@outside_85: Everyone including Hope wanted her to meet the Phoenix at one point. And even more then that he didn't even try to force the meeting. More then that he kept the Phoenix a secret from her for a long period after she arrived.

Yes but splintering the time line causes problems and as a result of people doing just that, the O5 can't go back. You could say he didn't know but that just points out how reckless a move it was.

And he should show regret or at least acknowledgement of any of the actions that he's done in the past before he makes these decisions. He never does...no one ever does. Beast is like a saint as far as the x-men are concerned.

-Hypocrisy

Guilty - Hank has had it out for Scott ever since the torture under Dark Beast. He claimed later that everyone else always suffers for Scotts decision, never Scott. This is factually incorrect since during Astonishing Scott directly plans for himself to get captured by Ord, knowing he will be tortured, and that the rest of the X-men wont be able to immediately save him, instead having to wait until the time was right. One can understand Hanks anger, as unlike him Scott knew what was coming and volunteered for it, but to claim Scott doesn't suffer is wrong. The major case of Hypocrisy in action I find is without question the O5. The entire case against Scott in AvX is about how he recklessly is willing to use to wildcard that is the Phoenix force to save the mutant race....Hank views Scotts actions post AvX as wrong. So in a desperate attempt to change his course (or to simply punish Scott more for what he has done/become), he goes into the past to get the O5. This is literally the SAME EXACT ISSUE....both Scott and Hank believed something was coming (Mutant revival, Mutant genocide), both see one desperate option (Phoenix force, slap scott in the face with a young him and young Jean). The difference is Scott literally had no other options left as all attempts at scientific or mystical solutions had failed, and that the issue at hand was real vs predicted (mutants WERE going to be extinct, this was fact....the potential for a Mutant genocide was something Hank thought would result from present Scotts revolution.

- Arrogance

Guilty - Hank makes all of his decisions on his own with no consultation from anyone. This all ties into the hypocrisy, but in addition to the torture issues part of his problem with Scott were all the secrets being kept among those in charge at Utopia. Yet there he is opening up portals to the past and bringing the O5 into the present under false pretenses. He thinks this is a good idea, so its going to happen and damn the consequences

- Being immune to consequences

Guilty - speaking of consequences....does being scolded count? Because that's basically all Hank has received from breaking the time stream. He has received stern talks from basically everyone over this decision, including present Scott who calls him out on the hypocrisy, and past Scott who calls him out on lying about the genocide. But in terms of real consequences, not really. He still teaches at the school and everyone there still trusts him, though he still gets comments from time to time.

- Recklessness

Guilty - The O5 seal the deal on this charge by themselves. At least with the phoenix issues there was a real threat at hand and all other options had been tried and failed. This was Hank thinking something MIGHT happen, then thinking the only way to fix this potential problem was to snatch the O5 from the past...not even considering what to do with them once they got their beyond..."Look how bad things are, im not going to tell you how things got here...but I will tell Scott to not do anything that might turn you into that guy"....also "present Scott, look how innocent you were when you were 13, why aren't you like that anymore?"

- Becoming/Being a bad character/person

Innocent - for all his flaws...Hank isn't a bad guy or character. Just a flawed one. He has allowed his personal issues to cloud what he does and is taking greater risks than what is necessary. The best case I can make for showing how he is not a bad person is in the middle of AvX after the Phoenix 5 arrived on earth. They had so far done nothing except end hunger, thirst, power shortage, and other issues...the Avengers were plotting ways to stop/kill them, and Hank said no. Despite his issues with Scott, he was still one of his oldest friends. In his own words: "Right now, my friends, people I have known my entire life - are finally remaking this planet into a place that is finally tolerable. A world we can all live in. and I sit here in a room with earths mightiest heroes trying to concoct a plan to stop and possibly kill them. No more gentleman."

And even when Scott has lost control, Hank still tries to reason with him. Hank and Scott are not close right now, I would even say that Hank hates present Scott, but he doesn't want him dead. He just has a very different view of the way things are right now and the best way to move forward. He see's scotts method as potentially destructive and want to prevent things from getting worse now that they are finally getting better. His intentions at the very least are good, again, he is just allowing his personal feelings to influence his decision making.

Cyke wouldn't need to force a meeting, firstly because he couldn't go to it, and when he was alerted to it, it was heading back towards Earth. And if Cyke wasn't going to force her to do anything, why did she run when AvX started? The X-Men were more than capable of keeping the Avengers away from her.

How was it a reckless move when the FF travels time every second week as part of the family Sunday drive? The machine used was one of Doom's and the X-Men is practically littered with characters from other timelines. How exactly is he anymore reckless than any of the others, when the strain on time has only now been shown to be real? Especially since it only appeared after 2 more teams came back through time?

And what exactly does he have to feel regret over? Dancing to Cyclops' tune for longer than he wanted to? Or for not lobbing Cyke's head off before he killed Xavier and nearly tore the planet apart?

The timeline was already jacked up way before Beast messed with it. If you're gonna want them to randomly call out Beast then they're gonna have to go after every character who's crossed from a different time stream over into the 616 reality because they also screwed it as well by just being there. Removing Beast from the Illuminati and replacing him with Rachel or Emma would make no sense at all. For one, Emma is currently an outlaw and besides being a telepath she doesn't bring anything to the group. Rachel being in the group makes no sense seeing how the group is currently pulling up planets and doing things that require you to put the Earth first. Rachel had a hard time with them possibly killing Karima along with Arkea. I doubt she'd be fine with blowing up alternate worlds. If anything she'd attempt to stop them and just cause even more problems.

Hank, Tony, and Reed all specialize in different science departments plus Beast represents the mutant population and is somebody who's already done and made some difficult decisions in the past. He's also less likely to get cold feet at this point in the game.

Guilty of the crime.

I legitimately don't know why she ran away. But it doesn't have anything to do with Cyclops being a danger to her. Over the course of an issue, Hope went from curious about the phoenix to nervous about it and then to eventually to seeking it out herself. During the course of that change of perspective Cyclops wasn't near her, and his actions were to protect her like they would be if the Avengers came for anyone else.

If your argument is that Time Travel is safe, and the reasons he did it were justified, then we won't ever agree. And if you don't think he was wrong in doing that or the letter then of course you don't think he needs to feel regret. Though I still think that some acknowledgement of his behavior needs to be done in story.

It has to do with 2 dozen people, one dozen which Cyclops leads, is pushing her into doing and being something she doesn't want. And returning to the Phoenix, how many dead girlfriends and extinguished stars does it have to leave behind before Cyke realizes it's not a thing anyone can control for any length of time? Cyclops' intentions was to expose her to this in the hope she'd grant them all their dreams and wishes, and maybe not burn the world to a crisp that day.

No, I am saying that Hank is amongst the smartest people on the planet, and not he, or any of those smarter than him, noticed or realized time travel was actually damaging (which it apparently wasn't until that story showed up) before now. Reckless is doing something you know is dangerous to one self and others, ala Magik nearly having the Elder Gods breach Limbo or Cyke for inviting the Phoenix over.

Why was it wrong to warn her against Cyclops? He sent a team into the future knowing that they were unlikely to return, including a girl the same age as Hope, and Hope had to watch Cable die in front of her because of that gamble. Cyclops is a man focused on one thing: the survival and protection of mutants, and for a good long time he hasn't cared how many lives he has to sacrifice to make it so. Which makes him Marvels version of this guy:

@xspectre28: Your Uatu joke takes on a life of its own after todays All New X-Men.

@outside_85 said:

@koays said:

I legitimately don't know why she ran away. But it doesn't have anything to do with Cyclops being a danger to her. Over the course of an issue, Hope went from curious about the phoenix to nervous about it and then to eventually to seeking it out herself. During the course of that change of perspective Cyclops wasn't near her, and his actions were to protect her like they would be if the Avengers came for anyone else.

If your argument is that Time Travel is safe, and the reasons he did it were justified, then we won't ever agree. And if you don't think he was wrong in doing that or the letter then of course you don't think he needs to feel regret. Though I still think that some acknowledgement of his behavior needs to be done in story.

It has to do with 2 dozen people, one dozen which Cyclops leads, is pushing her into doing and being something she doesn't want. And returning to the Phoenix, how many dead girlfriends and extinguished stars does it have to leave behind before Cyke realizes it's not a thing anyone can control for any length of time? Cyclops' intentions was to expose her to this in the hope she'd grant them all their dreams and wishes, and maybe not burn the world to a crisp that day.

No, I am saying that Hank is amongst the smartest people on the planet, and not he, or any of those smarter than him, noticed or realized time travel was actually damaging (which it apparently wasn't until that story showed up) before now. Reckless is doing something you know is dangerous to one self and others, ala Magik nearly having the Elder Gods breach Limbo or Cyke for inviting the Phoenix over.

Why was it wrong to warn her against Cyclops? He sent a team into the future knowing that they were unlikely to return, including a girl the same age as Hope, and Hope had to watch Cable die in front of her because of that gamble. Cyclops is a man focused on one thing: the survival and protection of mutants, and for a good long time he hasn't cared how many lives he has to sacrifice to make it so. Which makes him Marvels version of this guy:

Yes wanting the Phoenix to come was risk, but in the end he was right. Again i point to Rachel Grey, who lived with an controlled the phoenix. And then too Jean herself who managed to control it before her death. It was a huge Gamble with the odds against him but he had to take it. And in the end he was right to do so.

Most of my Beast complaints were settled in the final moments of today's All New X-Men 25. But i don't disagree that the actions you named were reckless. But what i'm saying is that he did something because he could do it, never mind that the kids would have targets on their heads, or that time travel is an extreme solution even for the FF, he brought kids to the future to have a conversation he couldn't have himself. It's a long way too go for a scare tatic.

Yea Scott's not nearly Zodd level. He does what he has to do to protect mutants and regular people, but even then he debates the matter before and afterwards. But even more then that Cyclops wouldn't have forced any member of X-Force or the X-Men to do anything. If they had said no he wouldn't have kicked them through the time portal and said "go fight nimrod". It's just not in his character to force someone against their will to do something.

@frozenedge: Actually I would be just fine with them coming after all the time travellers so that really means nothing to me. Like I said before the science department is already represented but the illuminati have no telepath plus Emma could make the hard decisions. The all boys club is getting old anyway. Rachel is a telepath and telekinetic and is a strong character and I think would make a tough decision. Just because she bucked against Storm briefly in a moment about Karima doesnt make her afraid to make big or difficult decisions. Plus there really should be someone else to represent the mutant community imo. Beast can be a bit of a sellout but I think Rachel and/or Emma would be better in the role of protecting and standing up fir mutants. They would certainly be more than wallpaper in the book. By the way an even better choice would be Cyclops and still more interesting would be Magneto. In thinking about their current missions even dare I say Wolverine or Psylocke would be suited as well. For me almost anyone but Beast. But if you are Beast lover want to defend him then fine I wont argue with you. As far as Emma being outlawed, what does that matter? Technically I would say Namor is in someway also outlawed and the notion of kings without their thrones is currently the ongoing premise. Look at Namor, Tchalla and Black Bolt.

@hawk2916: Having a telepath isn't really needed since Strange could give them all a mental link with each other through magic. I don't think it's an all boys club anymore since I think Medusa replaced Black Bolt for the Inhumans. How is Beast a sellout? Because he's been both and Avenger and X-Men? I don't think Namor is an outlaw in the same sense as Emma or Scott considering he isn't being hunted down by S.H.I.E.L.D or anyone like that. The thing is, the Illuminati isn't just people who can make hard decisions for the better of the world, they're the smartest and most influential of their side of the world. While your replacements for Beast have/had pull among the mutant side, they aren't smarter than Beast which is really what the Illuminati is comprised of

Uatu shares my sentiment over Hank and his decision for the bringing the 05 and for being a giant hypocrite. Looking forward to Hank's death one day.

Man that new issue of All New X-Men really ripped on old Hank, I actually kind of feel bad for him...

@jphu8414: I don't he derserves every hateful comment the large number of fans that absolutely hate him is music to my ears and a great show for popcorn.

@frozenedge: I respectfully disagree. The Illuminati had a telepath in Xavier, why not replace him with one? Unless Medusa replaced Black Bolt in the last two issues, he's still there. And no Beast is a sellout for more than being an Avenger and on the Xmen, which is something I despise by the way as I think they should stay separate, but that certainly doesnt help his case imo. For me Beast should not be the one representing the mutants. But it sounds like you are a Beast lover or defender, and if so, again I wont argue with you. If that's not you then thats cool, to each his own, but people who love and swear by certain characters are impossible to reason with and they cant see and flaws with their favorites. Really its a waste of time to even go back and forth, plus I'm tired, so..... I guess agree to disagree. I dislike Beast and would rather he leave the Xmen and Avengers altogether. I feel like he should be called to account for his actions and I really wouldn't mind if he were taken out the equation permanently. I hardly see him on anyone's dream team and each time I see another mutation of his it's like come on....

And I voted guilty by the way

GUILTY AS CHARGED!

@hawk2916: I don't really think Xavier was added to the Illuminati because he was a telepath but mainly because he was front man of the X-Men. So how exactly is Beast a sellout? I don't love and swear by Beast but I do like the guy but whatever. Like I said up earlier, nobody really calls out scientists in the Marvel verse on the work they do unless it's something completely screwed up, like Reed and Tony when they built Ragnarok

If the Foggin WATCHER says you messed up, and messed up real bad, then man you sure as hell messed up. Watcher says guilty, so guilty fo' sho' !

@avenger85: If only Hank McCoy would have died in the newest event instead of Uatu. Its a fair trade in my book.

@hawk2916:

I agree with you on Illuminati part, Hickman shouldn't have used Beast to begin begin with, but if we think about it... As much as I'd like it to be Magneto, he is but a shell of himself, and only on the road to reclaim his lost glory. Emma and Cyclops are being hunted by pretty much the same people, Rachel would be cool though, but is she that a big name to be in Illuminati? Everything is messed up for mutantkind now :(((( lol sad but true.

I’m not Cyclops hater, I think some users on comic vine get that wrong about me. Cause I criticize Cyclops a lot, they think I hate him, I don’t. However I don’t like the man he become. I prefer Cyclops from back in the day. Cyclops back then, care and had respect for friends. He a lot passion for his friends. I don’t care if was a boy scout or goody two shoes. He still was a better man, back in the day.

I don’t agree with a lot of decisions he made over the last couple years. All I have seen him do over the last 12 years is treat a lot of his loves ones very poorly. He cheats on Jean Grey, treats Beast and Charles Xavier very poorly. Both Beast and Charles were torture by Norman Osborn and Scott acts like doesn't care. Sure he stop Norman Osborn. Did show any concern for Charles or Beast? No. Even Emma Frost show concern for Charles.

Then he lets the Avengers beat his son to death. Sure Cable was out of his mind, if Cyclops had any guts, he would of use his own powers on his son and put him out of his misery. Instead he just stood there and let them beat his son to death.

That’s just how he treats the ones closer to him. That’s not including the other decisions he made. His role in Avengers vs X-Men event. The fact that he ok with kids becoming killers. He used X-23 and doesn't mind Oya becoming a killer. He didn't really show Kurt much respect after he died in Second Coming. What he is doing right now, doesn't make any sense and I don’t think it’s right for mutants.

I don’t like the man he has become. I also annoyed with him as a character. Comics have been center around him for too long. A lot of good characters have suffered because of it. Marvel destroy Jean Grey and Charles Xavier character, then they turn Magneto into Cyclops little-lapdog. Emma Frost has lived in his shadow for pasts 6 years. Then there Storm as well, she had no voice in the X-Men comics. Sure you can blame Wolverine for Storm treatment too, but there have been times where Marvel trys to make Cyclops look better than Storm e.g. When Cyclops spoke Storm about X-23, he acts like he knows better than Storm in the X-23 series.

It not just Storm, Marvel have gone out there way to try make Cyclop look better than everyone esle. Like when team turn up at Jean Grey Institute in All New X-Men. In that issue we saw, Bendis trying to make Cyclops team look better than Wolverine team. Beast and Cyclops goes face to face, does Beast speak up to Scott, no speak after he leaves. You got Magneto throwing Wolverine in the air. Then you got Emma and Cuckoo’s attacking Jean Grey.

Then there Wolverine, so while Cyclops trying to save the mutant race, wolverine betraying his own kind.

Just as you think, it couldn't get any worse. We have 2 Cyclops and one of them is going to have to a solo series. So Uncanny X-Men is mainly being about adult Scott summers and we going see teen Cyclops in space, in his own solo series. I mean, I don’t mind Cyclops having a solo series, but I think it’s came at the wrong time. Comics have been center around him for too long and I am surprise that people are not annoyed with it.

Then there is this ‘He was right’ business, cause he was right, some how he saved the mutant race. It’s like he gets credit for saving the mutant race. When he didn’t, mutants don’t have powers cause of him. They have powers cause of Hope, Scarlet Witch and the Phoenix Force. Some how, all of the credit goes to him.

I mean what about the other characters. Why doesn’t Hope get any credit, she be hunted down since she was kid. It was her who stop Cyclops when he became Dark Phoenix and when she became Phoenix, she could of gone all evil, but she didn't. She saved the mutant race, along with Scarlet Witch. She also the one who stop Bastion.

Then there Cable who has protected Hope Summers for over 200 years and he stop Bastion armies in Second coming. Does he get any of the credit ? No, his father does.

What about Kurt, he die saving Hope life. Hope could of die, if it wasn’t for him. There nothing to say that Phoenix Force was going to raise her from the dead, like it did with Jean Grey. So does Kurt get any of the credit? No

All of the credit goes to Cyclops.

I think this ‘He was right’ business all got to do with getting one over the Avengers and Wolverine. Cyclops never saved the mutant race, he united the mutant race. What he did is, no different to what Charles Xavier did over 30 years ago. Scott brings people together and that’s what chuck did.

@time: While you make some interesting points about Cyclops, I would have to disagree with alot of what you said. I've been more annoyed by Wolverine of the last few years over Cyclops. I dont like that alot of the focus has been on him and how Emma has become just eye candy for the last 6 years, along with Xavier's and Magneto's almost irrelevance. But the one who has been overexposed the most is Wolverine.

I hate it when the focus for years at a time is solely on any character however I think Cyclops has gone through some of the best character development around. I also see where other characters have gotten credit. as far as the Hope thing, having AVX center around her was a mistake imo. I wish we knew what writers like carey had in mind when they created Hope ans to what she was supposed to be. I dont think Hope got much credit because largely it was not really that good of an event. Kurt's sacrifice and Cable's actions were acknowledged maybe not on certain message boards by Cyclops fan-boys but I think as a whole the Xmen collectively have saved the mutant race not just one man and anyone who would treat it that way is mistaken. Even if Cyke was the general, he's only as strong as those under him. It did seem at one time he was more caring when it came to those closest to him but then he became more of a fighter and protector than nurturer which again is fine by me. Would you prefer Cyclops kill his own son like Logan did? Is that more humane? Cyke has changed ever since the Apocalypse thing but imo he's put his life on the line several times for his "brothers" included the Apocalypse thing, his actions in Whedon's Astonishing and even the AVX event to a certain extent.

His treatment of Jean Grey was shitty to say the least and I hated that Morrison went there, but I thought their relationship was on the rocks and Jean was drifting away so to speak. Also hasn't she always flirted with Logan while supposedly being with Cyclops? Then if we are being honest the writer destroyed their relationship then killed Jean and made it ok by having her give Scott permission. Not Cyclops fault, but the writer's. While Ive quickly always dismissed this episode as just bad writing and unnecessary, Ive recently come to think that Morrison was possibly trying to correct a bit of a wrong with how Cyclops treated Jean over Maddie. This was during his so-called "boy scout" days when he left Maddie and his child for a rumor that Jean was alive. In my estimation what he did to Maddie was far worst than his treatment of Jean Grey with Emma as that had alot to do with Emma's manipulations.

I think you and everyone here on these boards know how I feel about solos and having multiples of the same characters running around. You dont have to convince me on that because I completely hate them.

I dont say Cyclops saved the mutant race, i agree that he united it and tried to protect and defend it by any means necessary, even if that meant losing himself in the process. I think he was right to a certain extent and that his actions were in response to what the Avengers were doing. Evidently his points had some merit because even Captain America admitted there was an oversight, though again i dont say that was necessarily the Avengers responsibility. Actually him even getting the Phoenix force was in all honesty Iron man's fault not his own.

In all honesty I see more Cyclops hate than anything else and more Wolverine love. I happen to like both characters and at different times have felt like one was right over the other. The period of the last few years we've just been talking about though have largely focused on just Cyclops, Emma and Wolverine over everyone else which is ridiculous imo even Storm gets dropped off for these 3 and I hate it. Again i chalk alot of it up to bad writing and stupid plots and premises

What did storm do?

he is the most guilty person out of all of these threads. seriously screw beast

As far as actual crimes go Beast didn't commit any. There's no law saying you can't time travel (though there should be one) and advising somone to do something is absolutely legal.

Although during AvX he did join Cyclopes team so maybe aiding and abetting a criminal? but not really.

Morally yes I do think he should face serious punishment for violating time ethics.

Wolverine without any doubt is most overexposed X-Man. For some fans like yourself, are annoyed with it. I mean annoyed that gets more time in the spotlight than anyone else. That doesn’t annoyed me, cause it’s expected. He X-Men most popular character, he one of Marvel cash cows. He just like Spiderman and Batman.

I think what annoyed me the most is the way Logan has been written over last couple of years. He has been written very poorly. He was a leader of 2 hit-man squads, 2 death squads and some how he qualified to run a school for children. They he betrays his own kind and goes back to being leader of team. I mean how can you betray your own kind and then be leader of your people too. Then we see biggest threat to the school is bunch of kids, the Hellfire kids. Jason Aaron ‘Wolverine and X-men’ is terrible. I’m so glad he left the X-Men comics. His version of Wolverine was the worst.

I’m more annoyed with Cyclops character than anyone else. Too many good characters have suffered cause of him.

Just look at what happened to Jean Grey and Emma Frost. Both powerful X-ladies and interesting ladies and they both offer something different to the team. Then Marvel treats them badly, just so Cyclops could benefit. Jean Grey has been treated the worse, it’s ashamed, just as she become headmistress of the X-Men. At times, acting as leader in new X-Men. Grant Morrison destroy her marriage and kills her off. Then she left to rot in the White room. For years she has suffered and they can’t even return the real Jean Grey, just so they focus on Scott summers.

Then there Emma Frost, who has lived in Cyclops shadows for the past 6 years, she been nothing more than eye candy for Scott. To make matter worse, she follow in the same footsteps as Jean Grey. She been host of the Phoenix force, her daughters have been host of the Phoenix Force. Then Namor join the X-Men, so another guy try to get to get with Cyclops woman.

While Emma has some good moments from Bendis, it still feels like he has no plans for Emma Frost. It’s like Marvel has no intention of doing anything with her character and why, cause Scott is the focus. Which is why I always thought it was the wrong move for Emma to replace Jean Grey. Marvel are always willing to do more with Jean then Emma.

Then there Charles and Magneto. Charles used to be one of the most respected people in comics. Then Marvel made up some rubbish that he couldn't be trusted, Cyclops kick him out of the X-Men and then kills him. Then Red Skull takes his brain. I mean did they really have to destroy Charles Xavier character the way they did, just so Cyclops could become leader of the X-Men. I could off just killed Charles off, instead of making up Vulan and Danger stories.

When Magneto join the X-Men, he kneel down on his knees, calling Cyclops Caesar. That wasn’t for Magneto benefit or his fans. That about building up Cyclops reputation and no one else. It show that someone as powerful as Magneto, is so willing to follow Cyclops, then Scott must be doing something right.

I think they created Hope, just so she can saved the Mutant race. That was her purpose. The last 6 years has been about keeping her alive, so she can saved the mutant race.

I’m glad to hear, your not one of the fans who think Cyclops save mutant race. Your right, when you said

‘I think as a whole the X- Men collectively have saved the mutant race not just one man and anyone who would treat it that way is mistaken. Even if Cyke was the general, he's only as strong as those under him’

I do get a annoyed, when all the credit goes to Cyclops. It’s doesn't matter what type of leader you are. If you have no one who is willing to follow you. Then your never achieved anything. If it wasn't for Magik or Magneto, Cyclops would still be in prison. If it wasn't for the other X-Men, Cyclops wouldn't of defeated Bastion and his armies or Norman Osborn.

Cyclops has had the most development over the last couple of years. I think some of the decisions he has made hasn't help him. Lying to his friends about the X-Force, using kids as killers. Going to war with the Avengers. I don’t think they help him that much. Kitty try to kill him uncanny X-Men, that more to do with Professor X.

I think if he didn't treat the ones so close to him, so poorly. People would still be following him now.

I don’t think Wolverine had a choice when it came to Daken. Daken try to kill him, even try to drown him. Even if Logan let him lived, Daken will still try to kill him. I think Cyclops did have a choice, he knew his son was in pain and out of his mind and he just stood there and let Avengers beat him to death. Can you imagine watching someone you loved be beating to death. I think Cyclops should of used his own powers on his son, instead of letting the Avengers do what they want.

Cyclops has saved a lot of mutants over the last couples of years, but he also endangers some mutants lifes as well, as well humans. He not responsible for the whole Phoenix Five mess. Iron Man should get a lot of the blamed too. Namor attack the people of Wakanda , killing innocent people, Emma tied her own people in chains, Cyclops was the leader of them and he should get some of the blamed for it too. He also help killed some humans over last couple issues of Uncanny X-Men.

I think Cyclops contributed to saving the mutants race but, he didn't do it own his own.

With regards to Cyclops and Jean Grey marriage. I would never believe it was on the rocks . A lot of fans say there marriage was coming to end. Some people base that decision on Grant Morrison writing, when he wasn't a fan of there marriage. He has no understanding of it and no respect for it. It was like he ignored all the work the others writers put into there marriage, then just destroy it.

Your right, Cyclops did treat Maddie worse than Jean. I loved when people defend Cyclops. It was Mr Sinister fault why Cyclops treated Maddie so poorly. It was Apocalypse and Emma fault, why he cheated on Jean grey. It’s like Cyclops is not responsible for his own actions

I don’t think Jean always flirted with Logan, I remember once in New X-Men she went to Logan, cause she felt close off from Cyclops. It would hardly called it flirting. They kissed, that’s all. I would of prefer if Jean cheated on Scott, instead of the other way round. Logan would if treated her with more respect.

I actually seen more loved for Scott, then Logan. Particular on comic vine. I mean at the moment, everyone else is guilty, while Cyclops is innocent. I think Cyclops has more fans than anyone else on comic vine. I've always like Logan more than Scott. I do think X-Men comics have suffered, cause the focus has been on them.

Bit late to the conversation with this, but made this up earlier and thought this'd be the place to share it.

A sneak peek of The Trial of Hank McCoy. ;)

Guilty, most definitely.

@oldnightcrawler: @koays did you see in uncanny x-men annual where as magik was dying she said for hank should go on trial???????

Guilty

Honestly the X-Men are lucky he hasn't gone full on super villain on him, he was one of the truest believers in Xavier's dream despite his personal issues with his mutation and gave his all to the X-Men in return they've near constantly s**t on him. They barely treat him like a person until they need something, they've never allowed him anything close to a real leadership role and most of the time his considered beneath the rest by its members so it'd make sense that he'd side with the Avengers more considering they actually treat him with some level of common decency.

Outside of some issues of racial solidarity I see no reason for him not to just tell the X-Men to f**k off.

It was so random, haha. Oh, Bendis. Now we're forced to buy the All New Annual to get the rest of the story.

@hopesummersforthefuture: Yup..... Really wishing for the All New X-Men to stay away on this one

@koays: im not getting my notifications :(

@hopesummersforthefuture: Yea I didn't get this one either..... Smh

first we don't get half the notifications, now we only get the old ones

@koays: I have the same problem. How I can contact the staff?

@ec2277: report bug forum

@koays: the trial is coming!!!!! according to bendis tumblr

anonymous asked:

Is Beast finally going to gets comeuppance? He disgusted the Watcher and threatened time itself yet he is a bosom buddy of the Avengers and X-Men. Cyclops lead the X-Men straight as a die for years, saves the world, brought peace and plenty to the world, brought back the mutant race and because he was taken over by evil and killed a man who lied and manipulated people for years - he's universally hated by the Marvel U. We all know Cyclops was right, when will the Marvel U forgive him?

just posting this to rile up some people. :)

but the trial of hank mccoy is coming!!

also its funny how people think scott is innocent where beast is guilty and should pay for his crimes

@hopesummersforthefuture: Lol Scott's not entirely innocent.... But its certainly not fair that he's blamed for something he did while possessed by the entire world when almost every superhero ever has been possessed and told it wasn't there fault. Meanwhile nobody notices Hank going full mad scientist on us.

If there going to blame one then hang em both I say. And I can't wait for the Trial to come out and everyone to complain about it

yeah i dont want to read about the trial of beast, seems boring but the "trial" of scott summers is interesting. besides teen jean grey got a "trial" and she was able to be free........

I want there to be a trial and for Beast to be seen as guilty and sent away to be looked up amongst the other super powered villains. Then seeing this as unjust I want him to escape his transport and truly become the Dark Beast. So its not some alternate version but what he evolved into

@hopesummersforthefuture: Didn't get this or the last notification....

@hawk2916- My only gripe with what your saying is that I think it would involve time travel to sort of piece it together completely and connect it to the last use of Dark Beast (which lacks so much explanation it would have to be some how related).

To me though Beast just needs to be punished just to bring some legitimacy back to the Marvel U which at the moment has alot of people being punished and called out for actions alot less rash then some of the things Beast has but if through this we can finally get a Beast storyline after all these years where he gets development...i'd be with it.

Guilty, time to bring in the Council from Krypton!

Hank screwing with the timeline after knowing that it was broken is a big thing. He did in on his own without getting opinions from anyone. Big ego there...

Also the illumanti are completely wrong. They decided to leave the major governments and superhero groups out of the protection of their planet and decided mass murder was an OK thing.

They had more than enough resources to transport everyone to a new planet and desteoy earth and then help other earths do the same. Hell Scarlet witch is very capable of doing this with just a boost. Mix in franklin richards and anything is possible.

Hank is guilty and should be In prison. No question.

And here we go!

This made me smile

Beast seems like one of the few non pussies in the xmen

wow 67% guilty hank mccoy has changed since the let time i knew him