Ok this thread is for all the fans that are not happy with the current DD run. Most pepole seem to be  fine with Waids take on the character but I for one detest it and it's not like I'm being a hater because I'm a rather big fan of most of Waids work and I have tried TWICE to get in to his DD run but each time I end up dropping it again in total disgust, I mean Kim Kardashian Jokes? Really Waid? Really?  
Now I know Marvel is mostly geared towards the younger reader these days but Daredevil was one of the only darker books they put out and it had the perfect mix of pulp/noir that suits the character more than any other in the Marvel roster (except Moon Knight witch Bendis could have easily done but decided on his "Avenger-Man" approach but thats a rant for another day) the only other books that are even remotely close is Punisher but thats getting cancelled after Warzone and Brubaker's espionage thriller Winter Solider and that's it. Ever since Waid took over the book he's turned Daredevil in to a generic super-hero book and wiped everything that made it unique, I pray for the day that Marvel see sense and put ether David Liss, Rick Remender or Andy Diggle on the book. Whos with me?      

@Jonny_Anonymous

I too have had enough of Mark Waid's silver age DD crap.David Liss is a Daredevil fan and a decent writer so I wouldn't mind that at all.I would love Rick Remender on the book to be honest he's a damn good writer.Andy Dggle already wrote DD and I didn't really like his run too much.I would like to have Greg Rucka or Rick Remender on DD.I used to rush to the comic store for DD but now I can barely read it.So yeah i'm with ya buddy

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@daredevil21134: I know a lot would be a bit wary of Diggle being on DD again but I thought his Daredevil Reborn was great

Yeah it was alright,but I want somebody new

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@daredevil21134: I know a lot would be a bit wary of Diggle being on DD again but I thought his Daredevil Reborn was great

Yeah it was alright,but I want somebody new

I dropped Daredevil a while back. @daredevil21134 has been trying to get me into Daredevil for the past two years, and I really feel sorry for my friend because time after time I have not been impressed. I tried Bendis run a while back, and though it was interesting to a point it at times was a bit too wordy, and the plot wasn't all that great. Waid though has taken everything I didn't like about Bendis run and made it much worse. Not only did I feel like the plot was bad, but it was boring to boot. I read Waid's Daredevil for several issues, and nothing ever happened! The same tale about the information drive and crimemasters or whatever just seemed to drag on and made no development whatsoever. I thought this series would have really turned around when they introduced Black Cat into the mix, but Waid threw her out as soon as she came in. Not mention, Matt's new love interest, there is nothing really happening there, and she reads like a daredevil fan trying to throw herself at him. To be honest, the only Daredevil story I thought was interesting during Waid's run was a short tale about Matt using his senses to help a bunch of blind kids after their bus crashed in a snow covered landscape. That was honestly mediocre, a four star at best. I tried and tried again to like daredevil, but every time I pick up a Daredevil comic out of my subscription box, I dreaded reading it. Eventually I decided that it wasn't going to get any better for me, and I dropped it completely.

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

Ok this thread is for all the fans that are not happy with the current DD run. Most pepole seem to be fine with Waids take on the character but I for one detest it and it's not like I'm being a hater because I'm a rather big fan of most of Waids work and I have tried TWICE to get in to his DD run but each time I end up dropping it again in total disgust, I mean Kim Kardashian Jokes? Really Waid? Really? Now I know Marvel is mostly geared towards the younger reader these days but Daredevil was one of the only darker books they put out and it had the perfect mix of pulp/noir that suits the character more than any other in the Marvel roster (except Moon Knight witch Bendis could have easily done but decided on his "Avenger-Man" approach but thats a rant for another day) the only other books that are even remotely close is Punisher but thats getting cancelled after Warzone and Brubaker's espionage thriller Winter Solider and that's it. Ever since Waid took over the book he's turned Daredevil in to a generic super-hero book and wiped everything that made it unique, I pray for the day that Marvel see sense and put ether David Liss, Rick Remender or Andy Diggle on the book. Whos with me?

That sums up how I feel too. DD is a great character, and I love a lot of Waid's work (Birthright, Irredeemable, Incorruptible, Flash, etc), but this book doesn't work for me. Also, the retro style art isn't my cup of tea either.

Get Brubaker back on it. 
 
When Matt was in prison, that was some of the most amazing characterization I've ever seen in a comic. I couldn't stop re-reading that graphic novel ( The Devil Inside and Out).

Get Brubaker back on it. 
 
When Matt was in prison, that was some of the most amazing characterization I've ever seen in a comic. I couldn't stop re-reading that graphic novel ( The Devil Inside and Out).

If Marvel take inspiration from Waids run on DD we will never get a film like this:  

@Jonny_Anonymous: I never expected to get so many supporters

@Jonny_Anonymous: I never expected to get so many supporters

My first choice is David Liss 

Ever since Waid took over the book he's turned Daredevil in to a generic super-hero book and wiped everything that made it unique

I would like to have Greg Rucka or Rick Remender on DD.

@Vance Astro: I enjoyed Liss on Black Panther and I enjoy The Spider over at Dynamite. Yea Daredevil may have been the happy-go-lucky at the beginning but so was Batman and a lot of characters at the time but most evolved in to something alot better and that's what Daredevil did, the swashbuckling holds zero interest for me.  What was unique about Daredevil was it was one of Marvels only darker more pulp/noire styled book and now it has none, it's just another in a long line of humour and action heroics. 

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Vance Astro: I enjoyed Liss on Black Panther and I enjoy The Spider over at Dynamite. Yea Daredevil may have been the happy-go-lucky at the beginning but so was Batman and a lot of characters at the time but most evolved in to something alot better and that's what Daredevil did, the swashbuckling holds zero interest for me.  What was unique about Daredevil was it was one of Marvels only darker more pulp/noire styled book and now it has none, it's just another in a long line of humour and action heroics. 

After Shadowland and Reborn, I personally was glad that a writers was willing to take a different approach. The dark brooding stuff is getting redundant. It's why I don't read The Punisher anymore, it's the same song and dance EVERY TIME. I know alot of people hated it but I was excited for the Frankencastle stuff because it was new and different. Waid's run hasn't been great thus far, it has it's moments but as a DD fan i'm riding it out. Marvel has no problem changing writers when it appears one isn't working out. 

@Jonny_Anonymous:

More the reason to continue with 100 Bullets :p
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@Jonny_Anonymous:

More the reason to continue with 100 Bullets :p
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@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Billy Batson said:

@Jonny_Anonymous:

More the reason to continue with 100 Bullets :p
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Haha very true, I need to get more TPB. BTW 5 Ronin was really good, Milligan is my choice for a Iron Fist series

What made you stop? Btw the whole run is on comixology. There was a sale a few months back, each issue for a 99 cents :p
Just read it and agreed. As long as he isn't that restricted by editors that much (since his mainstream stuff isn't as great as his Vertigo stuff) it would be great.
You should check out hisHuman Targettoo. Great stuff. Sadly it isn't fully collected for some reason yet.
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The tone is what made him interesting to me, I mean if Batman started swinging around and making jokes about the royal wedding or kissing some random bride I would dump that just as fast. The Spider, Green Hornet, Doc Savage, The Shadow these are some of my favourite books because I love the Pulp genre and Daredevil was one (of the two) Marvel characters that really filled that spot, but now there isn't anything in the Marvel line up like that any more it feels a lot less diverse compared to other company book lines 

  BTW 5 Ronin was really good, Milligan is my choice for a Iron Fist series 

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Billy Batson said:

@Jonny_Anonymous:

More the reason to continue with 100 Bullets :p
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Haha very true, I need to get more TPB. BTW 5 Ronin was really good, Milligan is my choice for a Iron Fist series

What made you stop? Btw the whole run is on comixology. There was a sale a few months back, each issue for a 99 cents :p
Just read it and agreed. As long as he isn't that restricted by editors that much (since his mainstream stuff isn't as great as his Vertigo stuff) it would be great.
You should check out hisHuman Targettoo. Great stuff. Sadly it isn't fully collected for some reason yet.
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I'm not all that knowledgable about DD. I picked up the first 2 issues of Waid' run and wasn't all that impressed, that being said, I doubt I would be if it was dark.

@Jonny_Anonymous:

Eh, it's about a private investigator doing different task with personality issues.
Here's a nice article about it:http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2009/03/08/comics-you-should-own-human-target/
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@Jonny_Anonymous:

I don't have the time for the former so the latter one, lol.
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@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Vance Astro: I understand that Waid want's to make his run stand-out compared to what came before but I think he's just taken it too far and in the wrong direction, I mean after Daredevil Reborn I would have liked to see Mat heading to Japan to work out his issues and also take down the Snakeroot Clan and find out what actually happened to him during Shadowland also after getting back to New York the FIRST thing he should of dealt with was that giant stronghold in the middle of Hells Kitchen run by Ninja that HE caused yet we haven't seen hide nor hair of it while he's bed hopping and coming up with snappy quips

That would have been interesting

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Vance Astro: I understand that Waid want's to make his run stand-out compared to what came before but I think he's just taken it too far and in the wrong direction, I mean after Daredevil Reborn I would have liked to see Mat heading to Japan to work out his issues and also take down the Snakeroot Clan and find out what actually happened to him during Shadowland also after getting back to New York the FIRST thing he should of dealt with was that giant stronghold in the middle of Hells Kitchen run by Ninja that HE caused yet we haven't seen hide nor hair of it while he's bed hopping and coming up with snappy quips

That would have been interesting

I really miss Dakota North, too. She's been DD's most interesting (not to mention sane) love interest in awhile. While I dropped Waid's run awhile ago, I just don't care for this new DA woman (she was a DA, right? I forget) or a potential romance with The Black Cat.

@Cooke76 said:

I really miss Dakota North, too. She's been DD's most interesting (not to mention sane) love interest in awhile. While I dropped Waid's run awhile ago, I just don't care for this new DA woman (she was a DA, right? I forget) or a potential romance with The Black Cat.

Dakota North was one of my favorites characters in Daredevil.The DA girl sucks,she's like an annoying fangirl that won't go away.I wish Mark Waid would leave the whole everybody knows who Daredevil is alone,its been done to death.

I can't honestly comment on Waid's run, but i'd rather read a more Noir-ish tale of DD than the happier, Swashbuckling one. His darker stories have much more depth and meaningful action. This just bores me a bit.

@Cooke76 said:

I really miss Dakota North, too. She's been DD's most interesting (not to mention sane) love interest in awhile. While I dropped Waid's run awhile ago, I just don't care for this new DA woman (she was a DA, right? I forget) or a potential romance with The Black Cat.

Dakota North was one of my favorites characters in Daredevil.The DA girl sucks,she's like an annoying fangirl that won't go away.I wish Mark Waid would leave the whole everybody knows who Daredevil is alone,its been done to death.

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

Ok this thread is for all the fans that are not happy with the current DD run. Most pepole seem to be fine with Waids take on the character but I for one detest it and it's not like I'm being a hater because I'm a rather big fan of most of Waids work and I have tried TWICE to get in to his DD run but each time I end up dropping it again in total disgust, I mean Kim Kardashian Jokes? Really Waid? Really? Now I know Marvel is mostly geared towards the younger reader these days but Daredevil was one of the only darker books they put out and it had the perfect mix of pulp/noir that suits the character more than any other in the Marvel roster (except Moon Knight witch Bendis could have easily done but decided on his "Avenger-Man" approach but thats a rant for another day) the only other books that are even remotely close is Punisher but thats getting cancelled after Warzone and Brubaker's espionage thriller Winter Solider and that's it. Ever since Waid took over the book he's turned Daredevil in to a generic super-hero book and wiped everything that made it unique, I pray for the day that Marvel see sense and put ether David Liss, Rick Remender or Andy Diggle on the book. Whos with me?

Could you do this rant soon? would love to hear your take on it.

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

Ok this thread is for all the fans that are not happy with the current DD run. Most pepole seem to be fine with Waids take on the character but I for one detest it and it's not like I'm being a hater because I'm a rather big fan of most of Waids work and I have tried TWICE to get in to his DD run but each time I end up dropping it again in total disgust, I mean Kim Kardashian Jokes? Really Waid? Really? Now I know Marvel is mostly geared towards the younger reader these days but Daredevil was one of the only darker books they put out and it had the perfect mix of pulp/noir that suits the character more than any other in the Marvel roster (except Moon Knight witch Bendis could have easily done but decided on his "Avenger-Man" approach but thats a rant for another day) the only other books that are even remotely close is Punisher but thats getting cancelled after Warzone and Brubaker's espionage thriller Winter Solider and that's it. Ever since Waid took over the book he's turned Daredevil in to a generic super-hero book and wiped everything that made it unique, I pray for the day that Marvel see sense and put ether David Liss, Rick Remender or Andy Diggle on the book. Whos with me?

Could you do this rant soon? would love to hear your take on it.

@Jonny_Anonymous: Thanks, much appreciated. I hate that run as much as you hate Waid's Daredevil.

@Jonny_Anonymous: Thanks, much appreciated. I hate that run as much as you hate Waid's Daredevil.

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@foolkiller1 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous: Thanks, much appreciated. I hate that run as much as you hate Waid's Daredevil.

Yea I'v actually said before that Waid is doing to Daredevil what Bendis did to Moon Knight

Damn, that's brutal. I haven't been reading Waid's daredevil, what do you hate most about it?

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@foolkiller1 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous: Thanks, much appreciated. I hate that run as much as you hate Waid's Daredevil.

Yea I'v actually said before that Waid is doing to Daredevil what Bendis did to Moon Knight

Damn, that's brutal. I haven't been reading Waid's daredevil, what do you hate most about it?

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@foolkiller1 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@foolkiller1 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous: Thanks, much appreciated. I hate that run as much as you hate Waid's Daredevil.

Yea I'v actually said before that Waid is doing to Daredevil what Bendis did to Moon Knight

Damn, that's brutal. I haven't been reading Waid's daredevil, what do you hate most about it?

The massive shift in tone, also the ignoring of the last few runs so there is huge plot points still unresolved also there is plot points that got resolved that Waid has opened back up again

what the hell's up with that art? And as bad as shadowland was it completely ignores it? Is bullseye still dead?

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@foolkiller1 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@foolkiller1 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous: Thanks, much appreciated. I hate that run as much as you hate Waid's Daredevil.

Yea I'v actually said before that Waid is doing to Daredevil what Bendis did to Moon Knight

Damn, that's brutal. I haven't been reading Waid's daredevil, what do you hate most about it?

The massive shift in tone, also the ignoring of the last few runs so there is huge plot points still unresolved also there is plot points that got resolved that Waid has opened back up again

what the hell's up with that art? And as bad as shadowland was it completely ignores it? Is bullseye still dead?

@Jonny_Anonymous: But is that really as bad as moon knight as a T.V. producer pretending he's spider-man pretending he's captain america pretending he's Wolverine?

@Jonny_Anonymous: But is that really as bad as moon knight as a T.V. producer pretending he's spider-man pretending he's captain america pretending he's Wolverine?

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@foolkiller1 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous: But is that really as bad as moon knight as a T.V. producer pretending he's spider-man pretending he's captain america pretending he's Wolverine?

No but gatecrashing weddings and snogging the bride and making jokes about the Kardashians is

Fair enough

@Jonny_Anonymous: Thanks man. Take your time, no hurry here.

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@foolkiller1 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous: But is that really as bad as moon knight as a T.V. producer pretending he's spider-man pretending he's captain america pretending he's Wolverine?

No but gatecrashing weddings and snogging the bride and making jokes about the Kardashians is

Don't forget wearing a sweater that says "i'm not Daredevil".I guess Mark Waid forgot how crazy and how much trouble Matt got into for having his identity public during the Bendis run.It was one of the worst times of his life and he shouldn't be making any type of joke outta that

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@foolkiller1 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous: But is that really as bad as moon knight as a T.V. producer pretending he's spider-man pretending he's captain america pretending he's Wolverine?

No but gatecrashing weddings and snogging the bride and making jokes about the Kardashians is

Don't forget wearing a sweater that says "i'm not Daredevil".I guess Mark Waid forgot how crazy and how much trouble Matt got into for having his identity public during the Bendis run.It was one of the worst times of his life and he shouldn't be making any type of joke outta that

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@daredevil21134: I think one of the worst issues Waid did was the Spider-Man team-up

I thought DD and Black Cat could have been interesting.Now it just seems like a big waste of time