So, I'm a huge fan of Claremont's work on the X-Men. I'm still trying to get all through his 17 year run the form of the Essential collections, and have read his Vignettes (which have been my favorites), but how does X-Men Forever fare in comparison? Does it live up to his other stuff? Can anyone tell me what they think about the book, because I'm not sure whether or not to start the series.
there's really no middle ground with claremont. ya either love 'im, or hate 'im. i'm the latter. i appreciate what he did in the days of yore creating some of my favorite characters....but he reached a plateau and, for me, he's never transcended it.
the forever series is supposedly what he would've done had he not left the book....i'm forever grateful that he did leave. it's dreadful, self-satisfying dribble. that may not be what u wanna hear, but if you enjoy anything about the x-men, you'll be scratching your head until it bleeds trying to follow claremont's plots and logic.
p.s. this thread's prolly gonna get locked, cuz i'm sure there are a few more asking about x-forever.
IMO? Claremont's a fantastic writer and he always will be seeing as how anything he writes is Golden (Compared to Fraction) i don't really think Forever is what would have happened had he stayed, it's just one of those off books that he work's one for reader's satisfaction to break away from the 616 world and TBH you wont love the first bit but as you read more i think you will love the rest , the only downside to it maybe that Storm is like one of the main character's starting from issue 1 for some reason and she just get's bigger and bigger(and we all know that readers don't like it when one character get's all the attention right?) until she will explode
From what I have read in past interviews with claremont and what little I have read of X-Men Forever it seems like its not just what he "would have done" had he not left the book, but he is also bringing to life every idea of his that ever got shot down in the past and at times it seems to get a little messy.
I am a huge fan of classic Claremont, however what little I have read of Forever I was not all that impressed.
I think there is only 1 issue left to come out this month and the series ends. I was not too impressed with X-Men Forever for the most part (some stories drag on and it can be a very wordy in some issues) but there are some cool moments and different takes on the characters that were interesting.
"there's really no middle ground with claremont. ya either love 'im, or hate 'im. i'm the latter. i appreciate what he did in the days of yore creating some of my favorite characters....but he reached a plateau and, for me, he's never transcended it. the forever series is supposedly what he would've done had he not left the book....i'm forever grateful that he did leave. it's dreadful, self-satisfying dribble. that may not be what u wanna hear, but if you enjoy anything about the x-men, you'll be scratching your head until it bleeds trying to follow claremont's plots and logic. p.s. this thread's prolly gonna get locked, cuz i'm sure there are a few more asking about x-forever. "
I also like his style but as I grew older I could see what people meant by saying he writes "goofy" dialogue that you could never realistically fit into the action being depicted. I still like his work, but he (or possibly the artist he worked with) earned a black mark for not showing Jubes in issue #10. I think Forever is not at all what he planned to do with the X-Men back in the day - some of it is sure, but quite a few plot twists here and there feel more like teasing attacks on the continuity set up by later writers, just for lulz. He also hasn't been consistent with what did/didn't happen in the past, leaving some readers confused and giving his haters ammunition to criticise.
I've read about half of the issues and the annual and think it's an interesting and fun story.
The series itself reads like classic Claremont.....if he didn't have someone to filter him. I enjoy reading the classic stuff, but you could tell an editor had pulled him back just slightly from some of his ideas. I read quite a bit of it out of curiosity, but then found myself really like "WTF" everytime a new issue came out. Claremont writes his stories in a very specific way. You will always find a young sidekick (in this case its 'Ro), there's the loner badass (Sabretooth), the slick loverboy (Gambit), the loose cannon who is really just very sensitive (Rogue) and of course his uberpowerful women.
About the only thing that i fully liked about the forever series was his take on Kitty. The Wolverine (which lead to the Kitty "reinvention") and Beast splits were kind of stupid. Not to ruin the plot but you can't do that to those 2. Its worth a read but if you get tired of the story line i could understand putting it down and not picking it back up.
Claremont did a great job with the X-Men while he was writing them, and introduced a lot of elements to the book that are still relevant today. But like most artists who do great work, leave, and try to come back, it's never quite the same.
I'm glad he left and made room for some other great writers who have moved the X-Men along to where they are now, but any true X-Men fan has to appreciate hs original work with the title.
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