Aaah after he gathered all the rest of the phoenixs, it's clear that Scott was defeated and took away his dark phoenix. I think this is also on panel just saying.

Or when she went all out to stop Namor with only 1/5 of the Phoenix and in the end she was unconscious and he was not, her powers became less and less effective against them as the story progressed, one of the main points to the AVX thing was that nobody on Earth was a match for the Phoenix and just like last time the only thing that can stop the Phoenix is the person wielding it or Phoenix itself.

They beats him as well. Jean only distracted him because he wouldn't let it go so the 2 powerful girls can take him out.

He later said he would do it again. So there is proof that he didn't want to let it go. And there is Wanda saying "We Did It!"

@sky_fire said:

@lordofallhumans said:

@darthphoenix said:

people are posting panels of wanda hurting scott and making it seem that she can take down phoenix. let us also take into consideration that there was a time when she attacked scott with everything she has and nothing happened. scott wasn't even hurt a bit.

Or when she went all out to stop Namor with only 1/5 of the Phoenix and in the end she was unconscious and he was not, her powers became less and less effective against them as the story progressed, one of the main points to the AVX thing was that nobody on Earth was a match for the Phoenix and just like last time the only thing that can stop the Phoenix is the person wielding it or Phoenix itself.

@warhammer:

Aaah after he gathered all the rest of the phoenixs, it's clear that Scott was defeated and took away his dark phoenix. I think this is also on panel just saying.

Scott was not defeated by the Wanda and Hope, they did not take away the Phoenix he let it go. It was clear on panel that he was speaking with Jean during the fight and she convinced him to let the Phoenix go and that it what stopped the Phoenix.

They beats him as well. Jean only distracted him because he wouldn't let it go so the 2 powerful girls can take him out.

He later said he would do it again. So there is proof that he didn't want to let it go. And there is Wanda saying "We Did It!"

Scott decided to let go and they hit him at the same time, they did not defeat him, he let go of his power. Him saying he would do it again means that given the chance if he had to do it all over again he would do it exactly the same way, that has nothing to do with him not wanted to let the Phoenix go, if he didn't want to he wouldn't. I was right you are an idiot one that doesn't even understand the context of scans you posted.

@lordofallhumans said:

@sky_fire said:

@lordofallhumans said:

@darthphoenix said:

people are posting panels of wanda hurting scott and making it seem that she can take down phoenix. let us also take into consideration that there was a time when she attacked scott with everything she has and nothing happened. scott wasn't even hurt a bit.

Or when she went all out to stop Namor with only 1/5 of the Phoenix and in the end she was unconscious and he was not, her powers became less and less effective against them as the story progressed, one of the main points to the AVX thing was that nobody on Earth was a match for the Phoenix and just like last time the only thing that can stop the Phoenix is the person wielding it or Phoenix itself.

@warhammer:

Aaah after he gathered all the rest of the phoenixs, it's clear that Scott was defeated and took away his dark phoenix. I think this is also on panel just saying.

Scott was not defeated by the Wanda and Hope, they did not take away the Phoenix he let it go. It was clear on panel that he was speaking with Jean during the fight and she convinced him to let the Phoenix go and that it what stopped the Phoenix.

They beats him as well. Jean only distracted him because he wouldn't let it go so the 2 powerful girls can take him out.

He later said he would do it again. So there is proof that he didn't want to let it go. And there is Wanda saying "We Did It!"

Scott decided to let go and they hit him at the same time, they did not defeat him, he let go of his power. Him saying he would do it again means that given the chance if he had to do it all over again he would do it exactly the same way, that has nothing to do with him not wanted to let the Phoenix go, if he didn't want to he wouldn't. I was right you are an idiot one that doesn't even understand the context of scans you posted.

WHERE did it show he let it go? WHERE? I think all you like to do is come up with the most idiotic logic who can't just admit anything. He didn't let go nothing. It never showed or stated so I'm not the idiot here. It's clearly who's the one lol.

@sky_fire:

The Phoenix leaving him after he is told to let it go is where it is shown he let it go. This is the guy with 1/5 of the that piece of the Phoenix that stopped Thor with a pinky and you think a punch from two women with no feats of natural strength beyond a normal woman knocked the Phoenix out of him. They even said the Phoenix left, not we knocked the Phoenix out of him. They didn't do anything, except annoy him while he was having a separate conversation with Jean Grey. So you are definitely an idiot.

I think you are still rewriting everything lol. First Hope was an Omega and now you saying she has no feats? LOL. They beats him while Jean distracted him. PERIOD. It's simple in panel. And if you're saying when he first encounter with Jean the phoenix, he never wanted to let it go STILL. So no buddy. You're the idiot who don't follow the writers, but your own rewriting them LOL. Your own LOGIC LOL. Your own DREAAAAAAM LOL.

What the hell are you talking, Marvel said she was an omega and I gave you proof from her bio printed by Marvel. When did I say she has no feats? You posted the scan of Jean telling him to let it go, and I'm rewriting things?

Your saying "This is the guy with 1/5 of the that piece of the Phoenix that stopped Thor with a pinky and you think a punch from two women with no feats of natural strength beyond a normal woman knocked the Phoenix out of him.

Yet you're saying she can't beats Scott the phoenix. And no she didn't told him to "let it go" She distracted him and is all that happened in that specifically panel. Keep your logics to yourself since you were lying the whole time about everything.

So in the scan you posted where she is saying let go, you are saying she is not telling him to let go?

Magneto can defeats pretty much everyone even Apocalypse.

the hulk is the original omega level character.

There you go. I'm with you in this one.

The Phoenix leaving him after he is told to let it go is where it is shown he let it go. This is the guy with 1/5 of the that piece of the Phoenix that stopped Thor with a pinky and you think a punch from two women with no feats of natural strength beyond a normal woman knocked the Phoenix out of him. They even said the Phoenix left, not we knocked the Phoenix out of him. They didn't do anything, except annoy him while he was having a separate conversation with Jean Grey. So you are definitely an idiot

I agree. did you even see scott fight? In fairness to him, the only woman he attacked in AVX was emma (just to get her fragment of the Phoenix). There were no panels where attacked any of the women against him. Jean was there and asked scott to let go, for it to be easier on his part. It was for jean to decide. She did'nt distract him. she asked him to let go. the scan posted blurred the part where jean said let go. lol. He could have held on to it but the phoenix would have left him anyway because jean clearly wanted the phoenix out of him.

Im with Lord and darth on this phoenix leaving scott thing. It makes more sense based on those panels

He got distracted period. In the panel it show nothing that you guys wish.

He got distracted period. In the panel it show nothing that you guys wish.

there was nothing in the panel because it was BLURRED. this is the BLURRED part that you obviously didn't want to take into consideration or didn't want people to see just to make your point.

Also, before that, scott didn't fight wanda and hope. He held back and asked them to kill him.

He held back from the impact punches. Now that is clearly in panel.

Wolverine said...hurting him is not good enough. It's time to put him down...

I think even the hulk get beats down by Magneto controlling his nervous system and his brain. lol

@sky_fire: how does he do that? of course the hulk can be beaten down by higher level characters. but he is an omega level character.

I agree with you. He is probably the most powerful comparing all the others omega level. But Magneto had took down threats like those who classified omega level themselves. Maybe it will be a tie in this one. Who knows. I know Hulk is unstoppable, but Magneto is a genius.

@sky_fire: what is magneto gonna do to defeat the hulk? because in avengers earth mightiest hero, he overpowered graviton who was similar to magneto in terms of power. i even consider graviton has an omega level charcter too, and yet hulk held is own against him seriously.

@medulaoblaganda: Cool. I remember that. It was a cool fight though.

You're using cartoon aren't you? Oh boy, Magneto can simply rip him in half or two pieces.

Magneto disperses his molecules. Hulk will be disposes of, Proteus style. How does Hulk stand a chance when Magneto has full control over his brain's electrical impulses and/or hemoglobin?

@sky_fire: won't the hulk regenerate from that instantly? hulk can be stopped actually.

I don't know about Hulk and Magneto, but I'm sure this fight on panel will be awesome :)

I have a better clear images.

where in the panel did it say that scarlet witch made an illusion of jean?

lol at wanda creating the jean illusion

Obviously we can see Scarlet Witch doing something there. Using some kind of spell, magic, or power right behind Hope which is why Hope punch him. People think Wanda is not powerful, but what they don't see is that Wanda can do pretty much everything, anything she wish to be. She wish to distracted Cyclops and she did by putting those images of Jean. When Jean's first appeared to Cyclops, he didn't let go the Phoenix no matter what Jean say. He was so into himself. Scarlet Witch did this distraction and I think it's time to admit it.

*face palm*

scroll up... scott said they're so small. he knows that even with wanda and hope's combined powers, they are nothing compared to his. he already had the power to destroy earth. wanda is powerful but the nature of her powers are not consistent. PROBABILITY. there was no where in the pages that it was said she made an illusion of jean. 1st the scott and jean conversation happened inside scott's mind. I believe wanda is no telepath to cast illusions inside one's head. If you want to bend reality go to MARVEL'S office and ask for a reprint where they'll add in the panels that wanda made an illusion of jean distracting the DARK PHOENIX to give hope a chance to (tickle)hurt scott. Also, when did wanda become a phoenix expert knowing that letting go of the phoenix wouldn't hurt? JEAN said leeting go wouldn't hurt. CYCLOPS had strong telepathic powers already. He'd know if it was an illusion or not. Xavier was not even able to do the illusion thing on scott. I don't think doing an illusion was even an option.

if you really think hope and wanda can take on dark phoenix, why didn't they just do what jean did in end song when jean separated the phoenix force from emma's body? why didn't they just vanish the Phoenix Force by will by saying no more PHOENIX?

THEY SIMPLY CAN'T!

Jean had to intervene for scott to let go of the Phoenix force.

Confirmed recently by Ms. Marvel writer Ms. Willow Wilson that she is an Omega Level Mutant:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57437

Storm confirmed as potential omega mutant in panels below:

Not sure if Magneto is or not, but I do think the power he has exhibited is well I'm the realm of at least him being credited with potential omega level powers.

Also those talking about Mags beating Storm must know that there was at least one instance I can recall where she could have killed him but she held back because she couldn't pull herself to kill him. He even acknowledged this himself.

Now I know a lot of what Magneto can do. I've only spent weeks upon weeks in my life looking up scans, studying his powers, who he's fought and much much more. He's shown himself capable of manipulating the EM spectrum and very easily and quickly.

Here, Magneto hoists up and reprograms a great many sentinels, a number estimated by Jean later in the book to be around 300-500 roughly. He did that in a very short amount of time, which takes concentration, skill and power.

Here, Magneto decks the X-Men and holds them down while acknowledging Kitty Pryde's tampering with a machine he's using. He's also clearly effecting the radioactivity of the core north of Miami.

Here he holds down all of the X-Men while casually delivering a "beat down" speech.

Here he rips apart that spaceship, shields himself so he's nice and safe even outside of space, and manipulates radiowaves to speak with the astronauts.

Controls a multitude of electronic devices throughout the facility AFTER decking the Ultimates, as well as carefully and casually erasing info from their data banks.

Utter molecular control over metal with no outward signs of effort.

AFTER getting eviscerated by Wolverine, he is still capable of easily, well, doing this...

He was being bombarded by Storm's lightning and then without even so much as a simple wave of his hand he had a forcefield up and proceeded to smack down all of the X-Men in one fell swoop.

As expected Magneto has Powerful Magnetic Powers. So Powerful they are World Level.

Whips up 1000+ tons of steel to send a message.

Creates world wide disastrous by flipping the poles.

Creates a Tidal Wave to drown New York.

Drops 1000+ tons of Train on rebels.

Obliterates Wolverine on the molecule scale.

with 3 small metal cubes, creates a super large metal structure.

His best power feat was his last.

As seen and read, he was dying, he was weak, and he still manage to shift the planets axis with his power! What make you people think he can't be Omega Level?

As expected he can use these powers in other unique ways.

Mags Activates every Nuke in the World with his Electromagnetic Power.

Communicates via Electromagnetic Frequencies.

Able to appear before Xavier by Hologram, yet shuts down SHIELD security with his powers.

Detects Metals and Magnetic Frequencies.

Can generate Force Fields of course.

He can even visually see thru metals miles away.

On the subject of Force Fields, they are very powerful.

Protects him from gases.

Holds off the Air Force bombing runs.

Allows him to tank the thousand toner blows of a enraged Colossus.

And there are more, but I will be here forever posting. Magneto vs all the remaining Heroes of Earth during Ultimatum. Magneto proves he is simply too much for all these powerhouses. He is what an Omega Level should be described. He is the best example of them all. He is a true vision of Omega Level. He is..............Omega Level without being in print (as someone stated) lol.

@roboticianist: I think there is no question what Magneto can do. You know those who so called Beyond Omega Level Mutant? Magneto is like leveling up there as well, with all that ridiculous ease, of course. He is super powerful and I agree.

@themasterofmagnetism:

What the he!! does beyond omega mean? I thought omega was the pinnacle, the ultimate level a mutant could achieve. So what makes beyond omega different? Does anyone know?

Well, according to Marvel Wiki, Beyond Omega Level Mutants are Franklin Richards, Gabriel Summers, Matthew Malloy, and Absolon Mercator. Their references are reference for when they were 'outed' as being beyond or having past the Omega Level or Omega Class. Still make no sense, but that's what it mean.

@roboticianist

You spent weeks researching and all you could come up with are non-canon feats from a Magneto that lives in a world where the term omega level mutant doesn't exist and mutants there are nothing more than government science projects? Feats are not transferable from universe to universe. Nothing you posted makes Magneto an omega level mutant because that is not the Magneto being discussed.

@themasterofmagnetism: yea that doesnt explain what a beyond omega means. Omega means unlimited potential and power right? How do you go beyond unlimited??? Lol

The amount of fail in this thread is irksome.

@butterflykyss: lol

"Beyond Omega Level Mutant simply described as such, without independent statement of being Omega Level Mutants."

In Uncanny XM, it showed Malloy being stronger than Rachael, and Rachael is an Omega Level Mutant. I guess if you're stronger than those Omega Level Mutants, it's considerably BEYOND lol. I know it's stupid and a useless classification.

Lol why do you say that??

Yea even the confirmed omega level mutants have tiers or levels of power. Like both iceman and Jean are Omega but jeans wins all the time. It just makes no sense who made up this ridiculous term? Was it bendis?

@butterflykyss: Ultimate Magneto feats ≠ 616 Magneto feats.

@butterflykyss: lol now that you mention it, I wonder if Benids does have something to do with it.

@themasterofmagnetism: I wouldn't be surprised if it was he who made this crap sh!t up lol. I haven't even heard of it before until recently. Writers like him make me wish the rumors of the mu reboot are true.

@roddy010: hehehehe maybe the poster doesn't know lol

Have you ever wonder why Storm is not classified Omega?

@themasterofmagnetism: hmm I haven't really set down and gave it much thought. I mean without it she has already done so much especially under Claremont's pen. I have never understood how bobby who prior to recently didn't even have global feats under his belt yet had the classification, while characters like storm and Magneto didnt. Makes no sense but so doesn't the beyond omega crap lol.

How about you?

@butterflykyss: I guess I'm in the same shoes as you. A lot of people said that Storm and Magneto should be Omega, but at this point I don't even bother because they're quite powerful and to be describe them as B.O.L.M, I prefer them to be quite powerful and not classify them in a useless classification. I think it's why they didn't classify them as one because it is stupid. They're quite fine they way they are. It will be less confusing.

If they were to get classified on panel as being Omega I would want them to just be omega. None of above omega nonsense.

But I agree. Even if there were announced as being Omega and not changing the current power set would be fine. The two of them can already do so much it's pretty insane lol