I find that stories with magic and aliens really ruin the X-Men. It's almost as if they're just issue fillers between story ideas. Some of them, if done well, are okay but still, it doesn't really fit with the X-Men.

@nerd217 said:

I find that stories with magic and aliens really ruin the X-Men. It's almost as if they're just issue fillers between story ideas. Some of them, if done well, are okay but still, it doesn't really fit with the X-Men.

Aliens, and to a lesser extent magic, have been an intrinsic part of the X-Men practically since their inception. Some of the most classic X-Men stories have involved Aliens and cosmic shenanigans (Dark Phoenix, Claremont's Brood arc, Rise & Fall of the Shi'ar Empire, Whedon's Breakworld stuff, etc). Gotta disagree with you.

I do get a bit tired of the whole Limbo / Magik and Asgard / New Mutants stuff though.

No

Bad writing and poor planning is what ruined X-Men. Not Magic or Aliens.

I like that Ord worldbreaker stuff.

It gave us Abigail Brand.

@X35 said:

Aliens and Magic always are better than Onslaught.

They've been entwined in a lot of the X-Men's history. It will always be there.

Anything relating to Vampires continues to destroy the X-Men

Magic and Aliens are fine. Some of the most classic X-Men stories involve aliens.

• Dark Phoenix Saga.
• End of Greys.
• Inferno.
• Phalanx Covenant.
• Unstoppable.
• House of M.
• Secret Wars.
• Phoenix Endsong/Warsong.
• Asgardian Wars.

.... are all main X-Men story arcs that are heavily involved with aliens/magic. This is not to mention smaller stories such as Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire, X-Infernus, Starjammer stuff, Mojoverse stuff, Quest for magic etc that also run through the main/satelite X-Books. Nearly all of the X-Men have some form of significant connection to either magic or aliens. Most have both.

These two things are integral to the X-Men mythos and contribute to about half of X-history.

I agree, lets take characters whose gist is diversity and keep them contained =p  
 
Its a common enough argument so I can understand how many find taking the mutants into settings where we can't have a bigot senator shouting abuse at them can take away a certain edge to X-Men stories, but like I snarkily imply above, I really really enjoy the diversity in settings as well as with the characters and lets us see different sides of characters we might not otherwise see. As another poster mentions, is really about quality writing and art I feel. Good creative team can make any setting work. 

Aliens are key to x-men stories. It had always been a sci fi book. Magic isn't. They should kill Magik before she becomes a central character.

@Nightcrawler23 said:

Aliens are key to x-men stories. It had always been a sci fi book. Magic isn't. They should kill Magik before she becomes a central character.

Magik is one of the best things about X-Books right now.

@John Valentine said:

@Nightcrawler23 said:

Aliens are key to x-men stories. It had always been a sci fi book. Magic isn't. They should kill Magik before she becomes a central character.

Magik is one of the best things about X-Books right now.

Cosigned.

@TheGreyOutcastX: She doesn't even have a soul. It'd be so easy. Just get rid of her so that the x-men can maintain there sci fi roots.

@Nightcrawler23 said:

@TheGreyOutcastX: She doesn't even have a soul. It'd be so easy. Just get rid of her so that the x-men can maintain there sci fi roots.

So your argument is because she has no soul, get rid of her? That's non-sense. Should we get rid of Piotr now cause he's now the Juggernaut which is a magically powered being? No. Should we remove Dani cause she is Hela's Valkyrie? You see the point I'm making? The X-Men have ties to both Magic and Space.

She is perfectly fine where she is and how she is.

@TheGreyOutcastX said:

@Nightcrawler23 said:

@TheGreyOutcastX: She doesn't even have a soul. It'd be so easy. Just get rid of her so that the x-men can maintain there sci fi roots.

So your argument is because she has no soul, get rid of her? That's non-sense. Should we get rid of Piotr now cause he's now the Juggernaut which is a magically powered being? No. Should we remove Dani cause she is Hela's Valkyrie? You see the point I'm making? The X-Men have ties to both Magic and Space.

She is perfectly fine where she is and how she is.

Sci-fi roots? The X-Franchise has had a lot about magic for a long, long time!

@John Valentine said:

@TheGreyOutcastX said:

@Nightcrawler23 said:

@TheGreyOutcastX: She doesn't even have a soul. It'd be so easy. Just get rid of her so that the x-men can maintain there sci fi roots.

So your argument is because she has no soul, get rid of her? That's non-sense. Should we get rid of Piotr now cause he's now the Juggernaut which is a magically powered being? No. Should we remove Dani cause she is Hela's Valkyrie? You see the point I'm making? The X-Men have ties to both Magic and Space.

She is perfectly fine where she is and how she is.

Sci-fi roots? The X-Franchise has had a lot about magic for a long, long time!

Besides how are the X-Men supposed to fight the Avengers without magic being involved? Magik is there to counter Strange which she did. Only wish I could have seen her kick his @ss.

@TheGreyOutcastX said:

@John Valentine said:

@TheGreyOutcastX said:

@Nightcrawler23 said:

@TheGreyOutcastX: She doesn't even have a soul. It'd be so easy. Just get rid of her so that the x-men can maintain there sci fi roots.

So your argument is because she has no soul, get rid of her? That's non-sense. Should we get rid of Piotr now cause he's now the Juggernaut which is a magically powered being? No. Should we remove Dani cause she is Hela's Valkyrie? You see the point I'm making? The X-Men have ties to both Magic and Space.

She is perfectly fine where she is and how she is.

Sci-fi roots? The X-Franchise has had a lot about magic for a long, long time!

Besides how are the X-Men supposed to fight the Avengers without magic being involved? Magik is there to counter Strange which she did. Only wish I could have seen her kick his @ss.

New Mutants would be such a terrible place for her to be right now. Gillen is handling her extremely well in Uncanny X-Men. The New Mutants weren't painful to read in Journey into Mystery; it's DnA, they don't know how to write them. The current New Mutants series is just terrible.

I, too, wish I could have seen the fight between her and Strange.

@John Valentine said:

@TheGreyOutcastX said:

@John Valentine said:

@TheGreyOutcastX said:

@Nightcrawler23 said:

@TheGreyOutcastX: She doesn't even have a soul. It'd be so easy. Just get rid of her so that the x-men can maintain there sci fi roots.

So your argument is because she has no soul, get rid of her? That's non-sense. Should we get rid of Piotr now cause he's now the Juggernaut which is a magically powered being? No. Should we remove Dani cause she is Hela's Valkyrie? You see the point I'm making? The X-Men have ties to both Magic and Space.

She is perfectly fine where she is and how she is.

Sci-fi roots? The X-Franchise has had a lot about magic for a long, long time!

Besides how are the X-Men supposed to fight the Avengers without magic being involved? Magik is there to counter Strange which she did. Only wish I could have seen her kick his @ss.

New Mutants would be such a terrible place for her to be right now. Gillen is handling her extremely well in Uncanny X-Men. The New Mutants weren't painful to read in Journey into Mystery; it's DnA, they don't know how to write them. The current New Mutants series is just terrible.

I, too, wish I could have seen the fight between her and Strange.

I said it cause of nostalgia factor, but Gillen is definitely handling her better than she has been for a long time. New Mutants just need a new creative team.

I have a feeling we'll see it in an Uncanny issue. I mean we got the Rulk/Colossus fight there so makes sense that we get something like Magik/Strange too if only a little bit.

@TheGreyOutcastX said:

I said it cause of nostalgia factor, but Gillen is definitely handling her better than she has been for a long time. New Mutants just need a new creative team.

I personally would rather an new book featuring the cast of New X-Men.

@John Valentine said:

@TheGreyOutcastX said:

I said it cause of nostalgia factor, but Gillen is definitely handling her better than she has been for a long time. New Mutants just need a new creative team.

I personally would rather an new book featuring the cast of New X-Men.

I get where you are coming from but not much hope of that as both Lowe and Alonso stated no plans for that.

@TheGreyOutcastX said:

@John Valentine said:

@TheGreyOutcastX said:

I said it cause of nostalgia factor, but Gillen is definitely handling her better than she has been for a long time. New Mutants just need a new creative team.

I personally would rather an new book featuring the cast of New X-Men.

I get where you are coming from but not much hope of that as both Lowe and Alonso stated no plans for that.

Hmmmmmm.

None of the teen X-Books since then have been anyway near as good. Second to this, there are a lot of under-utilized characters from this series who certainly have a strong fan base.

@John Valentine said:

@TheGreyOutcastX said:

@John Valentine said:

@TheGreyOutcastX said:

I said it cause of nostalgia factor, but Gillen is definitely handling her better than she has been for a long time. New Mutants just need a new creative team.

I personally would rather an new book featuring the cast of New X-Men.

I get where you are coming from but not much hope of that as both Lowe and Alonso stated no plans for that.

Hmmmmmm.

None of the teen X-Books since then have been anyway near as good. Second to this, there are a lot of under-utilized characters from this series who certainly have a strong fan base.

That is the true. I think Marvel needs to reinvest time into teen heroes.

Bad writing and poor planning is what ruined X-Men. Not Magic or Aliens.

The best X-men arc of all time heavily focused on aliens. Maybe it's just Marvel's current love of hack writers doing these stories causing the problems

Magic has been an integral part of their history since they introduced the Juggernaut back in the early 60s

@TheGreyOutcastX: They should at least segregate the titles including magic and sci fi. Although it provides new settings to further develop characters, it seems inconsistent, and odd that the x-men can quickly transition from battling aliens on their shores to fighting a mystical being with a hammer, from mythlology.

@John Valentine:We all want a "new x-men" relaunch, but can't have one. Otherwise there wouldn't be enough spotlight for Hope, who i personally don't care about.

@Nightcrawler23 said:

@TheGreyOutcastX: They should at least segregate the titles including magic and sci fi. Although it provides new settings to further develop characters, it seems inconsistent, and odd that the x-men can quickly transition from battling aliens on their shores to fighting a mystical being with a hammer, from mythlology.

How limiting. No, thanks.

By extension that's like saying the X-Men should refuse to fight an alien invasion if they've fought demons on a previous mission.

@Nightcrawler23 said:

@TheGreyOutcastX: They should at least segregate the titles including magic and sci fi. Although it provides new settings to further develop characters, it seems inconsistent, and odd that the x-men can quickly transition from battling aliens on their shores to fighting a mystical being with a hammer, from mythlology.

Yet it's ok that the Avengers can do that, but just not the X-Men? Makes no sense.

@TheGreyOutcastX said:

Bad writing and poor planning is what ruined X-Men. Not Magic or Aliens.

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