Dedman's C-A-T Round 2: Retnex vs Matezoide

Good day,ladies and gentleman,today's fight is Retnex with our loved Matezoide (who happens to be me)
this Highrise takes place atop the ludicrously high Hong Kong ICC Tower. 
 

Retnex can give the starting argument

Since our characters can both sense danger (you with the super-human senses and me with the Chi),a sneak attack wont happen and rushing is prety much what Mr.Layton likes to do anyway,so we are likely to fight out-side (after all,the only way we could fight inside is if one of then stood still)
 
when the fight starts,and your character shoots booger spit/fire breath,but my dude is a bullet timer based on powers alone,i also got Richard Dragon's skills
as we know,Richard is one of DC's best fighters,if it were not for Karate-I-Can-Stop-Earthquakes-With-A-Quick-Kid,he could be the top fighter in DC, with his skills plus Iron Fist's powers,i will basicaly be a Super Iron Fist, dodging bullets,fire,thunders,etc... are a child's play for John Layton
Addtionaly,i am not completely defense-less in long range 
All that is required for me,is to dance around Logan to get closer,shooting Chi blasts if necessary and use the Muramasa Blade to one-shot him or knocking him out the bulding with a Iron Fist to the head
because of my superior reaction time,agility and ,specialy, fighting skills,John shouldnt have trouble getting within range
 
and sorry for the pic :P

" @Matezoide: LMFAO Karate i can stop an earthquake with a kick kid thats awesome "

" @Sherlock said:

" @Matezoide: LMFAO Karate i can stop an earthquake with a kick kid thats awesome "

and sadly,accurate :( "

 And don't worry about the pic :) "

the fact my character posses peak human stamina (without using Chi),helps a lot too 

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the fact my character posses peak human stamina (without using Chi),helps a lot too 

Where does that come from?   "

" @Retnex said:

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the fact my character posses peak human stamina (without using Chi),helps a lot too 

Where does that come from?   "

well,if someone trained to become as good as Richard Dragon,i assume he would be peak-human or ,at least, above the average person though i stilll posses Chi,wich gives my dude super-human-like status "

" @Matezoide said:

" @Retnex said:

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the fact my character posses peak human stamina (without using Chi),helps a lot too 

Where does that come from?   "

well,if someone trained to become as good as Richard Dragon,i assume he would be peak-human or ,at least, above the average person though i stilll posses Chi,wich gives my dude super-human-like status "

I'm not sure if the skill is obtained through practice or a matrix style downloading. It would seem like that's why peak human traits is listed on it's own. Like I said I don't know anything about chi, so I'll except that. But what if Logan created a wall of fire between the combatants? He might be able to block John off into a corner.   I probably can't make any more points other than the idea of setting everything around me on fire when you get close, killing us both. "

" that does makes sense,i`ll conced hereas for the wall,it would have to be prety long to prevent John from putting the sword (and some of his hand) through it,stabbing Logan and canceling his healing factor putting his hand on fire would certanly injure Layton,but thanks to the  Chi,he can heal the wounds faster and posses big pain tolerance (thanks to his fighting skills) addtionaly,Iron Fist punched the exploding train and wasnt seriously injured by it,and it was a big explosion,i would say that ,at the very least,John can take it long enough to beat Logan and use Chi to recover his injures "

" @Matezoide said:

" that does makes sense,i`ll conced hereas for the wall,it would have to be prety long to prevent John from putting the sword (and some of his hand) through it,stabbing Logan and canceling his healing factor putting his hand on fire would certanly injure Layton,but thanks to the  Chi,he can heal the wounds faster and posses big pain tolerance (thanks to his fighting skills) addtionaly,Iron Fist punched the exploding train and wasnt seriously injured by it,and it was a big explosion,i would say that ,at the very least,John can take it long enough to beat Logan and use Chi to recover his injures "

With the wall, I meant that he could do it when there is still some distance between the two. The "killing us both" idea is more about creating a huge burst of flame with no concern for Logan's survival.  The wall is to prevent John from getting close to Logan. That's why I said he might be able to block John in, if he uses strategy and backs John into a corner. "

Awesome debate so far guys :)

i just dont think Logan will have time to make a wall of fire (not like he can actualy do it,since he only shoots fire from his mouth and has no control over it)   

meh,i am prety sure Richard has been through worse and managed to keep his cool,dont see why Layton cant

Logan`s main power is long range,and he isnt aware of how out-matched he is in close range,if Layton gets close,Logan would probaly use the claws (or try to hit him with fire)

thats not to mention all the free space and cover that is on the arena and that can be used by Layton to evade the fire and get close to him

not to mention,Layton still posses his Chi blasts (you saw the scans) to injure or distract Logan (even if just for a second) 

@Retnex:
Why couldn't he? I'd imagine the flames would be a long stream like a flame thrower. All he has to do is purse his lips and blow from left to right, which sounds disgusting now that I typed that out. 

 Being on fire!? Like I said, having a sleeve on fire wouldn't cause panic. But being covered in flames would not only hurt like crazy, but distort your senses too. I think he'd at least have to find some time to put himself out

Yep. Though Logan's powers are based on long range. So he'll focus on that and try not to get face to face. Besides, your guy has a sword.

The cover would be useful for both of us. If objects are blocking John's path, then Logan only has to set the gaps between them on fire. If he tries to climb over them, it's a small range of area that can be hit quick. 

 

 True, but the situation is your guy trying to get close to me while my guy gets to hold still and focus. Plus my guy has more long range capabilities, so John will be more distracted than Logan. Besides, with my senses dodging might not be impossible for my guy either.

in a case like this,Layton can jump to evade the flames and get behind your guy    
specialy when my guy is a prety good jumper   
all he needs to do is jump from object to object

i suppose your right,but should my character be hit by the fire in close range (possibly mid-swinging his sword),i think he has enough time to slash Logan before the fire causes any real damage 

Correct,but theres a fairily large amount of objects,Logan would have to a hard time setting all gaps betwen then on fire

" @Matezoide:  Go to voting, I was actually about to suggest that. My time is getting shorter. "

Hey now! That is my job!!!!!!!!
 

But yeah, begun this thread's voting has!

Well let's see what we got here. A flaming, booga throwin', shotgun shootin', corrosive touchin' animal up against a samurai swordin', chi manipulatin' martial artiste. Pretty good match up if I do say so myself, which I totally do. So the main question of the debate is whether Matezoide's dude,  John Layton, will be able to force himself through the fire and flames in order to get to Retnex's guy, Logan Blaze, for a solid victory. While it is true that Layton's chi allows for projectile assaults, I agree with Retnex's notion that in the long range department Blaze should have the definitive long range advantage. That said, if any close range fighting were to occur, the win would most likely go to Layton. A skilled martial artist against someone who spits boogers in his down time, no contest. But like I said, the main issue for Layton will be turning what Blaze has set up as a long range battle into a short to mid range one. 
 
Based on the arguments presented, Retnex did a great job in molding the confrontation to his character's advantage. Keeping the distance between the two characters while also forcing the character to endure walls of fire in order to move closer definitely seems sound, and since Blaze's healing factor is automatic, that takes away any fatigue he may undergo during the fight, meaning all that really needs to be done is outlast Layton while keeping his distance, and then when Layton tries to heal himself with his chi, something that isn't automatic, it's just a matter of shooting him with more fire while his guard is down. 
 
Great debate for both of you. Took me a couple of re-reads to actually pick a winner, but at the end of the day, Retnex sold me more on his strategy. So my vote goes to him. 
 
1-0 Retnex leads.

Im gonna go with Retnex 2-1

Im gonna go Layton here Mate 3-2

Retnex did a good job of defending his character, but I'm still not convinced Logan could take a majority. 
 
Matezoide 4-2

bump for moar votes :D

voting for Matezoide 

final bump
 
6-2

Since all matches are in voting, I'll end them on Friday and start the next round on Monday. So start pming people for votes!

" @Matezoide:  Okay, I'll go pay off a bunch of people to vote for me before he does, including Dedman ;) "

" @Matezoide: 
Already did ;)
 
@DedmanWalkin:

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$50 sound good?

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Matezoide gets my vote.