Hope should be the Phoenix!!!

#1 Posted by blastaar (97 posts) - - Show Bio

The ending to AvX was not what I expected. What was the point of Hope? What's was the point of building her up telling us that her destiny was to be the Phoenix only to take it away from her at the ending? I mean, it would have been really awesome if they just let her keep this powers. This was suppose to be her destiny, right? If Rachel Summers could be Phoenix as well as Jean Grey then why not Hope?. She of all mutants would have been able to control it and she showed that she could control it and they made a big deal about how she wsa going to become Phoenix in Cable, now Bishop has nothing to be mad about.

#2 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

glad to see you've paying attention to the series new guy. NOT. her only purpose was to make new mutants. thats it. not some great phoenix mutant. and she needed a LONG TIME to do THAT.

#3 Posted by John Valentine (16270 posts) - - Show Bio

@theTimeStreamer said:

her only purpose was to make new mutants. thats it. not some great phoenix mutant.

Pretty much this.

#4 Edited by Crimsonlord53 (1213 posts) - - Show Bio

If hope was the phoenix then marvel would have to kill her off and since no one gives a hoot about her they then could not tease a Hope return with a vision or dreams of the phoenix/Hope.

A bitter and pissed off jean fan.

#5 Posted by G_I_R_L (32 posts) - - Show Bio

@blastaar: Hope's only purpose was to create new mutants; that's it. There was no need for her to be next Rachel or Jean (considering Hope is essentially a rip-off hybrid of Rogue and Jean to begin with).

The character served her purpose. I would hope that we're through having to deal with her annoyances; she's close to Sentry-level dislike.

#6 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (2463 posts) - - Show Bio

i thought hope would be jean reborn but now idk what her purpose is........at least if hope was scott and jeans kid somehow ....i've lost all hope in marvel

#7 Posted by lykopis (10756 posts) - - Show Bio

@G_I_R_L said:

@blastaar: Hope's only purpose was to create new mutants; that's it. There was no need for her to be next Rachel or Jean (considering Hope is essentially a rip-off hybrid of Rogue and Jean to begin with).

The character served her purpose. I would hope that we're through having to deal with her annoyances; she's close to Sentry-level dislike.

Pretty much this except for Sentry-level dislike. Hope is nowhere near Sentry in regards to characters who were thrown under the bus by Marvel. She was all hype and uninteresting (boohoo --- I never got to wear a pretty hair-clip) whereas Sentry was a deeply flawed character who had potential to be more.

Anyway. Hopefully Hope gets sent to the Avengers Academy. It seems to be the collection bin of characters Marvel doesn't know what to do with any more.

#8 Posted by x_29 (2272 posts) - - Show Bio

Hope should go away...forever.

#9 Posted by papad1992 (6811 posts) - - Show Bio

Hope should be referred to as Hopeless!! She's totally irrelevant and has become a huge climatic fail!!

#10 Posted by Teerack (4549 posts) - - Show Bio

The Phoenix needs to not come back to earth.

#11 Posted by McKlayn (1008 posts) - - Show Bio

i dont like the way they did it but i totally agree we shouldn't see the Phoenix again for a loooong looong time, they totally ruined it this last time and i would prefer if they didn't piss on the stories of the past anymore. As far as Hope goes i think she has some potential as a character, especially if they actually tell exactly what the limit of her powers is and such, let her play with Cable and his X force some, and do some real development and not just be the girl with a purpose who doesn't really know how to achieve that purpose

#12 Posted by LipstickZombie (91 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Hope but she needs to USE HER FREAKING POWERS. At this point it's like the writers are like, "Take our word for it, they're awesome powers."

#13 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3274 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_29 said:

Hope should go away...forever.

@papad1992 said:

Hope should be referred to as Hopeless!! She's totally irrelevant and has become a huge climatic fail!!

Yes. She really has no purpose IMHO, at this point.

#14 Posted by sw04ca (25 posts) - - Show Bio

@McKlayn: Yeah, if Hope is going to be around, they really need to settle her into 'the gang' a bit and build some relationships with established characters. As it stands, she makes me think of the Joseph Magneto, a character who is standing in for another and who you know is going to come to an end sooner rather than later.

#15 Posted by papad1992 (6811 posts) - - Show Bio

@PhoenixoftheTides said:

@x_29 said:

Hope should go away...forever.

@papad1992 said:

Hope should be referred to as Hopeless!! She's totally irrelevant and has become a huge climatic fail!!

Yes. She really has no purpose IMHO, at this point.

Some could say her purpose is to have no purpose at all!!

#16 Posted by blastaar (97 posts) - - Show Bio

@papad1992 said:

@PhoenixoftheTides said:

@x_29 said:

Hope should go away...forever.

@papad1992 said:

Hope should be referred to as Hopeless!! She's totally irrelevant and has become a huge climatic fail!!

Yes. She really has no purpose IMHO, at this point.

Some could say her purpose is to have no purpose at all!!

No, Hope should have been the Phoenix. To have the Phoenix back on the X-Men would have been awesome. And then you can have hte dark phoenix saga all over again and somehow Jean gets reincarnated in that story. Anyways. I thought Hope was to become more, but like others have said, she has become kinda uesless now. After all the build up, after all.

#17 Posted by God_Spawn (35982 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree, she should be Phoenix. Meaning die and not come back for God knows how many years.

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#18 Posted by Matchstick (565 posts) - - Show Bio

No Hope shouldn't have kept the Phoenix Force, it would be boring story telling since we've all seen that story before with Jean. Now Hope has a new path and maybe they'll actually flesh out her character to more than "Jean lite". I'm glad they did it this way, it was unexpected.

#19 Posted by x_29 (2272 posts) - - Show Bio

@blastaar said:

@papad1992 said:

@PhoenixoftheTides said:

@x_29 said:

Hope should go away...forever.

@papad1992 said:

Hope should be referred to as Hopeless!! She's totally irrelevant and has become a huge climatic fail!!

Yes. She really has no purpose IMHO, at this point.

Some could say her purpose is to have no purpose at all!!

No, Hope should have been the Phoenix. To have the Phoenix back on the X-Men would have been awesome. And then you can have hte dark phoenix saga all over again and somehow Jean gets reincarnated in that story. Anyways. I thought Hope was to become more, but like others have said, she has become kinda uesless now. After all the build up, after all.

That would have been a terrible idea.

#20 Posted by papad1992 (6811 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_29 said:

@blastaar said:

@papad1992 said:

@PhoenixoftheTides said:

@x_29 said:

Hope should go away...forever.

@papad1992 said:

Hope should be referred to as Hopeless!! She's totally irrelevant and has become a huge climatic fail!!

Yes. She really has no purpose IMHO, at this point.

Some could say her purpose is to have no purpose at all!!

No, Hope should have been the Phoenix. To have the Phoenix back on the X-Men would have been awesome. And then you can have hte dark phoenix saga all over again and somehow Jean gets reincarnated in that story. Anyways. I thought Hope was to become more, but like others have said, she has become kinda uesless now. After all the build up, after all.

That would have been a terrible idea.

I second that!! I'm on a strike for no more stories about Jean or the Phoenix all together. She should be honored as a role model and such, not the constant nagging and longing of having her return so other deserving characters are put back into the background!

#21 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1120 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually think now Hope has the potential to be a very interesting character. Her entire life she has been on the run or part of some conspiracy or war for the fate of mutantkind, only to find that her destiny ended at 17, now what?

She has gone from the center of attention to now an afterthought, how does she define the rest of her life from this point on? I'm 90% sure she will just get tossed into limbo or the background, but i would love to see them explore what someone does with her free of all the Phoenix BS

#22 Posted by shiesse (6 posts) - - Show Bio

why dont they just kill hope, or something

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