Avengers vs. X-men is going to just be ignored the moment Bendis stops writing the X-men. Bendis's run itself is going to be ignored entirely once the next writer wraps up whatever place Bendis leaves the book in. I can't see Bendis doing anything that any future writers will wish to build on.

@loki100 said:

Avengers vs. X-men is going to just be ignored the moment Bendis stops writing the X-men. Bendis's run itself is going to be ignored entirely once the next writer wraps up whatever place Bendis leaves the book in. I can't see Bendis doing anything that any future writers will wish to build on.

I like this.

when the O5 return to the past

@Rabbitearsblog said:

@loki100 said:

Avengers vs. X-men is going to just be ignored the moment Bendis stops writing the X-men. Bendis's run itself is going to be ignored entirely once the next writer wraps up whatever place Bendis leaves the book in. I can't see Bendis doing anything that any future writers will wish to build on.

Yeah, I can't really see any future writers having any interest in writing stories about the X-Men in the past coming to the future.

unless they stick around and become the new status quo. hey, it could happen; they decide they're done with whatever they're doing here now, Beast takes them into the past again only to find that they're from a timeline where Reed Richards never stopped Galactus and now they have no home and the Beast is actually justified in having snatched them in the first place. Anything could happen.

@Rabbitearsblog said:

@dangallant984 said:

@Rabbitearsblog said:

@loki100 said:

Avengers vs. X-men is going to just be ignored the moment Bendis stops writing the X-men. Bendis's run itself is going to be ignored entirely once the next writer wraps up whatever place Bendis leaves the book in. I can't see Bendis doing anything that any future writers will wish to build on.

Yeah, I can't really see any future writers having any interest in writing stories about the X-Men in the past coming to the future.

unless they stick around and become the new status quo. hey, it could happen; they decide they're done with whatever they're doing here now, Beast takes them into the past again only to find that they're from a timeline where Reed Richards never stopped Galactus and now they have no home and the Beast is actually justified in having snatched them in the first place. Anything could happen.

Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel allowed something like this to happen and they did say that the original 5 were going to be staying around for awhile. I wonder if they will stay in the universe like Rachel Grey and Hope Summers, even though they were from the future? Although, it would be kind of awkward now to have two groups of the original 5 staying in the same universe.

I honestly don't see the O5 staying. I mean, they have to go back sometime in order to not seriously mess up the space-time continuum.

@Rabbitearsblog: well, more like the young O5 and three original members: I wouldn't really count Archangel at this point. and Cyclops is doing his own thing anyway. I kinda like how with Beast and Iceman they alredy feel like their own teen sidekicks.

@tomchu: no, they don't.

@dangallant984: Do tell how does that work?

The O5 should just go. Period. Redundant detritus cluttering continuity with paramount irrelevance, acting as if they even need to be here and that their combined presences followed by 60s naivete, will actually make a difference. Lol no.

Just go away.

@tomchu: they're from an alternate universe. We've already seen that Beast doesn't go to the moment that happened in the X-men #8, because if it was the same exact moment, it would have had the same exact dialogue, which it does not.

@dangallant984: Oh right. That's awfully cheap, pulling the whole Alternate Universe thing. But yeah, it does make sense...

@Rabbitearsblog said:

@tomchu said:

@Rabbitearsblog said:

@dangallant984 said:

@Rabbitearsblog said:

@loki100 said:

Avengers vs. X-men is going to just be ignored the moment Bendis stops writing the X-men. Bendis's run itself is going to be ignored entirely once the next writer wraps up whatever place Bendis leaves the book in. I can't see Bendis doing anything that any future writers will wish to build on.

Yeah, I can't really see any future writers having any interest in writing stories about the X-Men in the past coming to the future.

unless they stick around and become the new status quo. hey, it could happen; they decide they're done with whatever they're doing here now, Beast takes them into the past again only to find that they're from a timeline where Reed Richards never stopped Galactus and now they have no home and the Beast is actually justified in having snatched them in the first place. Anything could happen.

Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel allowed something like this to happen and they did say that the original 5 were going to be staying around for awhile. I wonder if they will stay in the universe like Rachel Grey and Hope Summers, even though they were from the future? Although, it would be kind of awkward now to have two groups of the original 5 staying in the same universe.

I honestly don't see the O5 staying. I mean, they have to go back sometime in order to not seriously mess up the space-time continuum.

I'm wondering about that too. It would seem so strange to have two Cyclops, two Beasts, etc existing in the same world. I wonder how the stories would be like from then on and would it come to a day where they would replace the current X-Men?

@dangallant984:

If I think about it, they cant be from Alternate Universes, because in All New X-Men #5 when Wolverine suggested whether they should kill Cyclops, he justified it by saying the Professor X would *spontaneously* appear, because no Cyclops = no Xavier death in AvX.

Then again, no Cyclops = Here Comes Tomorrow in Grant Morrison's New X-Men, so killing Cyclops would be kinda stupid (unless someone retconned GM's dystopian future away).

@tomchu: and yet they must be. The scene that occurs in the X-men #8 is the 616 universe, that the dialogue in the scene from All New X-men #1 is different at all, prior to the O5 making contact with Beast, means that this is not really the past of the Beast who has travelled there from the present, because his past is the 616 version of events. That's already happened.

2) I don't have any reason to think that the Wolerine is speaking from any voice of authority on how space-time actually works, even if he is being serious in his threats, he couldn't have ruled out that someone else might have killed Xavier had it not been for the existence of Cyclops as one of his allies for all those years, could he?

3) even if he could, it doesn't matter because I don't think Wolverine would have killed Scott in that scene anyway. I think this is Wolverine making a point to try and scare Scott. Would he actually kill a kid? on the front lawn of his School? Watch Storm in this scene; she doesn't step in until Wolverine has made his point, and only because she doesn't agree with how he made it. It's classic good cop/bad cop.

4) there's no need to retcon stories set in the future, because they haven't happened yet. In a way, they literally never do.

@dangallant984:

1) Alternate Dimension Timeline Time-travel... brain hurting. Lets see with Brian Michael Bendis cooks up for us.

2) I don't know. Wolverine's comment then becomes redundant right? Bad writing I guess.

3) http://www.comicvine.com/x-men/65-3173/why-is-wolverine-okay-with-killing-kids/92-740386/#49

There's a heated debate somewhere on the vine for this.

4) Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

@tomchu:

1) haha! okay..

2) well, I read it as though the point of his comment is to effect Scott more than anything, so I don't think so.

3) oh yeah; if you read through that thread, you'll see that I already voiced my understanding of this topic.

4) yeah. but I like that, because it means any of them could happen, and how that might effect how things unfold in whatever stories they set in the present, without being definitive.

Something I'm surprised no one has mentioned is that if/when the O5 go back to their own time, All New X-men could continue to follow their story from that point on, essentially serving as a soft reboot (in at least that title). It wouldn't surprise me at all if that's what they ended up doing..

I don't think Marvel is going to do any whole sale retcons of anything, but as stories and plot ideas are explored different twists and ideas get explored. Reciently one of the results of Avengers vs X-Men is that there are new mutants in the world but they did not undo the M-Day event so mutants that were depowered were not repowered but others that had the mutant gene but their powers had not yet manifested have started to emerge. This was a way aroung M-Day without retconing it. I prefer this method of change in comics rathen than abandoning something cause the writers feel constrained by the past, cough cough DC.

@Rabbitearsblog said:

@dangallant984 said:

Something I'm surprised no one has mentioned is that if/when the O5 go back to their own time, All New X-men could continue to follow their story from that point on, essentially serving as a soft reboot (in at least that title). It wouldn't surprise me at all if that's what they ended up doing..

Do you mean that the stories will just follow the O5 when they go back to their timeline and the X-Men universe will start over from there?

Well, an X-men universe will start from there. I don't see any reason to completely ditch the 616 X-men from their own books, but for the All New X-men to go back and begin again from where they were, but changed.

@HopesummersFORtheFUTURE said:

the dark phoenix saga where phoenix posing as jean doesnt kill 5 billion people

yeah, that sort of thing for example. Given the foresight, maybe Jean could help defeat the Phoenix, or whatever.