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    Who is physically stronger: Monet or Frenzy?

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    #1  Edited By Iron_Lad

    Who is the most physically strongest female mutant out there? I've always felt that there's been a lack of strength-based female mutants in comics. That's why I miss Rogue when she had Ms. Marvel's powers. She was so bad-ass back then. I know that there's that girl from the runaways now and maybe Emma Frost in diamond form and that's about it.

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    #2  Edited By danhimself

    I don't know enough about Frenzy to answer that but I don't think Emma's diamond form is all that strong...she just got thrown around by Dark Beast and the Lizard in X-men #10

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    #3  Edited By VIZION2011

    Monet is stronger however marvel has allot of female heavvy hitters. Theres She Hulk, Thundra, Red she hulk, ms marvel, Lyra, Ultra girl, Gladiators cuzin, Thor girl, and much more... :-)

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    #4  Edited By Iron_Lad
    @VIZION2010 said:

    " Monet is stronger however marvel has allot of female heavvy hitters. Theres She Hulk, Thundra, Red she hulk, ms marvel, Lyra, Ultra girl, Gladiators cuzin, Thor girl, and much more... :-) "

    I know Marvel has a ton of strong female characters, but I'm talking mutants.
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    #5  Edited By VIZION2011

    Oh well yeah ur right on that one, as a matter of fact let me try and find some becuz I cant think of any female mutant heavy hitters of the top of my head.

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    #6  Edited By SC  Moderator

    Frenzy. As far as Marvel's opinion goes. I think her older feats as well would be better. In recent times, M has been used more, and has more feats (but not necessarily better) Monet is surprisingly not... well her durability to strength ratio isn't like say old school Rogue. I think she is suppose to only be in the 10 ton strength range. Molly will probably be stronger than both when she is older, more clearly. 


    Namora might be the strongest I think of the top of my head. Not counting characters who can drain or mimic. 
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    #7  Edited By VIZION2011

    ANgel Dust,big bertha,Armor,arclight still searching lol    

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    #8  Edited By FernandoGrey

    the strongest is M bc beside her strength, she foresaw each attack by using her telepathic ability and she way more astute that Frenzy, Mind over matter always winnn


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    #9  Edited By THUNDERBOLT30

    Frenzy is physically stronger than M by far. I believe she was a 50 tonner from the beginning and I don't recall M being more than a 10 tonner (but that could have changed). Good point on female mutants with super-strength. Emma has it but I don't think her strength level is high. I wouldn't mind having a super strong female mutant or 2. Aside from Armor there aren't too many super strong mutants on Utopia to make it overly redundant. Namor, Colossus and Sunspot are the only 3 I can think of that have considerable physical strength.  

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    #10  Edited By lorex

    I think you are all wrong.  Molly Hayes from Runaways is far stronger then either and her powers haven't fully matured as of yet, she is about 12 years old.

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    #11  Edited By CellphoneGirl
    @lorex: I'd love to see Molly take on people when she is older.
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    #12  Edited By papad1992


    Well Molly is too young.... so let's leave her out of this!

     

    I'd say it's a tie between M, Frenzy, and Big Berttha!! (People always seem to forget about Big Bertha and that she's a mutant too!!)

     

    So here are the ones I could think of:

     

    Ernst - I've never really seen a feat she's done!! But her "powers" are supposed to be super strength!!

    Nekra - has the ability to increase her strength.

    Omega Sentinel - She's a setinel... she probably could lift some tons!!

    Sabra - The Israeli superhero whose mutant power is super strength!!

    Wolfsbane - her strength was greatly enhanced by Elixir so she could bare her pregnancy!!

    Big Bertha - she's like a female version of the Blob... only she "vomits" her excess weight to become normal figured again!!.... ewwwww!!! Nasty.

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    #13  Edited By Warpath Storm

    M by far
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    #14  Edited By Backflip

    M would win in a fight, but that is due to her other abilities. Frenzy is physically stronger

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    #15  Edited By papad1992
    @Backflip:

    Well, if we leave out M's other abilities and focus on the super strength aspect... Frenzy would definelty win the fight!!!
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    @backflip said:

    M would win in a fight, but that is due to her other abilities. Frenzy is physically stronger

    I agree. I'd hate to see a Molly and Frenzy match up.

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    Rogue is not super strong anymore? I could have sworn in Xmen 1 or 2 she broke thru a roof and was clearly the muscle in a fight. But I may be wrong. And if she is not strong anymore when did this happen?

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    Rogue is not super strong anymore? I could have sworn in Xmen 1 or 2 she broke thru a roof and was clearly the muscle in a fight. But I may be wrong. And if she is not strong anymore when did this happen?

    Well... it was at the School. She could have touched a few students before breaking down the door.

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    So she's doesn't have Ms.Marvel's power anymore? Can she still fly and all? When did this happen?

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    @hawk2916 said:

    Rogue is not super strong anymore? I could have sworn in Xmen 1 or 2 she broke thru a roof and was clearly the muscle in a fight. But I may be wrong. And if she is not strong anymore when did this happen?

    Well... it was at the School. She could have touched a few students before breaking down the door.

    Rogue got her strength in those issue from Northstar, reminding me of a super-strong female mutant who seems to have been forgotten in this thread..

    Aurora!!

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    @knighthood said:

    @hawk2916 said:

    Rogue is not super strong anymore? I could have sworn in Xmen 1 or 2 she broke thru a roof and was clearly the muscle in a fight. But I may be wrong. And if she is not strong anymore when did this happen?

    Well... it was at the School. She could have touched a few students before breaking down the door.

    Rogue got her strength in those issue from Northstar, reminding me of a super-strong female mutant who seems to have been forgotten in this thread..

    Aurora!!

    Yes. It stated in the first issue she was using Northstar's ability to fly. I'm kinda new to this depowered Rogue (not that I can tell much of a difference). How long can she keep abilities? If she is still using Northstar's ability she'd have it at least a third of a day by the second issue. Is that normal now?

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    Yes. It stated in the first issue she was using Northstar's ability to fly. I'm kinda new to this depowered Rogue (not that I can tell much of a difference). How long can she keep abilities? If she is still using Northstar's ability she'd have it at least a third of a day by the second issue. Is that normal now?

    From what I've seen, it seems to be normal now, yeah. About two or three issues before the powers start to wear off. But when she needs powers, she can almost always get some; and she's quite resourceful even without powers.

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    @iron_lad: Well aleast Rogue defeated She-Hulk and Ms Marvel in the Avengers Vs X-Men event.

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    Batman via prep time.

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    #25  Edited By lykopis

    @oldnightcrawler said:

    @knighthood said:

    Yes. It stated in the first issue she was using Northstar's ability to fly. I'm kinda new to this depowered Rogue (not that I can tell much of a difference). How long can she keep abilities? If she is still using Northstar's ability she'd have it at least a third of a day by the second issue. Is that normal now?

    From what I've seen, it seems to be normal now, yeah. About two or three issues before the powers start to wear off. But when she needs powers, she can almost always get some; and she's quite resourceful even without powers.

    In X-Men Legacy, she stated she was able to retain borrowed powers for twelve hours, (which is why after she absorbed Legion's powers she took advantage and went off to bring back Polaris, Havoc and Rachel from space) although prior to that, she's been shown to keep powers relative to how long she maintained contact -- which was to explain the Carol Danvers situation.

    She's in complete control now so I would go with the 12 hour thing -- and she is able to not hurt people when she does absorb their powers as well.

    edit : To answer the thread's OP, Frenzy is physically stronger. :)

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    @lykopis said:

    @oldnightcrawler said:

    @knighthood said:

    Yes. It stated in the first issue she was using Northstar's ability to fly. I'm kinda new to this depowered Rogue (not that I can tell much of a difference). How long can she keep abilities? If she is still using Northstar's ability she'd have it at least a third of a day by the second issue. Is that normal now?

    From what I've seen, it seems to be normal now, yeah. About two or three issues before the powers start to wear off. But when she needs powers, she can almost always get some; and she's quite resourceful even without powers.

    In X-Men Legacy, she stated she was able to retain borrowed powers for twelve hours, (which is why after she absorbed Legion's powers she took advantage and went off to bring back Polaris, Havoc and Rachel from space) although prior to that, she's been shown to keep powers relative to how long she maintained contact -- which was to explain the Carol Danvers situation.

    She's in complete control now so I would go with the 12 hour thing -- and she is able to not hurt people when she does absorb their powers as well.

    edit : To answer the thread's OP, Frenzy is physically stronger. :)

    That's why we should all our X-Books like good little boys and girls. lol.

    Thanks. I'm actually reading Legacy but not quite caught up. The art is mess though.

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    @knighthood:

    Agreed on the art -- really unhappy with it.

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    Frenzy is strongef by a lot. I think that Namora is the physically strongest mutant anyway

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    Monet hasnt been just a 10 tonner since she was in Generation X - and that wasnt even the real Monet. It was her little sisters trying to approximate her. She's been getting steadily stronger since then. She's long since gone past 50 tons. Recently, since she came back from the dead, she's had a massive power-up. She's beat the hell out of an Asgardian, breaking 2 of the Asgardian's ribs and giving her 8 fractures. And Monet warned her that she was holding back. Not to mention she also has a ton of psionic powers, including pretty strong telekinesis on top of her physical powers.

    The Asgardian also mentioned Monet was basically a goddess power-wise

    http://s4.postimg.org/ge42rcwkd/009.jpg

    I've actually read a comic which said she was an Omega level mutant now (post-coming back from the dead). Soon as I find it, I'll post it as well.

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    @pander1 said:

    Monet hasnt been just a 10 tonner since she was in Generation X - and that wasnt even the real Monet. It was her little sisters trying to approximate her. She's been getting steadily stronger since then. She's long since gone past 50 tons. Recently, since she came back from the dead, she's had a massive power-up. She's beat the hell out of an Asgardian, breaking 2 of the Asgardian's ribs and giving her 8 fractures. And Monet warned her that she was holding back. Not to mention she also has a ton of psionic powers, including pretty strong telekinesis on top of her physical powers.

    The Asgardian also mentioned Monet was basically a goddess power-wise

    http://s4.postimg.org/ge42rcwkd/009.jpg

    I've actually read a comic which said she was an Omega level mutant now (post-coming back from the dead). Soon as I find it, I'll post it as well.

    I think this is the right answer.

    For what it's worth Scott Lobdell (who invented M) once described her as essentially Supergirl meets Veronica Lodge, and it seems to me that Supergirl should be stronger than Frenzy.

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    Monet has the strength.

    Frenzy has the invulnerability.

    Purely physically... i'd edge to Frenzy... But with full powersets - flight and psionics from Monet... Monet gets the money.

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    #32  Edited By pander1

    Monet has invulnerability as well, devilsgrin.

    She has superstrength, invulnerability, superspeed (she can move at Mach 3), super reflexes, a 192 IQ, super intuition, telepathy, telekinesis, mind control, mental illusions, psi-bolts, psi-shields, and a bunch of other powers. She really is a jack of all trades when it comes to the power lottery.

    Molly's stronger than Frenzy or M though - at least physically (Molly is a Class 100 mutant, and her biggest feat was throwing a 65,000 ton skyscraper sized monster (though she did have a caffeine spell at the time) - but even without it, Molly is Colossus level strong plus invulnerable.

    M would still win though. She could just give Molly a mental imperative to fall asleep or something.

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    @pander1: Yeah. Comicvine needs to update their stats. 10 tens would be like lifting a piece of cardbard for M. She could probably blow past 50 tons rather easily. According to Marvel's wiki page, her strength maxes out at 75 tons. That's stronger than Carol Danvers!

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