Seems like back in the day when Marvel was going bankrupt, X-men and Spiderman where their Pride and Joy! They even sold off the movie rights to X-men, Blade, Elektra, Hulk, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Spiderman and Fantastic Four. (Comics people read)

Now that Disney bought Marvel and can flood them with all the money they could ever need, it seems the Avengers have robbed the X-men of their spotlight. Even to the point where the x-men have even been used as a device to make the Avengers look good.

Examples:

-X-men as minor characters in Marvel Events.

-Storm marries the Black Panther & joins the Avengers.

- Avengers vs X-men

-Return of the Phoenix and the Avengers decide to randomly make this their business. It even looks like Iron Fist is become a phoenix host..... Let's hope not. Not a sign of Jean anywhere.

-X-men First Class got amazing ratings and awards, but Marvel didn't release anything in support of the movie unlike previous x-films.

-Scarlet Witch depowering almost all the mutants on the planet.

-This is a personal one. Recently it seems some of the X-men have been downplayed and portrayed much differently compared to their 80s & 90s glorious counter parts. You all know which ones I am talking about.

Anyways, these are all just minor details apart of a bigger picture. Do you think Marvel is bitter they lost the X-men? Seems like charters such as Daredevil, Elektra, and the Fantastic Four have had their roles minimized a bit too in the same way.

The X-men are Marvel's Number 1 team. If memory serves correctly, nobody gave a flying crap about the Avengers until Marvel/Disney gave them Max Spotlight.

This is unusual to me also, especially with the way that the X-Men are being written as the bad guys lately, despite the fact that fans love the X-Men.  Also, it seems like half of the X-Men are for some reason joining the Avengers more frequently than years ago.

They get $$$ for anything produced with the license. In fact, the company is contractually obligated to them, and by them to make more X-Men based films in a specific amount of time, as well as bring in a certain amount of profit. So another company put's up the finance and takes whatever losses, while Marvel/Disney only profits either way. If they really wanted too considering their lawyers, they could easily have the rights back. So I'm going to guess they're not even close to bitter.

The above examples are not because of who produces the X-Men nor Avengers films. That's something made up by people on the internet. It doesn't even hold up from an imaginary marketing angle.

Personally I don't feel that the X-Men are any less treated then normal (look at how many books they have, look at how X-characters are primary attractions in Avengers books, ect). It's just that the Avengers family has more attention that it has previously. People somehow confuse that with more than the X-Men, which is bad math. These examples you provided are not examples where Marvel specifically diminished the X-men in order to make the Avengers look better (that sounds ridiculous and childish just typing it), nor of promotion for one film due to who produces it. These are imagined facts. Marvel gets the money either way for their properties.

Look they get more money if the movie is a success and they produce it on the flip side if it flops they take no damage.

But I do get the feeling that the X-men are not treated with the proper respect in Events and also towards the end of the 90s we listened to Editorial tell us the X-men Line was too large and had to be culled now its expanded far beyond that point with way too many redundant and pointless books.

This is unusual to me also, especially with the way that the X-Men are being written as the bad guys lately, despite the fact that fans love the X-Men.  Also, it seems like half of the X-Men are for some reason joining the Avengers more frequently than years ago.

@Rabbitearsblog said:

This is unusual to me also, especially with the way that the X-Men are being written as the bad guys lately, despite the fact that fans love the X-Men.  Also, it seems like half of the X-Men are for some reason joining the Avengers more frequently than years ago.

Yes, Beast (Who was an Avenger a LONG time ago.), Wolverine and Storm make up half of the X-Men.

-X-men as minor characters in Marvel Events.

-Storm marries the Black Panther & joins the Avengers.

- Avengers vs X-men

-Return of the Phoenix and the Avengers decide to randomly make this their business. It even looks like Iron Fist is become a phoenix host..... Let's hope not. Not a sign of Jean anywhere.

-X-men First Class got amazing ratings and awards, but Marvel didn't release anything in support of the movie unlike previous x-films.

-Scarlet Witch depowering almost all the mutants on the planet.

-This is a personal one. Recently it seems some of the X-men have been downplayed and portrayed much differently compared to their 80s & 90s glorious counter parts. You all know which ones I am talking about.

Seems like charters such as Daredevil, Elektra, and the Fantastic Four have had their roles minimized a bit too in the same way.

 nobody gave a flying crap about the Avengers until Marvel/Disney gave them Max Spotlight.

They get $$$ for anything produced with the license. In fact, the company is contractually obligated to them, and by them to make more X-Men based films in a specific amount of time, as well as bring in a certain amount of profit. So another company put's up the finance and takes whatever losses, while Marvel/Disney only profits either way. If they really wanted too considering their lawyers, they could easily have the rights back. So I'm going to guess they're not even close to bitter.

@CATPANEXE said:

They get $$$ for anything produced with the license. In fact, the company is contractually obligated to them, and by them to make more X-Men based films in a specific amount of time, as well as bring in a certain amount of profit. So another company put's up the finance and takes whatever losses, while Marvel/Disney only profits either way. If they really wanted too considering their lawyers, they could easily have the rights back. So I'm going to guess they're not even close to bitter.

Thank you.....at least someone is knowledgeable, I can't tell you how many people always just say "eerr Fox owns the X-Men"........they own the movie rights, and make a pretty penny off the films, so I'm sure they are cool with it  research something people!!

Do people really need to do research though? Shouldn't this just be common sense?

@Vance Astro said:

Do people really need to do research though? Shouldn't this just be common sense?

You would think so...but, apparently not

@cattlebattle said:

@Vance Astro said:

Do people really need to do research though? Shouldn't this just be common sense?

You would think so...but, apparently not

...I was going to add a comment, but it was potentially "offensive".

@cattlebattle said:

@Vance Astro said:

Do people really need to do research though? Shouldn't this just be common sense?

You would think so...but, apparently not

...I was going to add a comment, but it was potentially "offensive".

@Vance Astro said:

@ReVamp said:

@cattlebattle said:

@Vance Astro said:

Do people really need to do research though? Shouldn't this just be common sense?

You would think so...but, apparently not

...I was going to add a comment, but it was potentially "offensive".

You have to do it now.

Not to get flagged and then get your ass to tell me off. It involved Rain though...

You're a smart guy, you know where it was going.

@poisonfleur

LOL, I always have considered Xmen more second rate heroes compared to Avengers.

- They are too busy still counting the $4 billion Disney paid for them even after farming out the rights to the X-Men movies

I feel the X-Men didn't play a huge role in Marvel events is because Marvel knows the X-Men can do well on their own and have their own events (Mesiah Complex, Nation X, Second Coming, Schism etc.) These events are push just about as much as the Marvel events are. To me, this would suggest Marvel has a lot of faith on the X-titles producing for them. I doubt if The Avengers and X-Men's roles were reversed, that Avengers would do as well as the X-Men and I suspect Marvel knows this. They aren't dumb a$$es.

I do understand the plight of the OP being an X-Men fan myself but I don't agree with all the statements he made.

@CATPANEXE said:

They get $$$ for anything produced with the license. In fact, the company is contractually obligated to them, and by them to make more X-Men based films in a specific amount of time, as well as bring in a certain amount of profit. So another company put's up the finance and takes whatever losses, while Marvel/Disney only profits either way. If they really wanted too considering their lawyers, they could easily have the rights back. So I'm going to guess they're not even close to bitter.

The above examples are not because of who produces the X-Men nor Avengers films. That's something made up by people on the internet. It doesn't even hold up from an imaginary marketing angle.

Personally I don't feel that the X-Men are any less treated then normal (look at how many books they have, look at how X-characters are primary attractions in Avengers books, ect). It's just that the Avengers family has more attention that it has previously. People somehow confuse that with more than the X-Men, which is bad math. These examples you provided are not examples where Marvel specifically diminished the X-men in order to make the Avengers look better (that sounds ridiculous and childish just typing it), nor of promotion for one film due to who produces it. These are imagined facts. Marvel gets the money either way for their properties.

Agreed. From a business perspective, Marvel is making a lot more money off of the license than trying to create their own movies. I know this to a certain extent because I've dealt with the Marvel licensing department on a couple of projects. I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel still had pre-approval rights over how their characters are shown in any movies that are created off of the license, so they get to have movies created using their characters, potentially make money off of the movies distribution and further gain notoriety for their brand while not having to shell out their own money to do it. It's how licensing works.

The Y2k and Plus generation of Marvel just doesn't get the X-men.

They're going for a whole bedspreads and tonka toys type appeal with their heroes now. They're only considered valuable as intellectual property if they appeal to 5 year olds within the space of 5 seconds. The X-men series I used to watch in the 90's and even X-men Evolution had a wide spectrum of characters, a whole landscape that was full of so many different possibilities but a genocide, one massive population-reducing hex, and a few massacres later they're a small group of paranoid nutzos actually following the orders of Scott and Wolvie like no one else ever had a thought otherwise. It's a shame too because they used to be socially relevant and now they're a reckless army of superpowered, watered down versions of what they once were.

Even the Avengers aren't quite what they were. Janet's dead, the Vision's dead, they took their sweet time bringing back Wanda and then her teammates tried to kill her for Dr. Doom's f-up...where's the heart in anything?

Look, kids watch the cartoons. But still...nobody's buying the comics. Marvel needs to play to the intellectual strength of the X-men and their other teams rather than trying these glorified "versus" titles and "events".

X-men First Class wasn't a blockbuster in the way Avengers will be but it brings some respect to the franchise, some sophistication. The X-men started the whole movie trend, all of the progress Marvel has made since would be hypothetical without it. The X-men held up Marvel for the 90's I'd say. Let's see that highlighted.

PS- Wolverine and the X-men (despite it's ridiculous title) puts the Avengers show to SHAME.

The Y2k and Plus generation of Marvel just doesn't get the X-men.

They're going for a whole bedspreads and tonka toys type appeal with their heroes now. They're only considered valuable as intellectual property if they appeal to 5 year olds within the space of 5 seconds. The X-men series I used to watch in the 90's and even X-men Evolution had a wide spectrum of characters, a whole landscape that was full of so many different possibilities but a genocide, one massive population-reducing hex, and a few massacres later they're a small group of paranoid nutzos actually following the orders of Scott and Wolvie like no one else ever had a thought otherwise. It's a shame too because they used to be socially relevant and now they're a reckless army of superpowered, watered down versions of what they once were.

Even the Avengers aren't quite what they were. Janet's dead, the Vision's dead, they took their sweet time bringing back Wanda and then her teammates tried to kill her for Dr. Doom's f-up...where's the heart in anything?

Look, kids watch the cartoons. But still...nobody's buying the comics. Marvel needs to play to the intellectual strength of the X-men and their other teams rather than trying these glorified "versus" titles and "events".

X-men First Class wasn't a blockbuster in the way Avengers will be but it brings some respect to the franchise, some sophistication. The X-men started the whole movie trend, all of the progress Marvel has made since would be hypothetical without it. The X-men held up Marvel for the 90's I'd say. Let's see that highlighted.

PS- Wolverine and the X-men (despite it's ridiculous title) puts the Avengers show to SHAME.