Batman (Nolan) vs Catwoman (2004)

Halle Berry Catwoman beats him up.

@anthp2000: I don't think so.

Feats for Catwoman? Wasn't she superhuman?

Finally, a battle Catwoman wins.

Exactly.

She would stomp his ass. In a game of street hoops.

@jedixman:

Batman

Catwoman was superhuman. She is too fast for a human Batman.

Batman. Kind of cool to see Halle Berry's Catwoman used in a battle though

Feats for Nolan Batman:

1) Immediately kicked through a solid brick pillar after putting on a knee brace, with zero cartilage in his knee

2) Regained complete physical health after breaking his back and having his spine punched into place, along with working out for a bit. He didn't even need the knee brace anymore, and then cleared a jump that only one person was ever known to make.

3) Survived a 10+ story fall with the added weight of a grown woman, with just a fabric cape and no injuries to either party

4) Survived a trek on foot across a remote location in a Middle Eastern desert, with almost no supplies or money. He then made it halfway across the planet in what appears to be under 24 hours.

Nolan Batman may seem underwhelming, but he has reality warping feats on 5D Imp levels.

Catwoman wins this.

He might have a better chance against this Catman.

Batman in an extremely close fight. His stealth is a very big factor.

catwoman low diffs him

What feats does Catwoman have in this film again? Batman is able to cut a bullet with his gauntlet and punches Deadshot into a train so hard it dents it, which is calced to wall level.

Bullet timing, Batman Begins PS2:

Love this shit. Wants to argue for Nolan Batman but knows his feats are so bad in the movies he can only use a vaguely tied in cartoon and a non canon video game adaptation.

No Frozen, please don’t tag me with some Twitter quotes about how Gotham Knight is canon because Nolans coffee boy demanded Bruce have the same hairstyle or something.

Batman in the film scales to Bane, who has wall level striking. Choreography isn’t a valid metric to downscale, so there’s no argument to be had there. TDK/TDKR Batman are stated > Begins Batman.

Nothing non canon about it.

Gotham Knight (2008) is canon

Also, I’m aware that there will be an attempt to say Gotham Knight is non-canon to the Nolanverse. This is allegedly the case per IMDb. However, no actual source is given.

According to DC’s president at the time of its press release, it is canon to the Nolanverse. Taking place inbetween Batman Begins and The Dark Knight:

It is officially produced by Nolan’s wide and Michael Uslan, who produced The Dark Knight Trilogy:

Batman: Gotham Knight is produced by Emma Thomas (Batman Begins, The Dark Knight), Michael Uslan & Benjamin Melniker (Batman Begins, The Dark Knight), Toshi Hiruma and Bruce Timm (Batman: The Animated Series).

David S Goyer, who co-wrote the trilogy films, also wrote an episode:

Per the official Gotham Knight novelisation, the book is set in the Gotham City David S. Goyer, Christopher Nolan, Jonathan Nolan, and the other producers, directors, writers, and designers of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight envisioned:

Per Bruce Timm, who also produced, he “worked closely” with the team behind The Dark Knight so that it would align:

Q: Gotham Knight is set between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Were you keen to follow the template as such set by Christopher Nolan? How closely did you work with the live action team to weave your story in?

A: We worked as closely with them as they had time to give us, which wasn’t unfortunately a whole lot. They had a bit of full plate prepping The Dark Knight.

https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/bruce-timm-interview-batman-gotham-knight/

He refers to the Batman in Gotham Knight as “the Batman Begins and The Dark Knight version of the character”:

Q: Can you give us an overview of the story behind Gotham Knight? What was your intention with the project? Did you want it to stand alone, even though it sits between the two films?

A: Both. I think the film works as a standalone in the Batman mythos as a very unique – actually, six very unique – visions of Batman. The talent involved in this film, from these visionary artists to this all-star lineup of writers – makes this a very strong standalone piece. But it was also designed to give Batman fans a little something extra, to fill in some blanks, that fall within the Batman Begins and The Dark Knight version of the character.

Writer Greg Rucka, who also worked on the anime, says that it’s in the Gotham that is introduced in Batman Begins

Question:

As this film is produced in an anime-style, does the look of your segment come close to the way you envisioned that world?

Greg Rucka answers:

I try not to set my expectations too high or have any preconceived notions, because everything has to go through so many hands of creation. “Batman Begins” did such a great job of building Gotham that was the Gotham that I was writing. In that sense, it is the city as I imagined it

Rucka explicitly affirms that it “fits very tightly in the continuity between the two films. So very explicit acknowledgment:

Question: You’ve had some notable experience working on Batman – can you compare the differences in working on this Batman tale vs. the Batman, Detective Comics and Gotham Central comics?

Greg Rucka answers:

Almost everything I’ve written for Batman treats him as a fully established entity in that world. He’s known and he’s trusted. Every now and then there’s a story line that tries to shake that up, but we all know how that’ll end. Gotham Knight fits very tightly in the gap of continuity between the two (live-action) movies, right between that moment of introduction in Batman Begins and his first major battle in Dark Knight,so I’m getting to write it fresh – to write characters who are seeing Batman for the first time. Those were rich moments.

Most significantly, Christopher Nolan actually personally intervened to make sure Killer Croc had no tail. In an effort to align it with his films. This is rather damning and explicit in regards to its intended canonicity.

https://www.cbr.com/ww-chicago-batman-gotham-knight-world-premiere/

Feats

Obvious bullet timing:

Dents a train in this fight by punching Deadshot into it, calced at wall level:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dark-Carioca/Gotham_Knight_Batman_dents_a_train

There’s more feats from this film, but this should clarify its standing in the canon.

TLDR

Nolan Batmans actual on screen level

Embarrassing

@allstarsuperman: Absolutely, 2004 Catwoman is borderline superhuman. Bruce gets wrecked in a physical fight. But his stealth skills are huge factor.

@frozen: those anime feats are WILDLY inconsistent with his live action portrayal. We all know this site loves to pick and choose when WoG should be considered. I think it's fair to say Nolan's Batman could never pull off those feats.

@allstarsuperman:

Yeah, out of context.

In the first GIF, Scarecrow is waiting to off guard him. Gets clapped in their rematch

In the second, his sonar is messing up and he obviously can’t see properly. His perception has gone to shit

In the final, that’s after he has just fought a SWAT team and been beat on

Well the film is canon, and even the films have inconsistencies within them. For example, Batman in TDK gets tagged by a Joker thug. Yet post prime Batman in TDKR, prior to going into the pit, is beating on Bane’s mercs without being tagged, who are referred to as better than street thugs.

Refer to below thread, where Batman is stated = Bane in strength per WoG:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/analysing-when-was-nolan-batman-in-his-prime-2325238/

Same Bane who has wall level Calcs:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:KLOL506/The_Dark_Knight_Rises:_Bane_Smashes_a_Limestone_Pillar

@frozen: The films' inconsistencies are marginally different compared to what he pulls off in Gotham Knight.

The only real inconsistencies are stuff like jumping super high. The bullet timing is not all that, to be honest. It’s pretty atypical for LA street levellers to dodge bullets but then in combat are perceivable to fodders. The speed gaps don’t manifest the way people think they do, at least for peak human characters. Bane snaps a man’s neck with one hand and has the pillar stuff, both superhuman. And then you’ve got Batman healing a broken back in a few months + recovering from having no cartilage in his knee. That sounds in line with GK if anything.

@frozen:

And then you’ve got Batman healing a broken back in a few months + recovering from having no cartilage in his knee.

Ha I just wrote that off as poor comic book movie logic. But interesting point nonetheless. I guess I need to rewatch Gotham Knight...and maybe even Catwoman

@texasdeathmatch:

Lol rewatching Catwoman would be difficult, but maybe its so bad it’s good 🤔

@frozen: haha oh I wish it was good-bad. When I studied abroad in China, there was only one channel that had English speaking content and all it aired was Catwoman on repeat with episodes of CSI: Miami in between. I can safely say it never got more enjoyable to watch again.

Catwoman wins. Actually superhuman and has DIAMOND CLAWS

@edgelord91: Wouldn't be easy though, considering the amount of tech and skills that Bruce possesses.