@AgeofHurricane said:

@John Valentine said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

 i just lost interest in X-Men Unlimited, i don't know why but it just seemed pretty boring, it wasn't exactly bringing anything knew except "secret" stories of a character (or characters) that we've already seen before or were just devices to make readers spend more money on Marvel, i HAD to stop reading UXM right at the end of the Eve Of Destruction story-arc, the art was absolutely horrible and the writing ?............................................................................................lets not get into that, it wasn't that bad but still...for me everything during the 1980s as well as 1990's were good, everything was nostalgic as well as iconic, those were definitely the glory-days of the X-Men IMO, this is kind of true, though to me the writing was a whole lot more better then it was now and so was the characterization + whats with the same teams featuring in almost every-single X-Book ? i mean i know Legacy is solely Rogues now but still , Magneto's still in it and he's in UXM too , Cyclops is in Astonishing as well as adjectiveless and UXM and for what ? infact whats the point of even having an adjectiveless if its going to feature the same BORING characters on the lame adventures to gain more money Marvel, what?, i love Claremonts X-Men, he was the best IMO, some people may say he's too wordy but that's why most of us love him and now ? the only titles im hanging on to because i like are Astonishing and Uncanny X-Force , UXM im just reading until it finishes and Adjectiveless im just reading to see if they'll actually pull off some decent story-arcs in there.

The problem with smaller issues and stories like in X-Men Unlimited is that they're very often forgotten. I suppose it's nice if you're a fan of the character, and if they're not getting a lot of spotlight, for you to read about them. They can be fun, but, in reality, they don't matter and are very rarely revisited and totally boring if you're not interested in the character.   Eve of Destruction was Claremont, right? Haha. I like Lionel Yu's art, so I disagree. I thought Eve of Destruction was okay, not amazing. A lot of the 1990s stuff was rubbish, IMO, though it may hold some sort of nostalgia.  Claremont's original run is an absolute classic, agreed, his subsequent runs upon his returns were good (Late 90s X-Men, X-Treme X-Men, X-Men: The End, Uncanny X-Men) . IMO, until his Exiles which was terrible.   The end of X-Treme X-Men wasn't very strong with the Elias Bogan stuff. The reason his original run was good, aside from Nostalgia, was probably due to the fact that all the characters were basically his and he was given license to do almost everything he wanted, exploring many different plot lines for the first time. The fact that his run lasted for so long, sixteen years,  enabled him to establish running plots and really develop his charactersHe has some classic stuff, but some of it isn't that good. That said, some of his stuff was really average and some was down right stupid (Jean Grey's accepted return after her genocide as Dark Phoenix, Madelyne Pryor mess) and I really feel as though he favouritized characters, Storm, Rachael way too much (as bad as Cyclops was favouritsed by Fraction). Moreover, I think a lot of more recent stuff, New X-Men (Grant Morrison), Astonishing X-Men (Whedon) and Carey's X-Men could be technically better than his older work, which could be considered dated. Astonishing X-Men is basically not in continuity;  it's so out of sync that any developments well be pointless. X-Men Vol. 3 doesn't really have a purpose. The X-Books need more defined teams. 

t potential, true he really did favouritized his characters ESPECIALLY Storm, which is why we (storm fans) want him back as soon as possible, Lol, did you expect people to come hunting her down ? (though now that i come to think of it that WAS a pretty weird thing for them NOT to do), among the 3 that you listed GM's run of the New X-Men had to be the better, i really, really, really DO love that series, the new outfits that he brought for them, the new era that the mutants were set in, the new characters, new villains (NEW) im thinking of NXM right now and it just brings me back........to me Astonishing is still in continuity, its been stated by writers to be in it and now that it's been revamped to show people that it's still in continuity we should be seeing more proof, i mean in #38 Kitty mentioned the troubles that Scott and Beast had between them, so..........................................................X-Men vol. 3 really doesn't have a purpose, it's just there, i had high hopes for Gischlers To Serve and Protect arc but i was sadly disappointed, IFinKR?! and even when they do get 2 separate teams they have to be kept in the 2 same damn books, how annoying is that!?

 Ah! I understand now. I remember liking Joe Caey's short stint on the title and I only read it a year and nine ago. I may have been sleepy when I read it, though. I would not bother with Austen's Uncanny or X-Men run. I'd stay well clear of it, even for the art which was nice.  Hated the dragon woman too. It's been five/six years since I read the ending of X-Treme X-Men, could be better than I remember.  No, I just think that no one mentions her monstrous act. The whole  "Jean is Phoenix and Phoenix is Jean" thing seems to be used when it's an advantage for her, especially in description of her powers, but not with regard to how she killed a planet of sentient life forms to sustain her power as Dark Phoenix, how she tore about her own team. The fact that she came back and really ruined everyone's lives again especially Scott/Madelyne's and brought about Inferno in hooking up with Scott and replacing Madelyne etc.  Surely as Phoenix she could have at some point restored them to life? Is she not/was she not life and death incarnate? Oh, well, that's over 20 years ago now.  I'd like to add that the reason Claremont's so important is that he basically established the beginnings of the modern X-Men mythos, all of the classic X-Men stuff is basically Claremont, but NXM modernised the X-Men. it was fantastic and simply my favourite X-run. I wish GM had to have had a run as long as Claremont's. That's another thing. As I mentioned before, Claremont's run was ridiculously long, I'm sure another writer could do an even better job given the same creative liberties and time.   They may say that, but the dispute between Cyclops and Beast happened almost a year ago. Not buying it. It's lagging so far behind that anything that happens in Astonishing X-Men can't be worthwhile and this makes it a waste of time. X-Men Vol. 3 has been disappointing. The first arc was the best.

 
So.
 
I guess you do have your own opinion on the matter, but I don't see why Cyclops doesn't work as he is right now.
 
Cyclops isn't evil or anything. He is still the good guy (unless you believe Schism terrible writting), but you can't lead a family or a bunch of friends as 'just another guy'. He took the leadership and people are glad because he is the best at it, and he is willing to be the target of  'I hate you, leader who makes tough choices!'. I take, for example, Rogue in Second Coming, taking Hope outside to fight. She listened to her heart, and it was a bad call. In the end it paid off, but she could have killed Hope. You can't lead with heart, you gotta lead with reason and faith.
 
I don't see Scott Summers as a bad guy, and although Schism is shit, I could get behind Emma as a leader of the X-Men. It can't any worse than Wolverine, too, and I can see Miss Frost out-smarting Logan until these whole Schism thing dies off and the X-Men are brought together again. I will, however, back up anything that brings my New X-Men back!

Ok, after reading Schism #3 Cyclops is officially a major SONOFAB!@#$ !

Ok, after reading Schism #3 Cyclops is officially a major SONOFAB!@#$ !

@ReVamp: Well, he may not be a major SONOFAB!@#$! when you read it but to me he most definitely is !

@ReVamp: Well, Idie's the only reason that I'm reading Generation Hope and Cyclops basically just signed her off of it, i was hoping not Wolverine Post-Schism but now that she probably might be on his team I'm going to have to pick up Wolverine And The X-Men when i really don't want to so I'm FURIOUS !

@ReVamp: Well, Logans on the Gold team and Gen Hope is on the Blue team so.....I don't mind if this is temporary but it still annoys me.

@ReVamp: His exposure, it's just too much.