magic, point? You don’t have a defense for Vader’s constructs short of being in another dimension. That cold field lets light in, otherwise we wouldn’t be able to see Captain Cold through it, which means that light, including ahrd light, can hit them, not to mention the force.
Also; Weather Wizard wasn't bloodlusted during Final Crisis: Rogues Revenge, he was just having a bad day - as the other Rogues were, and wanted to get rid of the idiots that stole their old gear.
Has the cold gun shown the ability to cover 60-100 ft tall men completely? To transmute him, you first have to transmute his ultimate shield first, which will give him plenty of time to step on you.
The Cold Gun specifically hasn't, but it'd still work if used on a portion of Greed's leg or something. Just shoot it, shatter it, and watch the giant fall.
However; that does point me to the powerful force that is Captain Cold's Cold Grenades:
As you can see in the above set of panels, a SINGLE Cold Grenade was able to encase the entirety of Iron Heights & some of the surrounding area in an iceberg. It would easily cover your giant team member, heck; it could catch your entire team in a single blast.
Or Vader grabs it with the force and shoves it back, that just puts you in a very bad spot
Harry uses a magnetism spell, he can easily duplicate this with the Staff of One (with much more potency) and rip all of the metal devices out of you're reach, including things like the Wand, the Cold Gun, Mirror Master's Gear, the T-Masks, etc. Without that, it will become a very short match.
The Weather Wand grants the user control over Earth's magnetic field. Weather Wizard went up against a Rogue named Magenta whose entire powerset relied on magnetism (she was like Magneto-lite) yet he made her feel pretty helpless during the Rogue War.
There's also the fact that SpOck & Mysterio are in another dimension so you can't steal their gear, and both Kid Omega & Sinister are surrounded by a field of Absolute Zero setup by SpOck during the prep phase, so anything you try to pull from their grip would just stop the moment it hit that field.
You’re right, but I don’t need to use magnetism. Also if it hit the field, they would have to reach out and grab it from the cold field, and we know what that does…
In any case, my tech heavy team is still very much armed & countering that attack should you get the chance to use it.
Still no defense for technology killing hex.
Once again, an elemental attack. Not a wise choice when I've got the Weather Wand. The thing is; since Mysterio's getting an entire month to practice with that thing all Weather will begin to defend him without him actively having to focus on it.
See, the climate protects him now, so trying to use lightning (the climate) against someone who the climate protects doesn't work. Also; if you're looking at that scan and saying that someone helped train him to do that, the "she" he's talking about is Blacksmith who has no formal training in anything regarding climate, Mardon used to just restrict himself due to Cold's Moral Code.
Can’t do that from another dimension.
Harry creates and controls a construct of a giant hand made of soulfire. He can utterly destroy you with something similar; soullfire (as implied) is the opposite of hellfire and burns at your soul.
That COULD MAYBE work if the Soulfire had a way of touching my team; remember two of them are in a different dimension while two of them are protected in a field of absolute zero.
Which does nothing against hard light, since light is able to pervade the cold field, hard light should be no different.
Harry shorts out all the technology in a room with a hex. Goodbye Tech!!! Of course I'll have to make sure I don't mess up the Omnitrix so I might have Norman get out of range, or focus the blast with the Staff of One.
That one is cool - but remember, he'd have to actually KNOW where my team is to do that, and at this point the battlefield is still covered in a thick fog, millions of Mirror Master illusions are running around, and Harry doesn't actually know that the abilities my team are using are via tech. He has no knowledge on any member of my team, while I've got entire dossiers on yours.
And he does, he has the Medusa Mask, which allows him to feel everyone on Earth, much more than your team.
It's hard to hit someone with a focused blast when you're blinded, your target is in another dimension, and you're under attack with illusions of your target flooding the battlefield.
It’s easy when you have the Third eye, or the Sight. This allows you to see all kinds of stuff, including auras, possible futures, and other dimensions, like the Mirror Realm, which it turns out I can visit with a nice spell.
You like your cold gun so much; I could always freeze you back
If you could hit me, then I'd just have Mysterio use the Weather Wand to create a heatwave to melt the ice, or SpOck could use his Pyrokinesis gained via the Dragon Talisman.
It doesn't, but you're attacking Vader first, so he'll have plenty of time to take them down. I can't post the scans now, but it took a psychically empowered Lois Lane, Hive Queen, and Superman to take him down, who he beat each alone, along with Hector Hammond while he was making people tear each other apart.So while you are trying to defend against the psychic assault, you're team will be in a rage trying to kill each other.
He went against foes that had to use either direct confrontation or psychic powers, the exact things that don't work against the Medusa Mask; however, I've got two members who would be unaffected by this because their in another dimension. You could TRY and manipulate a Phoenix powered Kid Omega, but the mask hasn't shown to work against anyone of that power level to my knowledge, especially with the buff's he has due to his gear.
Yes, but what level of empowerment, and how effective would he be at stopping your team from killing each other
There's also the fact that Dresden doesn't have a counter for being blinded in this fight, something easily done early on by Mysterio & his various duplicates. You seem to be forgetting that fact, it's really difficult to fight & fight accurately when you can't see anything & you're being attacked from another dimension.
You aren't superfast, so he kinda will.
Mysterio has the Rabbit Talisman, so he actually is super fast, he can go super sonic speeds with that thing. Plus he can be anywhere a reflective surface is, which is all over the entire battlefield.
Never supersonic, it’s visible to the human eye, it doesn’t even boost your reaction speeds, ask Tohru
He's got the speed, the maneuverability, and the equipment required to accomplish everything he needs to accomplish in a mere matter of seconds.
Of course, if you forget Vader’s supersonic reaction times, Harry’s “faster than vampire” speed.
He also can back up Vader's TP protection with the Staff of One.
I'm not attacking Vader w/TP so I don't see the point in this maneuver: P
He can also resurrect himself with the Staff of One, so good luck getting rid of him.
BFR him or the Staff to the Mirror World to prevent resurrection. If he does manage to resurrect, kill him the same way as before. If the Staff of One prevented all forms of death then it'd be an instant win for whatever teams had it because it's impossible for the user to die - which is false.
Yes, but can you do this before he counter attacks? He can remove all your tech with a two syllable word, how are you going to stop that?
He can just wave his Staff and watch you fall to pieces. And being morals off means he will do this as he wishes.
He can't see us, he can't sense us. We're attacking from a different dimension. He is completely out of his element in this situation & has no real chance of survival or a chance to fight back in all honesty.
I'm not immune, but I can disable it with relative ease, and put your very tech-heavy team out of the running.
Debunked.
Where?
Vader isn't the only one with TP protection, he can choke you out, block your attacks, and just destroy you.
Debunked.
Where?
If you could outduel Vader, I would be amazed.
No need to fight Vader in purely a sword fight, also no need to confront him in a physical match. Debunked.
You still haven’t shown anything getting past Vader’s defenses.
Will you do this before or after all your tech is gone, it takes one word, and you're attacking Vader first.
This entire attack can be done in mere seconds thanks to Mysterio's duplicates, super speed, and maneuverability. Our tech isn't going anywhere as I showed earlier. Debunked.
Have plenty of TP defense, so no.
Not after Vader & Harry get brought down in the first 3 - 5 seconds of this match.
You can’t move a kilometer in 3-5 seconds, especially not when Vader can sense and choke you out much faster.
Until Harry destroys the battle computer with a simple spell
Under the given circumstances he's not going to get the chance to do such, nor does he know we HAVE a Battle Computer, and he's still however far the starting distance is from my team due to Kid Omega having the Battle Computer for our team.
He does kinda see the far out tech you have, the spell isn’t targeting, it just wrecks everything tech-based.
Plus I provided plenty of counters for your plans to rid me of my tech.
Absolutely none for the hex.
Vader does, Harry does, and the storm in stomach, Greed and Osborn do.
- Vader doesn't unless you can prove to me that the Ring can protect a lantern from absolute zero temperatures or mimic them.
- I’ll work on that, but you can’t prove that Mysterio and SpOck are immune to force crush, which can take them out with a thought
- Harry doesn't nor would he know to protect himself from such an attack before it could happen.
- But Vader can protect him long enough to, and you have one person with superspeed, and Vader reacts to blaster bolts, jedi, and starships, which are all as afast or faster than the speed the Rabbit talisman grants.
- Greed doesn't.
- Except for regeneration that makes Deadpool look slow
- Osborn doesn't unless one of his aliens does; however, he'd have to know to be that alien before the attack hit him in the 3 to 5 seconds it'll take my team to enact this plan.
- You have one person with enhanced speed, that doesn’t make your whole team superfast.
- Nobody on your team is immune to ol' Storm in Stomach.
- None of your team is immune to the old construct through the face, magic, the Ebony Blade flying at superspeeds or phasing from Osborn.
If they get brought down before your team does, you're presuming you hit first, when you have no superhuman
They do get brought down before anyone on my team does for the following reasons:
- The battlefield is set to my teams advantage due to the hour of prep beforehand.
- You still have to start on the battlefield 1 km away
- My team knows everything about your team due to Perk Information & Battle Computer.
- Until half of it is in a different dimension, hope they have a good memory.
- My team knows where your team will be even before your team can make those moves thanks to the Battle Computer.
- Except for Harry’s magic, which the Battle Computer has trouble predicting
- Mirror Master does have Super Speed thanks to the Rabbit Talisman & he can easily maneuver the battlefield due to Mirror Master's equipment granting him access & control over the Mirror World.
- But he’s bringing SpOck, who has been clocked at 70 miles with his webshooters, you can’t leave him behind, you are only as fast as your slowest member.
My team is at a complete advantage in this scenario, our gear grants us the knowledge we need & the abilities to easily dispatch of your team without a hitch.
And my team can just dispatch you with a thought and a word; you really haven’t proved anything.
Vader is, considering Lanterns are immune to matter manip, plus he can sense you. Harry is, as he can just regen his eyes and the eyes of my other teammates.
It's not matter manipulation, nor is it actually harming the eye. Mirror Master's way of blinding is just blocking the basic function. If duplicates of Mysterio reside in the reflective surfaces of your eyes it prevents any light from entering them, thus it prevents the brain from processing what the eye is seeing. Nothing is actually "wrong" with the eye so there isn't anything to regenerate, nor is matter manipulation involved.
He can still sense you and your attacks, and are you doing this before or after everything else, the rabbit talisman doesn’t offer increased perception.
You're going to have to pull something big out of you're bag, because as of now, I don't see any reasons why Vader can't solo, nor Dresden. It's not so much you're team, it's just that you're gear is next to useless against the POWER OF THE DARK SIDE
Even the Power of the Dark Side won't help you survive this beatdown, Jac :)
You still haven’t shown me anything that can even damage this team.
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