Does Batman know about Nightwings Plan

#1 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Batman know of Nightwings operation with Aqualad because Nightwing's plan has destroyed Mount Justice, kid those kids The Reach captured because Aqualad aloud that to happen, and turned Aqualad to a veggie. I think this will be huge next season and we will probably see the three possibilities

1. The team splintering from the Justice League forming their own organization like the comics Teen Titans

2. The team being disbanded

3. The Justice League putting more supervision over the Team and causing friction between members on the Team and the Justice League and the Team

#2 Posted by Black_Claw (3079 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course. Batman knows everything.

#3 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

But did Nightwing tell him

#4 Posted by cattlebattle (13347 posts) - - Show Bio

Most likely......he's Batman

and none of those possibilities will occur next season seeing as there will be another timeskip and not much will carry over. There is also no point of having the Teen Titans in this series seeing as the Team is this realities version of the Teen Titans

#5 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: but did Nightwing tell Batman of this plan you are all being Batman fanboys saying Batman knows everything i should rephrase it did Nightwing inform Batman of his plan

#6 Posted by jasontodd7 (110 posts) - - Show Bio

TheMatch328 propably no, i'm not sure that this even was nightwing's plan in the first place. Aqualad was the leader and he could came up with this..

Batman could've guessed what was going on, cause he saw aqualad grow up and he would reconigze a bluff from a mile away.. He does it all the time.

#7 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@jasontodd7: What I am trying to get at here is that this plan Nightwing and Aqualad have been executing has caused so many problems that I can see it effecting next season like how things from the first season are effecting this season

#8 Posted by PrinceIMC (5422 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Batman knows but I don't think Nightwing told him.

I think the team will split away from the Justice League. Very few of the current team are actual sidekicks to Justice League members anymore, they tend to follow Nightwing more.

#9 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

For all of you who believe Batman is God and is all knowing I do not think he knows only because he probably does not care about Aqualad switching and it seems pretty realistic I bet you all believed that Aqualad had really become bad until the episode 33 "Depth".

#10 Posted by cattlebattle (13347 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMatch328 said:

For all of you who believe Batman is God and is all knowing I do not think he knows only because he probably does not care about Aqualad switching and it seems pretty realistic I bet you all believed that Aqualad had really become bad until the episode 33 "Depth".

Just because we think Batman knows Nightwings plan we believe Batman is a god?? Batman is aware of most things most of the time...he was the only one on the League that knew Captain Marvels identity, so, it wouldn't be to far fetched that he is aware of this operation.

@PrinceIMC said:

I think the team will split away from the Justice League. Very few of the current team are actual sidekicks to Justice League members anymore, they tend to follow Nightwing more.

The only members that don't have a mentor are Blue Beetle and Beast Boy, though, the teams ranks will be bolstered by Arsenal and Mal as Guardian, although it is unknown if either will be permanent members

#11 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: well Batman knew Captain Marvels identity because it concerned him and the League and he probably did not care about why Aqualad went bad is because it seemed pretty straight forward the way Aquagirl died and he found out that his father was BlackManta so Batman probably did not care he can no know everything it takes time to investigate he is a human being he does not have some power to know all things

#12 Posted by PrinceIMC (5422 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle said:

@PrinceIMC said:

I think the team will split away from the Justice League. Very few of the current team are actual sidekicks to Justice League members anymore, they tend to follow Nightwing more.

The only members that don't have a mentor are Blue Beetle and Beast Boy, though, the teams ranks will be bolstered by Arsenal and Mal as Guardian, although it is unknown if either will be permanent members

Dick is Nightwing now, I don't think he is really Batman's protege anymore. Wonder Woman, Superman, Martian Manhunter and Batman are all off planet which leaves Wonder Girl, Superboy, Miss Martian, Robin and Batgirl all without their mentors right now anyway. From the way Dick trains Barbara and Tim I get the feeling he has more contact with them then Batman does. Superman has never really been Superboy's mentor though he does at least think of him as a little brother now sort of. Artemis' connection to Green Arrow was always kind of dubious and both her and Kid Flash have retired so aren't really sidekicks or proteges anymore either. So if they find their way back to the team I don't think they'll be relying on Green Arrow or Flash at all. Plus Bumblebee is Ray Palmer's lab assistant but I don't think she's really the Atom's protege.

I guess my point is that yes they all still have connections to members of the Justice League I feel like that because they've become effective as a team they don't rely on their older counterparts for guidance or assistance anymore so I see them distancing themselves from the League.

#13 Edited by cattlebattle (13347 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMatch328 said:

@cattlebattle: well Batman knew Captain Marvels identity because it concerned him and the League and he probably did not care about why Aqualad went bad is because it seemed pretty straight forward the way Aquagirl died and he found out that his father was BlackManta so Batman probably did not care he can no know everything it takes time to investigate he is a human being he does not have some power to know all things

IDK...Nightwing admits that he never wanted to be like Batman and the whole plan is loaded with dissension. Just seems like more of a Batman thing to do, I could see Nightwing confiding in Batman as they don't seem to have the same strained relationship they had in the comics.

@PrinceIMC said:

@cattlebattle said:

@PrinceIMC said:

I think the team will split away from the Justice League. Very few of the current team are actual sidekicks to Justice League members anymore, they tend to follow Nightwing more.

The only members that don't have a mentor are Blue Beetle and Beast Boy, though, the teams ranks will be bolstered by Arsenal and Mal as Guardian, although it is unknown if either will be permanent members

Dick is Nightwing now, I don't think he is really Batman's protege anymore. Wonder Woman, Superman, Martian Manhunter and Batman are all off planet which leaves Wonder Girl, Superboy, Miss Martian, Robin and Batgirl all without their mentors right now anyway. From the way Dick trains Barbara and Tim I get the feeling he has more contact with them then Batman does. Superman has never really been Superboy's mentor though he does at least think of him as a little brother now sort of. Artemis' connection to Green Arrow was always kind of dubious and both her and Kid Flash have retired so aren't really sidekicks or proteges anymore either. So if they find their way back to the team I don't think they'll be relying on Green Arrow or Flash at all. Plus Bumblebee is Ray Palmer's lab assistant but I don't think she's really the Atom's protege.

I guess my point is that yes they all still have connections to members of the Justice League I feel like that because they've become effective as a team they don't rely on their older counterparts for guidance or assistance anymore so I see them distancing themselves from the League.

True on all counts, I guess the team just seems like more of a proving ground to me than anything else. I mean Captain Atom still has authority over Nightwing as he obviously has to report to him and the Team shares the same goal as the League. The team now has to try to defend earth with the absence as the main leaguers are gone off world. I don't think they will become distanced anymore than they already are. Perhaps Nightwing will be kicked off though

#14 Posted by PrinceIMC (5422 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle said:

@PrinceIMC said:

@cattlebattle said:

@PrinceIMC said:

I think the team will split away from the Justice League. Very few of the current team are actual sidekicks to Justice League members anymore, they tend to follow Nightwing more.

The only members that don't have a mentor are Blue Beetle and Beast Boy, though, the teams ranks will be bolstered by Arsenal and Mal as Guardian, although it is unknown if either will be permanent members

Dick is Nightwing now, I don't think he is really Batman's protege anymore. Wonder Woman, Superman, Martian Manhunter and Batman are all off planet which leaves Wonder Girl, Superboy, Miss Martian, Robin and Batgirl all without their mentors right now anyway. From the way Dick trains Barbara and Tim I get the feeling he has more contact with them then Batman does. Superman has never really been Superboy's mentor though he does at least think of him as a little brother now sort of. Artemis' connection to Green Arrow was always kind of dubious and both her and Kid Flash have retired so aren't really sidekicks or proteges anymore either. So if they find their way back to the team I don't think they'll be relying on Green Arrow or Flash at all. Plus Bumblebee is Ray Palmer's lab assistant but I don't think she's really the Atom's protege.

I guess my point is that yes they all still have connections to members of the Justice League I feel like that because they've become effective as a team they don't rely on their older counterparts for guidance or assistance anymore so I see them distancing themselves from the League.

True on all counts, I guess the team just seems like more of a proving ground to me than anything else. I mean Captain Atom still has authority over Nightwing as he obviously has to report to him and the Team shares the same goal as the League. The team now has to try to defend earth with the absence as the main leaguers are gone off world. I don't think they will become distanced anymore than they already are. Perhaps Nightwing will be kicked off though

Now that would be an interesting idea, who leads with the team without Nightwing or Aqualad? Artemis and Kid Flash are "retired", Miss Martian and Superboy are still kinda unstable. Or if Nightwing gets kicked off the team who would go along with him?

#15 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: This has become an actual great discussion so I want to thank you for participating

1. This is why I mentioned the how their have been so many mistakes in this operation because I think if Batman had any part of it it would not have gotten so messed up

and

2. I think if Nightwing would not be taken off the show because he's to strong of a character and if he leaves the group at all since he's such a strong leader they would leave with him

#16 Posted by cattlebattle (13347 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMatch328 said:

@cattlebattle: This has become an actual great discussion so I want to thank you for participating

1. This is why I mentioned the how their have been so many mistakes in this operation because I think if Batman had any part of it it would not have gotten so messed up

and

2. I think if Nightwing would not be taken off the show because he's to strong of a character and if he leaves the group at all since he's such a strong leader they would leave with him

The only real mistake in the plan was Kaldur getting mind fried by Miss Martian, which is actually Superboys fault for not telling anyone.....although in one episode Miss Martian does it blatantly right in front of Batman....so I guess I am confused on this fact. Everything else that happened wasn't all that much of a disaster, they lost the cave but Kaldur got into the Light, Beetle and Beast Boy got kidnapped and the Team found out a ton of information about the Reach.

@PrinceIMC said:

True on all counts, I guess the team just seems like more of a proving ground to me than anything else. I mean Captain Atom still has authority over Nightwing as he obviously has to report to him and the Team shares the same goal as the League. The team now has to try to defend earth with the absence as the main leaguers are gone off world. I don't think they will become distanced anymore than they already are. Perhaps Nightwing will be kicked off though

Now that would be an interesting idea, who leads with the team without Nightwing or Aqualad? Artemis and Kid Flash are "retired", Miss Martian and Superboy are still kinda unstable. Or if Nightwing gets kicked off the team who would go along with him?

I would give it to Mal. He has had duty as dispatcher and in the last episode he is very much willing to make sacrifices for the good of the team.

#17 Posted by PrinceIMC (5422 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle said:

@PrinceIMC said:

True on all counts, I guess the team just seems like more of a proving ground to me than anything else. I mean Captain Atom still has authority over Nightwing as he obviously has to report to him and the Team shares the same goal as the League. The team now has to try to defend earth with the absence as the main leaguers are gone off world. I don't think they will become distanced anymore than they already are. Perhaps Nightwing will be kicked off though

Now that would be an interesting idea, who leads with the team without Nightwing or Aqualad? Artemis and Kid Flash are "retired", Miss Martian and Superboy are still kinda unstable. Or if Nightwing gets kicked off the team who would go along with him?

I would give it to Mal. He has had duty as dispatcher and in the last episode he is very much willing to make sacrifices for the good of the team.

True. But if Nightwing is kicked off the team's leadership I can kind of imagine the original members going off with him which could be a good way to bring the team back to basics....and work with Red Arrow....I'd love that.

#18 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: Kids were killed during the reach experiment and I think if Batman had any operation I think it would have been executed better but thats why the REach sent them off world

#19 Posted by cattlebattle (13347 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMatch328 said:

@cattlebattle: Kids were killed during the reach experiment and I think if Batman had any operation I think it would have been executed better but thats why the REach sent them off world

The Light sent the League to wreak havoc on Rimbor so the galaxy would know about Earth...and it would be brought into conflict with the rest of the galaxy, Vandal Savage alluded to this in Auld Aquaintance. The fact that the Reach is operating against a crippled League is just an added bonus.

I am not too sure that Batman knew anything about The Reach or their experiments

@PrinceIMC said:

True. But if Nightwing is kicked off the team's leadership I can kind of imagine the original members going off with him which could be a good way to bring the team back to basics....and work with Red Arrow....I'd love that.

Yeah, fan speculation often leads to Nightwing splitting off with some others to form the Teen Titans with characters like Cyborg.......and, you know, the usual characters. I don't think that will happen though, for one reason, the Team shares a very similar chronological history with the Teen Titans in the comics, so basically they are the Teen Titans of this reality. Another reason is that there is only about 8 episode left in this season and they have to start resolving plot lines. The creators have stated that if a season 3 occurs it will be another time skip and characters like Nightwing will be in his twenties...I doubt he would want to lead another group of teenagers

#20 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: Thats what I'm saying Batman still does not know and I thought the Reach were part of the Light last season

#21 Posted by cattlebattle (13347 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMatch328 said:

@cattlebattle: Thats what I'm saying Batman still does not know and I thought the Reach were part of the Light last season

Batman doesn't know about any of the Reach business....as far as we know....

the Light knew aliens were going to invade...the show hasn't really been that forthcoming on this end. We know that The Light and The Reach apparently had the Kroloteans framed, although it seems they will all end up double crossing each other because Apokilips also figures into it as The light has been using 4th world technology and Black Beetle refers to Manheim as "the enemy".......lol, this show is extremely convoluted for a Saturday morning cartoon

#22 Posted by DestineSavior (9 posts) - - Show Bio

I do not think that Batman does know in great detail about the Nightwing's plan, but he probably knows that there is something going on. I think if he wanted to know, he would just ask Nightwing, I mean who could "deny" Batman? Should Batman be concerned? Eh, sure, but I think he has enough trust in Dick to understand the secrecy.

#23 Posted by Twentyfive (2845 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope not. The fact that he does what he does, that he is able to keep up with even the most powerful beings in DC, because he is Batman is cliched to hell.

It annoys me to no end. Why won't they let someone 1-up him? Given all the training Bats has given Dick when he was Robin, he should know hot to keep a secret even from Batman by now.

#24 Posted by beautifulrevery (1521 posts) - - Show Bio

@Twentyfive said:

I hope not. The fact that he does what he does, that he is able to keep up with even the most powerful beings in DC, because he is Batman is cliched to hell.

It annoys me to no end. Why won't they let someone 1-up him? Given all the training Bats has given Dick when he was Robin, he should know hot to keep a secret even from Batman by now.

That's the thing, as paranoid as Batman is he probably follows the philosophy of "teach them everything they know, but not everything you know". I'm sure Batman probably has many things that Dick doesn't know about whether it be skills, tech, etc. Contingency plans is literally Bruce's mantra.

#25 Posted by serpent222 (319 posts) - - Show Bio

I really doubt that Batman knows, for the following reasons:

1. It seems to be legitimately the case that Batman leaves it to the Team to handle their own problems. Considering that Nightwing is now in control, I imagine that has only been even more the case. Batman has no motivation or interest in paying attention to the team with everything else going on.

2. Batman is the obsessive type. A long time passed where they had no idea what happened during the 16 hours, and I'm sure Batman didn't just drop that. It was probably driving him mad trying to find leads down that road. With that and all the other signs and tech, he may well have suspected alien involvement, but didn't have a break in the case. Any way you look at it, though, he was probably much more focused elsewhere.

3. Nightwing is just like Batman. It's a reality he struggles to face in most continuities, but it really is true. And what comes along with that? Deception and misdirection. Essentially, Nightwing and Aqualad's big plan is a giant batman gambit on multiple levels. Nightwing is enough like Batman to be able to keep his distance and keep people off his trail. I'm sure that he has gone out of his way to keep Batman out of the loop.

#26 Posted by Suprman (442 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Batman in some way knows about the plan. One theory I have is that Batman figured out the plan, confronted Nightwing about it and Nightwing convinced him that the plan could work, and while the plan was definitely risky, there were no other ways to figure out who the light's partner was. It will be interesting to see how the consequences of this plan play out in upcoming episodes because based on the end of Saturday's episode, Meg'ann's gonna spill everything.

#27 Posted by Twentyfive (2845 posts) - - Show Bio

@beautifulrevery: The fact that Bruce is a paranoid man is something Dick should have picked up by now. And knowing Bats' nature, Dick must know that Batman might be on to him, and found a way to keep secrets even from Batman.

I hope something like that is the case instead of "I'm Batman. Nobody keeps secrets from me."

That is boundlessly annoying as fudge!

#28 Posted by jasontodd7 (110 posts) - - Show Bio

One thing we all can agree on is that batman would be, probably, the only one who would say "good work" instead of feeling angry about it.

#29 Posted by JamesKM716 (1995 posts) - - Show Bio

It wouldn't surprise me.

#30 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7828 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMatch328 said:

Does Batman know of Nightwings operation with Aqualad because Nightwing's plan has destroyed Mount Justice, kid those kids The Reach captured because Aqualad aloud that to happen, and turned Aqualad to a veggie. I think this will be huge next season and we will probably see the three possibilities

1. The team splintering from the Justice League forming their own organization like the comics Teen Titans

2. The team being disbanded

3. The Justice League putting more supervision over the Team and causing friction between members on the Team and the Justice League and the Team

None of these are realistic

1. The Team have for a while been their own org. They've disobeyed the JL bunch of times.

2. The Team will never be disbanded because then there would be no series.

3. JL already has lots of supervision on the Team, just through Batman alone.

#31 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil: you just contradicted yourself saying the JL team has alot of supervision over them and but the team is still on their own?

The Team is a covert op group for the Justice League they get all their missions from the League the only time they were not doing what the League told them was when Robin(Dick Grayson) was trying to help out Haleys Circus. The Team is apart of the Justice League

#32 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7828 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMatch328: No. Yes the JL may watch over the Team, but the whole point of the series is the Team proving themselves as not sidekicks but their own independent entities which is breaking out and doing their own thing. They may do League missions but they handle things their own way, and sometimes don't follow the League's orders.

#33 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil: They are section of the Justice League they get their missions, no one in the world knows what they really do what I am saying is they go more public and make them selves knows and they are still sidekicks they have not done what Red Arrow did and made himself public they work in the shadows doing Justice League missions they made do the mission their own way but let me explain this to you simpler "THEY ARE A PART OF THE JUSTICE LEAGUE" they might not be full members but they work for the Justice League

#34 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7828 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMatch328: Whatever, won't waste my time in repeating myself

#35 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil: In almost 95% of the episodes they are doing a mission for who?.......................... THE JUSTICE LEAGUE

#36 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jnr6Lil: but please do repeat yourself cause obviously we are watching two different shows

#37 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7828 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMatch328: Again you still don't get it.

#38 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

Well when your constantly contradicting yourself its pretty hard to follow and by that i mean you say they are their own organization yet the Justice League still watches over them

#39 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7828 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMatch328 said:

Well when your constantly contradicting yourself its pretty hard to follow and by that i mean you say they are their own organization yet the Justice League still watches over them

Watching over someone doesn't mean they aren't their own group.

The President watches over the U.S. That doesn't mean we aren't our own people.

#40 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

OMG we are talking about The Team not individual

#41 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio

No, I don't think Batman knows.

Dick stated that only himself, Wally, Artemis and Aqualad knew about the plan in Season 2 Episode 4.

Since then, M'Gann has found out by reading Aqualad's mind.

#42 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine: Superboy probably knows now after he visited her at her apartment cause what else would they be doing except talking about superhero stuff

#43 Posted by John Valentine (16335 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMatch328 said:

@John Valentine: Superboy probably knows now after he visited her at her apartment cause what else would they be doing except talking about superhero stuff

I doubt it. She seemed too traumatized to talk about it and Superboy would have reacted. A lot.

#44 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine: I was making a sex joke...... but she will probably reveal it to him soon

#45 Posted by RedOwl_1 (1664 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMatch328:

I think he knows but Nightwing never told him (hey did Billy Batson told him he was Captain Marvel? No, still he knew) for f*cks shake he IS Batman

#46 Posted by TheMatch328 (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@RedOwl_1: dont get me wrong I think Batman is an awesome hero but I love how you Batman worshipers treat Batman as that he knows everything. The reason why he knew about Billy Batson was because it was his business to know. He is a detective by nature he would need a reason a good reason to investigate Nightwings action because he has better things to do than follow around his old Sidekick.

#47 Posted by Jnr6Lil (7828 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMatch328 said:

@RedOwl_1: dont get me wrong I think Batman is an awesome hero but I love how you Batman worshipers treat Batman as that he knows everything. The reason why he knew about Billy Batson was because it was his business to know. He is a detective by nature he would need a reason a good reason to investigate Nightwings action because he has better things to do than follow around his old Sidekick.

True. Batman knows everything but only what he investigates.

#48 Posted by redhoodnet (153 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he was behind Tim starting the Teen Titans in the New52.

#49 Posted by The Lobster (1507 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Batman knows. 
 
People seem to think this version of Batman knows all and sees all, well if that's the case how come he didn't figure out Red Arrow was the mole in season 1 and how come he didn't know Vandel Savage was developing Starro Tech to take control of the league.

#50 Posted by Kreature (172 posts) - - Show Bio

According to the latest episode, Kaldur and artemis are working for the team AND the league, so if the league knows, Batman knows.

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