I'm gonna be blunt....I don't care for Mimic or Michael Pointer... Other characters need more attention than them.

Mimic and Omega Bromance. Ugh! (calling it like it is.)

And I have to say it, Gambit now feels like he has no place or reason to still be in this book or even in Westchester.

Gage is hitting and missing for me.

Mimic and Omega are worthless characters, Omega especially. I can't think of a comic I've read with Pointer in it where I haven't wanted him to die.

It was only two and a bit years ago when they were on Osborn's side trying to take down the X-Men.

Legacy is still way too Rogue-centric. Gambit's just a shell of a character at the moment, still pining after Rogue who inexplicably still loves Magneto (that may be okay for another Universe but not in 616).

It's nice to have characters like Chamber featuring, but it's not much more than cameo appearances.

Both characters are awesome.

It's nice to see Mimic back with the X-Men. He's been so inconsistently characterised over the years... and he was the first new member to join the X-Men don't forget!

@X35 said:

Both characters are awesome.

It's nice to see Mimic back with the X-Men. He's been so inconsistently characterised over the years... and he was the first new member to join the X-Men don't forget!

616's barely done anything of worth in his near fifty years of existence. He's been more of a problem than a useful ally.

Let's be honest, more characters is not what this book needs. It's got problems with the ones it already has.

To me it feels like this book is trying to recreate a team that has the original X-Men. We have Mimic with Angel's Wings, Beast, Ice-Man, and Rachel in place of Jean. All thats missing is a Cyclops type character. I think Gambit will leave this book soon. He is in the Astonishing X-Men team living off campus and will be going on his own solo mission in his own book.

Both characters are awesome.

It's nice to see Mimic back with the X-Men. He's been so inconsistently characterised over the years... and he was the first new member to join the X-Men don't forget!

@AgeofHurricane said:

Not sure why that proves any relevance but, no he wasn't, Sage was.

She never joined the team.

@AgeofHurricane said:

Not sure why that proves any relevance but, no he wasn't, Sage was.

She never joined the team.

@AgeofHurricane: Uh... no. Mimic joined in X-Men #27 in 1966. Nearly 15 years before Sage was even created... ¬_¬

@John Valentine said:

Gambit's just a shell of a character at the moment, still pining after Rogue

Really? 20 some odd years later and this is still going on? Why dont they just chop his balls off already and be done with it.

I'm not a fan of 616 Mimic, I love Earth 12 Mimic (Exiles) though.

@Gambler said:

@John Valentine said:

Gambit's just a shell of a character at the moment, still pining after Rogue

Really? 20 some odd years later and this is still going on? Why dont they just chop his balls off already and be done with it.

Unfortunately. Hopefully his new mini will make him as awesome as he should be again.

Really wish current Remy had a less emasculated and more "B!tch, please, I'm Gambit, master thief" vibe to him.

@AgeofHurricane: Uh... no. Mimic joined in X-Men #27 in 1966. Nearly 15 years before Sage was even created... ¬_¬

@AgeofHurricane said:

@X35 said:

@AgeofHurricane: Uh... no. Mimic joined in X-Men #27 in 1966. Nearly 15 years before Sage was even created... ¬_¬

Xavier found Sage at the same time he came across Sage, he never put her on the "team" itself as he had other plans for her. So, yeah.

Then she was never really an X-Man, was she? She was more so one of his agents, like Mystique or Shortpack.

@AgeofHurricane: Oh, yeah, right, just remember all those adventures Sage had running around with the original X-Men... how could I forget she was one of the first X-Men! Silly me.

I suppose these guys are also the original Avengers to you ¬_¬

@John Valentine said:

@Gambler said:

@John Valentine said:

Gambit's just a shell of a character at the moment, still pining after Rogue

Really? 20 some odd years later and this is still going on? Why dont they just chop his balls off already and be done with it.

Unfortunately. Hopefully his new mini will make him as awesome as he should be again.

Really wish current Remy had a less emasculated and more "B!tch, please, I'm Gambit, master thief" vibe to him.

Exactly. A wardrobe change wouldnt hurt either. Let me upgrade ya

@John Valentine said:

@Gambler said:

@John Valentine said:

Gambit's just a shell of a character at the moment, still pining after Rogue

Really? 20 some odd years later and this is still going on? Why dont they just chop his balls off already and be done with it.

Unfortunately. Hopefully his new mini will make him as awesome as he should be again.

Really wish current Remy had a less emasculated and more "B!tch, please, I'm Gambit, master thief" vibe to him.

Awwww man, it's not an ongoing?

*sound of her heart shattering*

@AgeofHurricane said:

@X35 said:

@AgeofHurricane: Uh... no. Mimic joined in X-Men #27 in 1966. Nearly 15 years before Sage was even created... ¬_¬

Xavier found Sage at the same time he came across Sage, he never put her on the "team" itself as he had other plans for her. So, yeah.

Then she was never really an X-Man, was she? She was more so one of his agents, like Mystique or Shortpack.

@AgeofHurricane: Oh, yeah, right, just remember all those adventures Sage had running around with the original X-Men... how could I forget she was one of the first X-Men! Silly me.

I suppose these guys are also the original Avengers to you ¬_¬

@AgeofHurricane: Just like Wolverine was the leader of Alpha Flight.......¬_¬

@AgeofHurricane: Just like Wolverine was the leader of Alpha Flight.......¬_¬

@AgeofHurricane: Yeah, but what you're saying isn't even true to the point... in as much as you've said "but in the end she didn't join". Therefore she didn't join...

@AgeofHurricane: Yeah, but what you're saying isn't even true to the point... in as much as you've said"but in the end she didn't join". Therefore she didn't join...

@X35 said:

@AgeofHurricane: Yeah, but what you're saying isn't even true to the point... in as much as you've said "but in the end she didn't join". Therefore she didn't join...

She was never shown on-panel with any of the X-Men, unlike Mimic. Moreover, a recent source from Marvel stated that Mimic was was sixth member, therefore he was.

@X35 said:

@AgeofHurricane: Yeah, but what you're saying isn't even true to the point... in as much as you've said "but in the end she didn't join". Therefore she didn't join...

She was never shown on-panel with any of the X-Men, unlike Mimic. Moreover, a recent source from Marvel stated that Mimic was was sixth member, therefore he was.

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@X35 said:

@AgeofHurricane: Yeah, but what you're saying isn't even true to the point... in as much as you've said "but in the end she didn't join". Therefore she didn't join...

She was never shown on-panel with any of the X-Men, unlike Mimic. Moreover, a recent source from Marvel stated that Mimic was was sixth member, therefore he was.

Recent soruces/Inside sources from Marvel can chat a lot of crap, as is evident. In fact, Marvel can chat a lot of crap to boot. She wasn't shown on panel with any of the X-Men because she had another role to play in Xavier's master plan.

Marvel still writes the canon.

THEREFORE SHE WASN'T ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SIX X-MEN ON TEAM, WAS SHE?

@AgeofHurricane said:

No. She was still an honorary X-Man because the Xavier + Mystique/Shortpack case was entirely different, Xavier didn't have anything to hold on Sage, Mystique was more or less his agent for protection and in the end she ended up turning on him anyways, whereas Sage actually went through X-Men training and the lot of it, he found her and actually considered her a member but he didn't think her specialities were needed for the main team.

So therefore she didn't join. It's like the Empire State Building. People don't buy tickets to get in the lobby. They buy tickets to get to the top. It doesn't count if you don't get to the top.

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@X35 said:

@AgeofHurricane: Yeah, but what you're saying isn't even true to the point... in as much as you've said "but in the end she didn't join". Therefore she didn't join...

She was never shown on-panel with any of the X-Men, unlike Mimic. Moreover, a recent source from Marvel stated that Mimic was was sixth member, therefore he was.

Recent soruces/Inside sources from Marvel can chat a lot of crap, as is evident. In fact, Marvel can chat a lot of crap to boot. She wasn't shown on panel with any of the X-Men because she had another role to play in Xavier's master plan.

Marvel still writes the canon.

THEREFORE SHE WASN'T ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SIX X-MEN ON TEAM, WAS SHE?

@AgeofHurricane said:

No. She was still an honorary X-Man because the Xavier + Mystique/Shortpack case was entirely different, Xavier didn't have anything to hold on Sage, Mystique was more or less his agent for protection and in the end she ended up turning on him anyways, whereas Sage actually went through X-Men training and the lot of it, he found her and actually considered her a member but he didn't think her specialities were needed for the main team.

So therefore she didn't join. It's like the Empire State Building. People don't buy tickets to get in the lobby. They buy tickets to get to the top. It doesn't count if you don't get to the top.

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@X35 said:

@AgeofHurricane: Yeah, but what you're saying isn't even true to the point... in as much as you've said "but in the end she didn't join". Therefore she didn't join...

She was never shown on-panel with any of the X-Men, unlike Mimic. Moreover, a recent source from Marvel stated that Mimic was was sixth member, therefore he was.

Recent soruces/Inside sources from Marvel can chat a lot of crap, as is evident. In fact, Marvel can chat a lot of crap to boot. She wasn't shown on panel with any of the X-Men because she had another role to play in Xavier's master plan.

Marvel still writes the canon.

THEREFORE SHE WASN'T ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SIX X-MEN ON TEAM, WAS SHE?

Wrong. Not everything needs to be seen on panel for it to be a fact, especially if there's valid proof/explanations for it.

You can think whatever you want, but by current Marvel continuity you're wrong.

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@X35 said:

@AgeofHurricane: Yeah, but what you're saying isn't even true to the point... in as much as you've said "but in the end she didn't join". Therefore she didn't join...

She was never shown on-panel with any of the X-Men, unlike Mimic. Moreover, a recent source from Marvel stated that Mimic was was sixth member, therefore he was.

Recent soruces/Inside sources from Marvel can chat a lot of crap, as is evident. In fact, Marvel can chat a lot of crap to boot. She wasn't shown on panel with any of the X-Men because she had another role to play in Xavier's master plan.

Marvel still writes the canon.

THEREFORE SHE WASN'T ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SIX X-MEN ON TEAM, WAS SHE?

Wrong. Not everything needs to be seen on panel for it to be a fact, especially if there's valid proof/explanations for it.

You can think whatever you want, but by current Marvel continuity you're wrong.

@AgeofHurricane: Well even in this issue that this topic is about Rogue says

"you were the first X-Man Xavier recruited after the original team"

so...

@AgeofHurricane: Well even in this issue that this topic is about Rogue says

"you were the first X-Man Xavier recruited after the original team"

so...

@AgeofHurricane: Just because someone was considered for a team doesn't make them a member ffs!! >.<

@AgeofHurricane: Just because someone was considered for a team doesn't make them a member ffs!! >.<

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@X35 said:

@AgeofHurricane: Yeah, but what you're saying isn't even true to the point... in as much as you've said "but in the end she didn't join". Therefore she didn't join...

She was never shown on-panel with any of the X-Men, unlike Mimic. Moreover, a recent source from Marvel stated that Mimic was was sixth member, therefore he was.

Recent soruces/Inside sources from Marvel can chat a lot of crap, as is evident. In fact, Marvel can chat a lot of crap to boot. She wasn't shown on panel with any of the X-Men because she had another role to play in Xavier's master plan.

Marvel still writes the canon.

THEREFORE SHE WASN'T ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SIX X-MEN ON TEAM, WAS SHE?

Wrong. Not everything needs to be seen on panel for it to be a fact, especially if there's valid proof/explanations for it.

You can think whatever you want, but by current Marvel continuity you're wrong.

Of course i am, because Marvel continuity is always correct and on point and it should never be questioned. That, and the fact that we've never seen Sage on panel as a member of the X-Men even though there are other explanations for it, alrrrrriiiight.

But the point is that Mimic was the first to fight with the original team of X-Men.

Sage was unknown to the other X-Men. She may have been trained around the same time, but she was never their team member. Mimic was. Sage became Shaw's assistant at a pretty early stage. She never fought with the 05 X-Men.

I advise you read XXM #44 & XXM #9 again.

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@X35 said:

@AgeofHurricane: Yeah, but what you're saying isn't even true to the point... in as much as you've said "but in the end she didn't join". Therefore she didn't join...

She was never shown on-panel with any of the X-Men, unlike Mimic. Moreover, a recent source from Marvel stated that Mimic was was sixth member, therefore he was.

Recent soruces/Inside sources from Marvel can chat a lot of crap, as is evident. In fact, Marvel can chat a lot of crap to boot. She wasn't shown on panel with any of the X-Men because she had another role to play in Xavier's master plan.

Marvel still writes the canon.

THEREFORE SHE WASN'T ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SIX X-MEN ON TEAM, WAS SHE?

Wrong. Not everything needs to be seen on panel for it to be a fact, especially if there's valid proof/explanations for it.

You can think whatever you want, but by current Marvel continuity you're wrong.

Of course i am, because Marvel continuity is always correct and on point and it should never be questioned. That, and the fact that we've never seen Sage on panel as a member of the X-Men even though there are other explanations for it, alrrrrriiiight.

But the point is that Mimic was the first to fight with the original team of X-Men.

Sage was unknown to the other X-Men. She may have been trained around the same time, but she was never their team member. Mimic was. Sage became Shaw's assistant at a pretty early stage. She never fought with the 05 X-Men.

I advise you read XXM #44 & XXM #9 again.

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@X35 said:

@AgeofHurricane: Yeah, but what you're saying isn't even true to the point... in as much as you've said "but in the end she didn't join". Therefore she didn't join...

She was never shown on-panel with any of the X-Men, unlike Mimic. Moreover, a recent source from Marvel stated that Mimic was was sixth member, therefore he was.

Recent soruces/Inside sources from Marvel can chat a lot of crap, as is evident. In fact, Marvel can chat a lot of crap to boot. She wasn't shown on panel with any of the X-Men because she had another role to play in Xavier's master plan.

Marvel still writes the canon.

THEREFORE SHE WASN'T ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SIX X-MEN ON TEAM, WAS SHE?

Wrong. Not everything needs to be seen on panel for it to be a fact, especially if there's valid proof/explanations for it.

You can think whatever you want, but by current Marvel continuity you're wrong.

Of course i am, because Marvel continuity is always correct and on point and it should never be questioned. That, and the fact that we've never seen Sage on panel as a member of the X-Men even though there are other explanations for it, alrrrrriiiight.

But the point is that Mimic was the first to fight with the original team of X-Men.

Sage was unknown to the other X-Men. She may have been trained around the same time, but she was never their team member. Mimic was. Sage became Shaw's assistant at a pretty early stage. She never fought with the 05 X-Men.

I advise you read XXM #44 & XXM #9 again.

That's clearly not the point I'm trying to make, since when did you need to fight with the preliminary roster of a team before you were a part of them ?

That is what i don't get, how can the founder of a team find you, recruit you, train you as he/she would the rest of hers/his other new members, then, he sends you off to spy on an upcoming adversary for a long amount of time but then for some reason, that doesn't make you an actual member of his team (?), or a founding member for that matter (or orginal 5 to be seen publicly) just because you were off somewhere else doing something, even though you're allegiance was to the founder. I don't get that.

Her allegiance was to their founder, true, not to the original team. She may have been affiliated with Xavier for a longer time, but she was never an X-Man (if we take X-Man to be team member like most people do), as most people view it. It's like saying Shortpack was an X-Man because of that reason and is therefore an older X-Member than, say, Magik, Danger or Pixie.

Besides, if we're being perfectly real, Sage's involvement with the X-Men was a messy early 2000s retcon to suit Claremont's story needs at the time.

@AgeofHurricane: I'll nip this in the bud and say I completely and utterly disagree that Sage was an original X-Men or whatever... but I'm not gonna lose sleep over it frothing at the mouth complaining "HOW CAN HE EVEN THINK THAT SAGE WAS A MEMBER BEFORE MIMIC?!?!!?!!!!?!?!?!?". I'll just say "meh, not really..." and move on xP

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@X35 said:

@AgeofHurricane: Yeah, but what you're saying isn't even true to the point... in as much as you've said "but in the end she didn't join". Therefore she didn't join...

She was never shown on-panel with any of the X-Men, unlike Mimic. Moreover, a recent source from Marvel stated that Mimic was was sixth member, therefore he was.

Recent soruces/Inside sources from Marvel can chat a lot of crap, as is evident. In fact, Marvel can chat a lot of crap to boot. She wasn't shown on panel with any of the X-Men because she had another role to play in Xavier's master plan.

Marvel still writes the canon.

THEREFORE SHE WASN'T ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SIX X-MEN ON TEAM, WAS SHE?

Wrong. Not everything needs to be seen on panel for it to be a fact, especially if there's valid proof/explanations for it.

You can think whatever you want, but by current Marvel continuity you're wrong.

Of course i am, because Marvel continuity is always correct and on point and it should never be questioned. That, and the fact that we've never seen Sage on panel as a member of the X-Men even though there are other explanations for it, alrrrrriiiight.

But the point is that Mimic was the first to fight with the original team of X-Men.

Sage was unknown to the other X-Men. She may have been trained around the same time, but she was never their team member. Mimic was. Sage became Shaw's assistant at a pretty early stage. She never fought with the 05 X-Men.

I advise you read XXM #44 & XXM #9 again.

That's clearly not the point I'm trying to make, since when did you need to fight with the preliminary roster of a team before you were a part of them ?

That is what i don't get, how can the founder of a team find you, recruit you, train you as he/she would the rest of hers/his other new members, then, he sends you off to spy on an upcoming adversary for a long amount of time but then for some reason, that doesn't make you an actual member of his team (?), or a founding member for that matter (or orginal 5 to be seen publicly) just because you were off somewhere else doing something, even though you're allegiance was to the founder. I don't get that.

Her allegiance was to their founder, true, not to the original team. She may have been affiliated with Xavier for a longer time, but she was never an X-Man (if we take X-Man to be team member like most people do), as most people view it. It's like saying Shortpack was an X-Man because of that reason and is therefore an older X-Member than, say, Magik, Danger or Pixie.

Besides, if we're being perfectly real, Sage's involvement with the X-Men was a messy early 2000s retcon to suit Claremont's story needs at the time.

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@X35 said:

@AgeofHurricane: Yeah, but what you're saying isn't even true to the point... in as much as you've said "but in the end she didn't join". Therefore she didn't join...

She was never shown on-panel with any of the X-Men, unlike Mimic. Moreover, a recent source from Marvel stated that Mimic was was sixth member, therefore he was.

Recent soruces/Inside sources from Marvel can chat a lot of crap, as is evident. In fact, Marvel can chat a lot of crap to boot. She wasn't shown on panel with any of the X-Men because she had another role to play in Xavier's master plan.

Marvel still writes the canon.

THEREFORE SHE WASN'T ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SIX X-MEN ON TEAM, WAS SHE?

Wrong. Not everything needs to be seen on panel for it to be a fact, especially if there's valid proof/explanations for it.

You can think whatever you want, but by current Marvel continuity you're wrong.

Of course i am, because Marvel continuity is always correct and on point and it should never be questioned. That, and the fact that we've never seen Sage on panel as a member of the X-Men even though there are other explanations for it, alrrrrriiiight.

But the point is that Mimic was the first to fight with the original team of X-Men.

Sage was unknown to the other X-Men. She may have been trained around the same time, but she was never their team member. Mimic was. Sage became Shaw's assistant at a pretty early stage. She never fought with the 05 X-Men.

I advise you read XXM #44 & XXM #9 again.

That's clearly not the point I'm trying to make, since when did you need to fight with the preliminary roster of a team before you were a part of them ?

That is what i don't get, how can the founder of a team find you, recruit you, train you as he/she would the rest of hers/his other new members, then, he sends you off to spy on an upcoming adversary for a long amount of time but then for some reason, that doesn't make you an actual member of his team (?), or a founding member for that matter (or orginal 5 to be seen publicly) just because you were off somewhere else doing something, even though you're allegiance was to the founder. I don't get that.

Her allegiance was to their founder, true, not to the original team. She may have been affiliated with Xavier for a longer time, but she was never an X-Man (if we take X-Man to be team member like most people do), as most people view it. It's like saying Shortpack was an X-Man because of that reason and is therefore an older X-Member than, say, Magik, Danger or Pixie.

Besides, if we're being perfectly real, Sage's involvement with the X-Men was a messy early 2000s retcon to suit Claremont's story needs at the time.

Eh, well that is where I'm basing this off of.

You're basing it off a retcon yet refusing to acknowledge a more recent alteration to this history in the last issue of Legacy.

@John Valentine: What alteration in the last issue of Legacy?

@X35 said:

@John Valentine: What alteration in the last issue of Legacy?

Mimic states he was the sixth X-Man. Either way you look at it now, he was.

@John Valentine said:

@X35 said:

@John Valentine: What alteration in the last issue of Legacy?

Mimic states he was the sixth X-Man. Either way you look at it now, he was.

That isn't an alteration because it's always been true ;)

@X35 said:

@John Valentine said:

@X35 said:

@John Valentine: What alteration in the last issue of Legacy?

Mimic states he was the sixth X-Man. Either way you look at it now, he was.

That isn't an alteration because it's always been true ;)

But it should view how AgeOfHurricane views it seeing as retcon was their main argument for Sage being an original, anyway.

I've agreed that Mimic was the sixth all along, even though I don't value him as a character.

@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:
No. She was still an honorary X-Man because the Xavier + Mystique/Shortpack case was entirely different, Xavier didn't have anything to hold on Sage, Mystique was more or less his agent for protection and in the end she ended up turning on him anyways, whereas Sage actually went through X-Men training and the lot of it, he found her and actually considered her a member but he didn't think her specialities were needed for the main team.

Are you so sure about that? Because this image says different. Pretty much saying that Xavier did not consider her an X-Men but instead a spy for him to use. Which he did, against Sebastian Shaw.

Yeah, Sage was never really an X-Men.

And no, I don't care much for Mimic. 616 At least.

@John Valentine said:

Gambit's just a shell of a character at the moment, still pining after Rogue

Have to say though, I actually dug it this issue. But that's perhaps just because I'm such a Rogue X Gambit shipper lmao.

@ReVamp said:

Yeah, Sage was never really an X-Men.

And no, I don't care much for Mimic. 616 At least.

@John Valentine said:

Gambit's just a shell of a character at the moment, still pining after Rogue

Have to say though, I actually dug it this issue. But that's perhaps just because I'm such a Rogue X Gambit shipper lmao.

Didn't think it did him justice, dude.