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    The X-Men are a superhero team of mutants founded by Professor Charles Xavier. They are dedicated to helping fellow mutants and sworn to protect a world that fears and hates them.

    What if? Magneto Xavier

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    What if, somehow Magneto and Xavier swap. So Magneto gets Xaviers middle class up bringing whilst Xavier becomes witness to the horrific nazi camps.

    Do you think Xavier would become hell bent on killing the human race and would he succeed with his mind abilities? Would Magneto fight to stop him in this say alternate universe?

    By the way, I had a little look for this kind of storyline with no luck so if anyone knows of something like this please reveal!

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    @mayfiz said:

    What if, somehow Magneto and Xavier swap. So Magneto gets Xaviers middle class up bringing whilst Xavier becomes witness to the horrific nazi camps.

    Do you think Xavier would become hell bent on killing the human race and would he succeed with his mind abilities? Would Magneto fight to stop him in this say alternate universe?

    By the way, I had a little look for this kind of storyline with no luck so if anyone knows of something like this please reveal!

    something I think is worth mentioning about Xavier's perspective is that it's pretty intrinsically linked with his power of telepathy; this gives him a super-human capacity for empathy, making him able to see the good in everyone, including Magneto. Seeing everyone's memories made him able to even empathize with a deranged killer like Sabertooth, because he could experience the trauma that his violence was born of. Even many of Xavier's moral transgressions, like wiping away people's memories, was often done to spare those individuals from the suffering of their experiences.

    I don't know how Xavier's perspective would change had he lived through the kind of trauma that Magneto had, but I daresay that without Xavier's perspective or his own traumatic experiences, I have a hard time seeing Magneto being a hero or a villain. He may have simply been a completely selfish individual, more along the lines of the Hellfire Club members.

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    Onslaught would be even cooler

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    @oldnightcrawler: Defintaly agree with you on it being hard to see Magneto become villain nor hero, even with a decent childhood in this universe being born in Xaviers shoes. Think he would more than likely go to seek out his own kind though.

    Xavier though, that's what makes it interesting. With his telepathic abilities still not fully under control, what would he see and feel? His empathy wouldn't be able to understand why an army of men are killing men, women and children. And if he does see inside of some heads with his ability developing, does it anger him what he sees and feels? If so, how dangerous would an Xavier with Magneto type goals be?

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    It varies in my opinion based on how soon Xavier gets his powers. If its like Magneto where he gets it little by little before finally unveiling gaining them at full power....well then we have to potential situations. The first is Xavier losses all hope in humanitynand becomes worst then Magneto. Being able to read the minds of, or pick up random things from people about to do terrible things to people around you and then still being helpless to stop it would make him hate everyone. Just imagine hearing a Nazi soldier think about how they don't want to execute these people but still end up doing it despite the screams and pleas of the people. Xavier could give up any hope. And unlike Magneto who just makes up this idea that mutants are more enlightened then humans because there "evolved", Xavier knows the truth....that there's no difference between mutants and humans when it comes to violence.

    And then there's option 2. Xavier retreats into himself. We've seen it before, as strong as Xavier is and as many shady things as he's done a twisted mind or the suffering of many almost painfully exhaust him. Experiencing a horrific event one day at a time everyday with people both near and far suffering and dying in your head....it would break him. We've seen what happens when a young psychic like Jean experienced the death of a single friend in her mind, now compare that to Xavier in a setting like WW2 Germany. He may just breakdown and never make it pass the events.

    Mags on the other hand is hard to buckle down. I don't see him as being a game changer, because this is a guy who even after the war was going to just settle down with his family. He's driven to act out for mutants because of his need to protect a vulnerable people like he was unable to do before, and his need to separate himself from his abusers. Magneto without any of that motivation has no reason to be a leader, or even a soldier in this war.

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    @oldnightcrawler: Defintaly agree with you on it being hard to see Magneto become villain nor hero, even with a decent childhood in this universe being born in Xaviers shoes. Think he would more than likely go to seek out his own kind though.

    Xavier though, that's what makes it interesting. With his telepathic abilities still not fully under control, what would he see and feel? His empathy wouldn't be able to understand why an army of men are killing men, women and children. And if he does see inside of some heads with his ability developing, does it anger him what he sees and feels? If so, how dangerous would an Xavier with Magneto type goals be?

    Xavier with Magneto's goals? no contest. Magneto didn't overthrow humanity because Xavier stopped him, and, in the comics, if Xavier hadn't, someone else would. Xavier didn't overthrow humanity because he didn't want to. If he had wanted to, who would stop him? I mean, really?

    Basically, Magneto wanted to overthrow humanity because he thought he was better than them, and Xavier didn't wanted to save humanity because he thought he was better than them.

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    Mags on the other hand is hard to buckle down. I don't see him as being a game changer, because this is a guy who even after the war was going to just settle down with his family. He's driven to act out for mutants because of his need to protect a vulnerable people like he was unable to do before, and his need to separate himself from his abusers. Magneto without any of that motivation has no reason to be a leader, or even a soldier in this war.

    totally agree.

    Lee and Kirby may have invented Magneto, but it was Claremont that made him the most important character. His character motivation is definitely the best in all of X-men; it's up there with Spider-man or Batman, but maybe even more so.

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    @koays said:

    Mags on the other hand is hard to buckle down. I don't see him as being a game changer, because this is a guy who even after the war was going to just settle down with his family. He's driven to act out for mutants because of his need to protect a vulnerable people like he was unable to do before, and his need to separate himself from his abusers. Magneto without any of that motivation has no reason to be a leader, or even a soldier in this war.

    totally agree.

    Lee and Kirby may have invented Magneto, but it was Claremont that made him the most important character. His character motivation is definitely the best in all of X-men; it's up there with Spider-man or Batman, but maybe even more so.

    Oh yea i honestly don't even see any long standing X-character that's comparable to the depths of his motivation (early Rachel?), the only downside possibly being how entrenched it is to a historical event... But the level of significance it holds to the characters actions (past and future) when looked at through a scope and how drastically different he would be without that weight....well honestly even Spiderman arguably wouls've been a hero, and Bruce Wayne a member of family that shapes his city...but Magneto without the holocaust or loss of his family, is just some old dude playing with paper clips and smoking a pipe

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    Unless, in this universe, Magnetos mother never dies. He gets to have a relationship with her and other family. Until, Xavier now a little older kills a larger number of humans including Magnetos mother, which in return sparks Mags to take revenge on Xavier.

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