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    The X-Men are a superhero team of mutants founded by Professor Charles Xavier. They are dedicated to helping fellow mutants and sworn to protect a world that fears and hates them.

    who among the x-men can take on apocalypse alone?

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    Many of the x-men have had power upgrades and secondary mutations, who among them can single handedly beat apocalypse?

    Will storms vast range of powers be beneficial in beating apocalypse?

    is Rachel powerful enough to beat him?

    is cyke's power up enough to bring apocalypse down?

    can the hive mind stun this powerhouse?

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    take on, or take on and win? its a totally different question lol

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    #3  Edited By phisigmatau

    huh Scott gotta power boost?

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    Polaris? I mean I don't recall entirely but didn't Magneto turn him to a puddle or something in House of M?

    Otherwise he'd crush anyone else....he's show up on the X-Men front lawn before

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    @koays said:

    Polaris? I mean I don't recall entirely but didn't Magneto turn him to a puddle or something in House of M?

    Otherwise he'd crush anyone else....he's show up on the X-Men front lawn before

    HOM was not real, so anything Magneto did there was something that could only happen in his fondest dreams backed by his daughters power to warp reality beyond her station. To date only two Xmen have been able to take him down and that was Jean and Cable when they actually did it.

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    Cable has been doing it for years so...

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    HOM was not real, so anything Magneto did there was something that could only happen in his fondest dreams backed by his daughters power to warp reality beyond her station.

    Actually, no intervention was found during his actions, at least not in Civil War.

    I'd argue that AU sometimes look much more logical than 616.

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    #8  Edited By EC2277

    @darthphoenix said:

    […]

    is cyke's power up enough to bring apocalypse down?

    can the hive mind stun this powerhouse?

    No one has explored the limit of the Cyclops' powers. In "Age of Apocalypse" his optic blast was able to destroy the left hand of Wolverine, with its adamantium skeleton and the regenerative factor of Logan wasn't able to regenerate his hand. In another story (I don't remember what) was confirmed that the optic blast of Cyclops are able to pulverize adamantium (http://i.imgur.com/NYFNEp2.jpg) and in X-Men 44 he was able to destroy a mountain without problem.

    This and the read of the description of Cyclops' power in the official site of Marvel, made me think that his destructive power is potentially limitless.

    Also in the psychic plan he should be a dangerous enemy for everyone: in X-Factor 68 was able to use (with the help of Jean) the psychic powers of his son like a bridge, to project his mind in the psychic plane, to fight and defeat Apocalypse himself.

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    is it true that archangel was able to bring down apocalypse?

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    #11  Edited By darthphoenix

    last time i checked wanda's an avenger

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    #12  Edited By THUNDERBOLT30

    I don't think any of the X-Men could solo Apoc. Jean could at one point (I remember she blasted through his armor during the 12 story...she may have had the PF then though.).

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    @koays said:

    Polaris? I mean I don't recall entirely but didn't Magneto turn him to a puddle or something in House of M?

    Otherwise he'd crush anyone else....he's show up on the X-Men front lawn before

    HOM was not real, so anything Magneto did there was something that could only happen in his fondest dreams backed by his daughters power to warp reality beyond her station. To date only two Xmen have been able to take him down and that was Jean and Cable when they actually did it.

    Didn't get a notification.

    Idk about how legit HoM was, i mean he never repeated the feat, but it's something to consider.

    In my opinion Jean's not doing it, and Cable's not doing it at current power levels. I just don't see anyone hanging with him in a 100% fresh fight unless they've got a way to beat him already. Dude regenerates.


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    @koays said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @koays said:

    Polaris? I mean I don't recall entirely but didn't Magneto turn him to a puddle or something in House of M?

    Otherwise he'd crush anyone else....he's show up on the X-Men front lawn before

    HOM was not real, so anything Magneto did there was something that could only happen in his fondest dreams backed by his daughters power to warp reality beyond her station. To date only two Xmen have been able to take him down and that was Jean and Cable when they actually did it.

    Didn't get a notification.

    Idk about how legit HoM was, i mean he never repeated the feat, but it's something to consider.

    In my opinion Jean's not doing it, and Cable's not doing it at current power levels. I just don't see anyone hanging with him in a 100% fresh fight unless they've got a way to beat him already. Dude regenerates.

    I didn't say they were doing it currently only mentioning that to date they are the only ones that wear the X that actually did do it to the point that he was considered dead for years.

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    @koays said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @koays said:

    Polaris? I mean I don't recall entirely but didn't Magneto turn him to a puddle or something in House of M?

    Otherwise he'd crush anyone else....he's show up on the X-Men front lawn before

    HOM was not real, so anything Magneto did there was something that could only happen in his fondest dreams backed by his daughters power to warp reality beyond her station. To date only two Xmen have been able to take him down and that was Jean and Cable when they actually did it.

    Didn't get a notification.

    Idk about how legit HoM was, i mean he never repeated the feat, but it's something to consider.

    In my opinion Jean's not doing it, and Cable's not doing it at current power levels. I just don't see anyone hanging with him in a 100% fresh fight unless they've got a way to beat him already. Dude regenerates.

    I didn't say they were doing it currently only mentioning that to date they are the only ones that wear the X that actually did do it to the point that he was considered dead for years.

    Gotcha, my mistake.


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    won't Rachel's micro black hole be enough?

    Magik's soulsword?

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    From the original line up, probably Jean and Iceman.

    If you take the whole mutants there are just so many.

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    #18  Edited By devilsgrin81

    there are many x-men who could legitimately stand up to Apocalypse. Whether they could defeat him is more arguable... but here's who i see being able to tangle with Apoc.

    Storm

    Rachel

    Quire

    Cyclops

    Polaris

    Psylocke (depending on how she's being written)

    Havok

    Jean

    Hope (shudderrr)

    Hellion

    Iceman

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    Magneto did destroyed Apocalypse weather dream or not. He did destroy him and I don't think Magneto destroying Apocalypse has nothing to do with Scarlet or dream. He destroyed him period. And what make ya think Magneto can't defeat him? Strange because he had defeated many threats and many powerful beings and none has nothing to do with Scarlet reality or dream. Sorry but I don't think so.

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    Well, Deadpool can't, that's for sure...

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    Well, Deadpool can't, that's for sure...

    lol

    I know. Poor Deadpool. Clearly that's not Evan.

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    nate grey would defeat him

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    Nate Grey's powers are diminished just saying.

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    @shebba said:

    Magneto did destroyed Apocalypse weather dream or not. He did destroy him and I don't think Magneto destroying Apocalypse has nothing to do with Scarlet or dream. He destroyed him period. And what make ya think Magneto can't defeat him? Strange because he had defeated many threats and many powerful beings and none has nothing to do with Scarlet reality or dream. Sorry but I don't think so.

    Whether dream or not? If it was a dream it certainly doesn't count for anything. It had everything to do with Scarlet Witch because she is responsible for HOM, and HOM was not real as even Rachel could see through it to the real reality beneath it. Maybe because if he did it in HOM that wasn't the real Apocalypse anyway, just like the Magik of HOM turned out not to be the real one resurrected, only a construct, as Belasco found out when he kidnapped the X-kids trying to find her. Apocalypse had been dead for a while before HOM. What makes us think he can't defeat him is him never legitimately defeating him. So far the only X-Men in 616 that have been able to actually beat and kill him were Jean and Cable when they beat and killed him to save Cyclops.

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    @shebba said:

    Magneto did destroyed Apocalypse weather dream or not. He did destroy him and I don't think Magneto destroying Apocalypse has nothing to do with Scarlet or dream. He destroyed him period. And what make ya think Magneto can't defeat him? Strange because he had defeated many threats and many powerful beings and none has nothing to do with Scarlet reality or dream. Sorry but I don't think so.

    Whether dream or not? If it was a dream it certainly doesn't count for anything. It had everything to do with Scarlet Witch because she is responsible for HOM, and HOM was not real as even Rachel could see through it to the real reality beneath it. Maybe because if he did it in HOM that wasn't the real Apocalypse anyway, just like the Magik of HOM turned out not to be the real one resurrected, only a construct, as Belasco found out when he kidnapped the X-kids trying to find her. Apocalypse had been dead for a while before HOM. What makes us think he can't defeat him is him never legitimately defeating him. So far the only X-Men in 616 that have been able to actually beat and kill him were Jean and Cable when they beat and killed him to save Cyclops.

    Oh no. He did beats him either dream or not. I think that's the point here.

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    was jean just a telepath when he and cable fought apocalypse?

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    Nate Grey's powers are diminished just saying.

    yeah they are but Im referring to when he was not depowered as he is most known in that manner :)

    was jean just a telepath when he and cable fought apocalypse?

    Yeah I believe so. I remember she was using the red and gold phoenix outfit and she only had TP that time

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    @sky_fire said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @shebba said:

    Magneto did destroyed Apocalypse weather dream or not. He did destroy him and I don't think Magneto destroying Apocalypse has nothing to do with Scarlet or dream. He destroyed him period. And what make ya think Magneto can't defeat him? Strange because he had defeated many threats and many powerful beings and none has nothing to do with Scarlet reality or dream. Sorry but I don't think so.

    Whether dream or not? If it was a dream it certainly doesn't count for anything. It had everything to do with Scarlet Witch because she is responsible for HOM, and HOM was not real as even Rachel could see through it to the real reality beneath it. Maybe because if he did it in HOM that wasn't the real Apocalypse anyway, just like the Magik of HOM turned out not to be the real one resurrected, only a construct, as Belasco found out when he kidnapped the X-kids trying to find her. Apocalypse had been dead for a while before HOM. What makes us think he can't defeat him is him never legitimately defeating him. So far the only X-Men in 616 that have been able to actually beat and kill him were Jean and Cable when they beat and killed him to save Cyclops.

    Oh no. He did beats him either dream or not. I think that's the point here.

    No that is not the point and as I said if it wasn't even the real Apocalypse it doesn't count for anything.

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    Jean, Cable, perhaps Nate or Rachel Grey could potentially take Apocalypse out by themselves, at the height of their realized potential. Magik probably has a very good chance after she masters all aspects of her powers (but she kind of trumps everyone since her powers give her so many options). Iceman can potentially take this, as well, if Bobby had a smarter person advising him on what to do.

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    emma frost but she will seduce him first because thats what emma does and no man can say no to her.....:P

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    @sky_fire said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @shebba said:

    Magneto did destroyed Apocalypse weather dream or not. He did destroy him and I don't think Magneto destroying Apocalypse has nothing to do with Scarlet or dream. He destroyed him period. And what make ya think Magneto can't defeat him? Strange because he had defeated many threats and many powerful beings and none has nothing to do with Scarlet reality or dream. Sorry but I don't think so.

    Whether dream or not? If it was a dream it certainly doesn't count for anything. It had everything to do with Scarlet Witch because she is responsible for HOM, and HOM was not real as even Rachel could see through it to the real reality beneath it. Maybe because if he did it in HOM that wasn't the real Apocalypse anyway, just like the Magik of HOM turned out not to be the real one resurrected, only a construct, as Belasco found out when he kidnapped the X-kids trying to find her. Apocalypse had been dead for a while before HOM. What makes us think he can't defeat him is him never legitimately defeating him. So far the only X-Men in 616 that have been able to actually beat and kill him were Jean and Cable when they beat and killed him to save Cyclops.

    Oh no. He did beats him either dream or not. I think that's the point here.

    No that is not the point and as I said if it wasn't even the real Apocalypse it doesn't count for anything.

    Maybe in your dream it doesn't

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    @sky_fire said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @sky_fire said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @shebba said:

    Magneto did destroyed Apocalypse weather dream or not. He did destroy him and I don't think Magneto destroying Apocalypse has nothing to do with Scarlet or dream. He destroyed him period. And what make ya think Magneto can't defeat him? Strange because he had defeated many threats and many powerful beings and none has nothing to do with Scarlet reality or dream. Sorry but I don't think so.

    Whether dream or not? If it was a dream it certainly doesn't count for anything. It had everything to do with Scarlet Witch because she is responsible for HOM, and HOM was not real as even Rachel could see through it to the real reality beneath it. Maybe because if he did it in HOM that wasn't the real Apocalypse anyway, just like the Magik of HOM turned out not to be the real one resurrected, only a construct, as Belasco found out when he kidnapped the X-kids trying to find her. Apocalypse had been dead for a while before HOM. What makes us think he can't defeat him is him never legitimately defeating him. So far the only X-Men in 616 that have been able to actually beat and kill him were Jean and Cable when they beat and killed him to save Cyclops.

    Oh no. He did beats him either dream or not. I think that's the point here.

    No that is not the point and as I said if it wasn't even the real Apocalypse it doesn't count for anything.

    Maybe in your dream it doesn't

    Dreams are the opposite of reality, so if Magneto killed a fake Apocalypse in a reality that was shaped by one of his childs dreaming his dream reality fueled by his other childs borrowed power, that all turned out to not be real, then it does not count at all. If dreams count as reality, I challenge you to dream you can fly under your own power without help outside of your own will, then I need you to wake up and do it, by it I mean fly. Then we can prove that dreams and reality are the same within the context of this argument. If you respond I'll know you failed to fly and I am right, if you don't respond I'll assume I'm still right because you either died or are in the hospital, either way you didn't fly unless you found a way to harness power that all the rest of dreamers cannot.

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    A fully powered Magik in Darkchilde mode or in Limbo, Nate, maybe Bobby, Legion, What happens if Warlock infects him with the virus? Danger? She's pretty underrated.

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    @chiq said:

    A fully powered Magik in Darkchilde mode or in Limbo, Nate, maybe Bobby, Legion, What happens if Warlock infects him with the virus? Danger? She's pretty underrated.

    Apocalypse is a techno-organic being in his own right, I don't think Warlock would get that far if all he has to offer is a virus that Apocalypse seems to already have and can control.

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    #38  Edited By Sky_Fire

    @sky_fire said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @sky_fire said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @shebba said:

    Magneto did destroyed Apocalypse weather dream or not. He did destroy him and I don't think Magneto destroying Apocalypse has nothing to do with Scarlet or dream. He destroyed him period. And what make ya think Magneto can't defeat him? Strange because he had defeated many threats and many powerful beings and none has nothing to do with Scarlet reality or dream. Sorry but I don't think so.

    Whether dream or not? If it was a dream it certainly doesn't count for anything. It had everything to do with Scarlet Witch because she is responsible for HOM, and HOM was not real as even Rachel could see through it to the real reality beneath it. Maybe because if he did it in HOM that wasn't the real Apocalypse anyway, just like the Magik of HOM turned out not to be the real one resurrected, only a construct, as Belasco found out when he kidnapped the X-kids trying to find her. Apocalypse had been dead for a while before HOM. What makes us think he can't defeat him is him never legitimately defeating him. So far the only X-Men in 616 that have been able to actually beat and kill him were Jean and Cable when they beat and killed him to save Cyclops.

    Oh no. He did beats him either dream or not. I think that's the point here.

    No that is not the point and as I said if it wasn't even the real Apocalypse it doesn't count for anything.

    Maybe in your dream it doesn't

    Dreams are the opposite of reality, so if Magneto killed a fake Apocalypse in a reality that was shaped by one of his childs dreaming his dream reality fueled by his other childs borrowed power, that all turned out to not be real, then it does not count at all. If dreams count as reality, I challenge you to dream you can fly under your own power without help outside of your own will, then I need you to wake up and do it, by it I mean fly. Then we can prove that dreams and reality are the same within the context of this argument. If you respond I'll know you failed to fly and I am right, if you don't respond I'll assume I'm still right because you either died or are in the hospital, either way you didn't fly unless you found a way to harness power that all the rest of dreamers cannot.

    Dream or not he still beats him. I think none of this have anything to do with dreams. Like I say, maybe in your dreaaaaaaam.

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    @sky_fire said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @sky_fire said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @sky_fire said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @shebba said:

    Magneto did destroyed Apocalypse weather dream or not. He did destroy him and I don't think Magneto destroying Apocalypse has nothing to do with Scarlet or dream. He destroyed him period. And what make ya think Magneto can't defeat him? Strange because he had defeated many threats and many powerful beings and none has nothing to do with Scarlet reality or dream. Sorry but I don't think so.

    Whether dream or not? If it was a dream it certainly doesn't count for anything. It had everything to do with Scarlet Witch because she is responsible for HOM, and HOM was not real as even Rachel could see through it to the real reality beneath it. Maybe because if he did it in HOM that wasn't the real Apocalypse anyway, just like the Magik of HOM turned out not to be the real one resurrected, only a construct, as Belasco found out when he kidnapped the X-kids trying to find her. Apocalypse had been dead for a while before HOM. What makes us think he can't defeat him is him never legitimately defeating him. So far the only X-Men in 616 that have been able to actually beat and kill him were Jean and Cable when they beat and killed him to save Cyclops.

    Oh no. He did beats him either dream or not. I think that's the point here.

    No that is not the point and as I said if it wasn't even the real Apocalypse it doesn't count for anything.

    Maybe in your dream it doesn't

    Dreams are the opposite of reality, so if Magneto killed a fake Apocalypse in a reality that was shaped by one of his childs dreaming his dream reality fueled by his other childs borrowed power, that all turned out to not be real, then it does not count at all. If dreams count as reality, I challenge you to dream you can fly under your own power without help outside of your own will, then I need you to wake up and do it, by it I mean fly. Then we can prove that dreams and reality are the same within the context of this argument. If you respond I'll know you failed to fly and I am right, if you don't respond I'll assume I'm still right because you either died or are in the hospital, either way you didn't fly unless you found a way to harness power that all the rest of dreamers cannot.

    Dream or not he still beats him. I think none of this have anything to do with dreams. Like I say, maybe in your dreaaaaaaam.

    That reality was a fake, that Apocalypse was a fake. Magneto did not do anything to Apocalypse he defeated a conjuration of an insanity fueled reality warp that was created based on the thoughts of others. It was not real. You not understanding the dream analogy is your problem.

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    @sky_fire said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @sky_fire said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @sky_fire said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @shebba said:

    Magneto did destroyed Apocalypse weather dream or not. He did destroy him and I don't think Magneto destroying Apocalypse has nothing to do with Scarlet or dream. He destroyed him period. And what make ya think Magneto can't defeat him? Strange because he had defeated many threats and many powerful beings and none has nothing to do with Scarlet reality or dream. Sorry but I don't think so.

    Whether dream or not? If it was a dream it certainly doesn't count for anything. It had everything to do with Scarlet Witch because she is responsible for HOM, and HOM was not real as even Rachel could see through it to the real reality beneath it. Maybe because if he did it in HOM that wasn't the real Apocalypse anyway, just like the Magik of HOM turned out not to be the real one resurrected, only a construct, as Belasco found out when he kidnapped the X-kids trying to find her. Apocalypse had been dead for a while before HOM. What makes us think he can't defeat him is him never legitimately defeating him. So far the only X-Men in 616 that have been able to actually beat and kill him were Jean and Cable when they beat and killed him to save Cyclops.

    Oh no. He did beats him either dream or not. I think that's the point here.

    No that is not the point and as I said if it wasn't even the real Apocalypse it doesn't count for anything.

    Maybe in your dream it doesn't

    Dreams are the opposite of reality, so if Magneto killed a fake Apocalypse in a reality that was shaped by one of his childs dreaming his dream reality fueled by his other childs borrowed power, that all turned out to not be real, then it does not count at all. If dreams count as reality, I challenge you to dream you can fly under your own power without help outside of your own will, then I need you to wake up and do it, by it I mean fly. Then we can prove that dreams and reality are the same within the context of this argument. If you respond I'll know you failed to fly and I am right, if you don't respond I'll assume I'm still right because you either died or are in the hospital, either way you didn't fly unless you found a way to harness power that all the rest of dreamers cannot.

    Dream or not he still beats him. I think none of this have anything to do with dreams. Like I say, maybe in your dreaaaaaaam.

    That reality was a fake, that Apocalypse was a fake. Magneto did not do anything to Apocalypse he defeated a conjuration of an insanity fueled reality warp that was created based on the thoughts of others. It was not real. You not understanding the dream analogy is your problem.

    I take it like you're trying to rewrite Magneto. He defeated PERIOD. On panel and not a dreaaaaaaaaam.

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    Didn't Magneto do it once?

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    Didn't Magneto do it once?

    AOA Magneto did it, 616 Magneto never did it, during HOM he defeated a fake Apocalypse conjured by his daughter in a world that was built for him to rule specifically. I say fake Apocalypse because the real one was dead during HOM and Belasco proved that any beings that were dead prior to HOM that showed up in HOM were not really resurrected but constructs created by Wanda.

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    @transformers1024 said:

    Didn't Magneto do it once?

    AOA Magneto did it, 616 Magneto never did it, during HOM he defeated a fake Apocalypse conjured by his daughter in a world that was built for him to rule specifically. I say fake Apocalypse because the real one was dead during HOM and Belasco proved that any beings that were dead prior to HOM that showed up in HOM were not really resurrected but constructs created by Wanda.

    I think you're missing the point. The point is he did it. You can't change that when he did no matter the universe. Apocalypse wasn't fake at all. Who you think you're fooling?

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    @lordofallhumans said:

    @transformers1024 said:

    Didn't Magneto do it once?

    AOA Magneto did it, 616 Magneto never did it, during HOM he defeated a fake Apocalypse conjured by his daughter in a world that was built for him to rule specifically. I say fake Apocalypse because the real one was dead during HOM and Belasco proved that any beings that were dead prior to HOM that showed up in HOM were not really resurrected but constructs created by Wanda.

    I think you're missing the point. The point is he did it. You can't change that when he did no matter the universe. Apocalypse wasn't fake at all. Who you think you're fooling?

    I'm not missing the point because you don't have one troll, he did not do it because that was not Apocalypse, just like Wolverine didn't kill Magneto, because it wasn't really Magneto it was Zorn. Killing imposters and fakes is not the same thing as killing the real one. Apocalypse was dead during HOM, defeated by Jean Grey and Cable, no mutant was actually resurrected by Wanda, Belasco proved it when he was looking for Illyana.

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    @shadowofthelight said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @transformers1024 said:

    Didn't Magneto do it once?

    AOA Magneto did it, 616 Magneto never did it, during HOM he defeated a fake Apocalypse conjured by his daughter in a world that was built for him to rule specifically. I say fake Apocalypse because the real one was dead during HOM and Belasco proved that any beings that were dead prior to HOM that showed up in HOM were not really resurrected but constructs created by Wanda.

    I think you're missing the point. The point is he did it. You can't change that when he did no matter the universe. Apocalypse wasn't fake at all. Who you think you're fooling?

    I'm not missing the point because you don't have one troll, he did not do it because that was not Apocalypse, just like Wolverine didn't kill Magneto, because it wasn't really Magneto it was Zorn. Killing imposters and fakes is not the same thing as killing the real one. Apocalypse was dead during HOM, defeated by Jean Grey and Cable, no mutant was actually resurrected by Wanda, Belasco proved it when he was looking for Illyana.

    he defeated him in 2 alternate reality so cut the bull with dream LMAO

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    @lordofallhumans said:

    @shadowofthelight said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @transformers1024 said:

    Didn't Magneto do it once?

    AOA Magneto did it, 616 Magneto never did it, during HOM he defeated a fake Apocalypse conjured by his daughter in a world that was built for him to rule specifically. I say fake Apocalypse because the real one was dead during HOM and Belasco proved that any beings that were dead prior to HOM that showed up in HOM were not really resurrected but constructs created by Wanda.

    I think you're missing the point. The point is he did it. You can't change that when he did no matter the universe. Apocalypse wasn't fake at all. Who you think you're fooling?

    I'm not missing the point because you don't have one troll, he did not do it because that was not Apocalypse, just like Wolverine didn't kill Magneto, because it wasn't really Magneto it was Zorn. Killing imposters and fakes is not the same thing as killing the real one. Apocalypse was dead during HOM, defeated by Jean Grey and Cable, no mutant was actually resurrected by Wanda, Belasco proved it when he was looking for Illyana.

    he defeated him in 2 alternate reality so cut the bull with dream LMAO

    And discussions on these boards are about 616 versions unless stated to included other versions, so in the context of this thread those defeats don't count and I mentioned him killing him in an alternate reality but never doing it in 616.

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    @shadowofthelight said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @shadowofthelight said:

    @lordofallhumans said:

    @transformers1024 said:

    Didn't Magneto do it once?

    AOA Magneto did it, 616 Magneto never did it, during HOM he defeated a fake Apocalypse conjured by his daughter in a world that was built for him to rule specifically. I say fake Apocalypse because the real one was dead during HOM and Belasco proved that any beings that were dead prior to HOM that showed up in HOM were not really resurrected but constructs created by Wanda.

    I think you're missing the point. The point is he did it. You can't change that when he did no matter the universe. Apocalypse wasn't fake at all. Who you think you're fooling?

    I'm not missing the point because you don't have one troll, he did not do it because that was not Apocalypse, just like Wolverine didn't kill Magneto, because it wasn't really Magneto it was Zorn. Killing imposters and fakes is not the same thing as killing the real one. Apocalypse was dead during HOM, defeated by Jean Grey and Cable, no mutant was actually resurrected by Wanda, Belasco proved it when he was looking for Illyana.

    he defeated him in 2 alternate reality so cut the bull with dream LMAO

    And discussions on these boards are about 616 versions unless stated to included other versions, so in the context of this thread those defeats don't count and I mentioned him killing him in an alternate reality but never doing it in 616.

    and he will still beat him.

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    From X men line up I see Iceman has a chance.

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    Nate Grey's powers are diminished just saying.

    yeah they are but Im referring to when he was not depowered as he is most known in that manner :)

    That's sad. When and how did he lose his powers? How much powerful is he now?

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