Gambler's X-Men Thread

#5202 Posted by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

R.I.P. Bobkat.

#5203 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine said:

R.I.P. Bobkat.

Bury this relationship deep, marvel. It was a cultural disaster.

#5204 Edited by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

How was it a cultural disaster?

#5205 Posted by judasnixon (6227 posts) - - Show Bio
@John Valentine: Man you scared the crap out of me. I thought Bobcat Goldthwait died.....
#5206 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine said:

How was it a cultural disaster?

It was a half hearted lazy attempt to bring to characters together. There wasn't the slightest bit of chemistry.

#5207 Posted by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry said:

@John Valentine said:

How was it a cultural disaster?

It was a half hearted lazy attempt to bring to characters together. There wasn't the slightest bit of chemistry.

It's worked in 1610 and Wolverine and The X-Men.

Fundamentally, I liked the idea of the relationship, truth be told.

#5208 Posted by unicornpuncher (418 posts) - - Show Bio

whos bobkat?

#5209 Posted by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

@unicornpuncher said:

whos bobkat?

Iceman and Kitty's relationship.

#5210 Posted by unicornpuncher (418 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine: Oh god, that whole thing was so forced and awful

#5211 Posted by danhimself (22305 posts) - - Show Bio

man I wish that Xtreme X-men wasn't getting canceled

#5212 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7266 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

man I wish that Xtreme X-men wasn't getting canceled

I hear you.

#5213 Posted by danhimself (22305 posts) - - Show Bio

@AgeofHurricane said:

@danhimself said:

man I wish that Xtreme X-men wasn't getting canceled

I hear you.

it's not the best X-title but man I really enjoy reading it and it's made me really like Dazzler

#5214 Posted by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@danhimself said:

man I wish that Xtreme X-men wasn't getting canceled

I hear you.

it's not the best X-title but man I really enjoy reading it and it's made me really like Dazzler

It's better than Astonishing X-Men, that's for sure. It's a shame. I would have liked it to have lasted for at least another year. Plus it has to tie into that stupid AoA rehash as it ends.

#5215 Posted by danhimself (22305 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine said:

@danhimself said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@danhimself said:

man I wish that Xtreme X-men wasn't getting canceled

I hear you.

it's not the best X-title but man I really enjoy reading it and it's made me really like Dazzler

It's better than Astonishing X-Men, that's for sure. It's a shame. I would have liked it to have lasted for at least another year. Plus it has to tie into that stupid AoA rehash as it ends.

and Astonishing X-men which I have to say has been one of the most boring books ever outside of Wood's adjectiveless run

#5216 Posted by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

@John Valentine said:

@danhimself said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@danhimself said:

man I wish that Xtreme X-men wasn't getting canceled

I hear you.

it's not the best X-title but man I really enjoy reading it and it's made me really like Dazzler

It's better than Astonishing X-Men, that's for sure. It's a shame. I would have liked it to have lasted for at least another year. Plus it has to tie into that stupid AoA rehash as it ends.

and Astonishing X-men which I have to say has been one of the most boring books ever outside of Wood's adjectiveless run

Astonishing X-Men should have just died when Whedon left. I mean, I can't think of another arc that I've really enjoyed that much. Greg Pak's arc was decent but no way near as good.

Now with Liu writing it's just awful.

The only X-Titles I'm excited to read at the moment are Uncanny X-Force Vol. 2, All-New X-Men and, next month, Uncanny. I also like X-Factor.

Cable and X-Force is boring as hell and WaTXM's just stupid. No interest in X-Men.

#5218 Posted by x_29 (2274 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm glad X-treme X-men is getting canned. Book was just bad.

#5219 Posted by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

Really losing interest in Marvel in general at the moment.

#5220 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine: I concur. I've bought a handful of comics since Uncanny ended.

#5221 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1144 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine said:

Really losing interest in Marvel in general at the moment.

Welcome to my world

#5222 Posted by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

@Brazen_Intellect said:

@John Valentine said:

Really losing interest in Marvel in general at the moment.

Welcome to my world

Uncanny X-Men was okay. Not amazing and definitely not worth the price tag on the front. Blergh.

X-Treme X-Men was good.

CaXF and WaTXM are just dire.

#5223 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually thought CaXF was fantastic this week. Hopefully the time jumping stops.

I thought Uncanny was god awful.

#5224 Posted by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry said:

I thought Uncanny was god awful.

Why? It felt kind of an empty read. Classic Bendis decompression.

#5225 Posted by chasereis (794 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine: No book marvel publishes is worth $3.99, brudda. Unless Alan Moore and Frank Miller write it and Jim Lee and Joe Mad draw it, yet I buy them anyway like damned fool.

#5226 Posted by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

@chasereis said:

@John Valentine: No book marvel publishes is worth $3.99, brudda. Unless Alan Moore and Frank Miller write it and Jim Lee and Joe Mad draw it, yet I buy them anyway like damned fool.

Some are nearer that level of worth than others.

#5227 Posted by chasereis (794 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine: True, but the digital price the same as the print copy really burns me up though. Who do they think they are fooling?

#5228 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1144 posts) - - Show Bio

The X-books have always varied in quality depending on the era, but has it ever been this bad overall? Even the bright light of the bunch (X-Factor) has begun to lose its way and luster

#5229 Edited by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

@Brazen_Intellect said:

The X-books have always varied in quality depending on the era, but has it ever been this bad overall? Even the bright light of the bunch (X-Factor) has begun to lose its way and luster

I thought pre-AvX and post-Schism was a pretty good time. Also, Uncanny X-Force Vol. 1. Certainly better than post-MC to SC.

X-Factor hasn't been as good as it was since Messiah Complex, really. I still like it.

@chasereis said:

@John Valentine: True, but the digital price the same as the print copy really burns me up though. Who do they think they are fooling?

I don't mind if I get a digital download and a comic for $3.99 - that kind of seems like a vaguely fair trade-off. Makes it slightly better and could sway me into buying the issue if it's a series I like. But a digital comic for nearly the same price as print is taking the piss.

#5230 Edited by chasereis (794 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine: I guess. I view it as get the digital download for (1.99) or something and save space, but I can be a bit of a stickler on that so dont mind me.

EDIT:

@John Valentine said:

Really losing interest in Marvel in general at the moment.

Wish I would have saw this earlier. You sir are a poet, a scholar and fine judge of scotch. I used to be such a marvel zombie too, but let's ask...

ME - "DC Comics...what is best in life?"

DC COMICS- "Crush your Enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of the women in the refrigerator."

#5231 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine: I felt like the Magneto twist was expected and already I can pretty much tell that it's one of those 'Scotty' type of plans. Pretty lame.

I dunno. Maybe I liked Cable & X-force because they actually spit it all out this time around and it didn't stink? -Shrugs- Plus there was another boom boom reference and I like boom boom.

#5232 Posted by DarkxSeraph (672 posts) - - Show Bio

"DC COMICS- "Crush your Enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of the women in the refrigerator.""

Oh, poor Kyle. *sigh*

I remember when he got his ring in an alleyway. Heh. Nostalgia.

#5233 Posted by chasereis (794 posts) - - Show Bio

@DarkxSeraph: I know it was bad, but damn. It was iconically bad, like Waterworld or Rob Liefeld 501 Jeans. You just HAVE to like it.

#5234 Posted by xxxddd (3572 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambler: I believe X-Men should be completely retconned, with all current Marvel continuity(as well as Ultimate X-Men) eliminated, and have one X-Men title simply called "The X-Men," not "Uncanny X-Men."

Do you agree or disagree with this statement and why?

#5235 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7266 posts) - - Show Bio

@Rickbarry said:

@John Valentine: I felt like the Magneto twist was expected and already I can pretty much tell that it's one of those 'Scotty' type of plans. Pretty lame.

I dunno. Maybe I liked Cable & X-force because they actually spit it all out this time around and it didn't stink? -Shrugs- Plus there was another boom boom reference and I like boom boom.

Pls pls pls pls pls pls pls.

#5236 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1144 posts) - - Show Bio

@xxxddd said:

@Gambler: I believe X-Men should be completely retconned, with all current Marvel continuity(as well as Ultimate X-Men) eliminated, and have one X-Men title simply called "The X-Men," not "Uncanny X-Men."

Do you agree or disagree with this statement and why?

There is no retcon big enough to fix all the problems and BS from the past decade. Just revamp the line into a new direction and reference the 2000's as little as possible.

#5237 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

Are the Starjammers still a thing?

#5238 Posted by Ren_ (1678 posts) - - Show Bio
#5239 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ren_: They should be a thing again.

#5240 Posted by Ren_ (1678 posts) - - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite: I'd be into it.

#5241 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ren_: Bring them back as a new adventure series and bring back Exiles because Exiles is an awesome concept I need to read more of.

#5242 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1144 posts) - - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite:

When Marvel was really pushing good work out of the cosmic line I could see a Starjammers revival that might have legs, now that they have let that entire line fall apart again that would be a very hard sell.

#5243 Posted by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

@Brazen_Intellect: Darn, didn't think about that. Oh well there's always the future.

#5244 Posted by RawrImADragon (206 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@danhimself said:

man I wish that Xtreme X-men wasn't getting canceled

I hear you.

it's not the best X-title but man I really enjoy reading it and it's made me really like Dazzler

I agree and since it is ending it gives Dazzler a chance to hop into another book. I like her as a character and want to see her get utilized more.

#5245 Posted by xxxddd (3572 posts) - - Show Bio

@Brazen_Intellect: Revamp as in retcon.

#5246 Posted by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

@Brazen_Intellect said:

@xxxddd said:

@Gambler: I believe X-Men should be completely retconned, with all current Marvel continuity(as well as Ultimate X-Men) eliminated, and have one X-Men title simply called "The X-Men," not "Uncanny X-Men."

Do you agree or disagree with this statement and why?

There is no retcon big enough to fix all the problems and BS from the past decade. Just revamp the line into a new direction and reference the 2000's as little as possible.

Surely you don't mean such a thing? There has been a lot of great stuff in 2000s, much better than 1990s and a lot of 1980s, IMO.

#5247 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7266 posts) - - Show Bio

@RawrImADragon said:

@danhimself said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@danhimself said:

man I wish that Xtreme X-men wasn't getting canceled

I hear you.

it's not the best X-title but man I really enjoy reading it and it's made me really like Dazzler

I agree and since it is ending it gives Dazzler a chance to hop into another book. I like her as a character and want to see her get utilized more.

She's snagged for Bendis in ANXM/UXM. The joy.

#5248 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1144 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine said:

@Brazen_Intellect said:

@xxxddd said:

@Gambler: I believe X-Men should be completely retconned, with all current Marvel continuity(as well as Ultimate X-Men) eliminated, and have one X-Men title simply called "The X-Men," not "Uncanny X-Men."

Do you agree or disagree with this statement and why?

There is no retcon big enough to fix all the problems and BS from the past decade. Just revamp the line into a new direction and reference the 2000's as little as possible.

Surely you don't mean such a thing? There has been a lot of great stuff in 2000s, much better than 1990s and a lot of 1980s, IMO.

Afraid so, yes certain characters have seen great moments and fanfare, but the majority of the X-verse is a disaster and 10 characters have been maligned for every one improved. While the 2000's have surely not been stale, the constant change and sometimes moronic plots and characterization are not as fond a memory for me as it seems for you.

The X-line needs a revamp, not a return to the past (whatever decade), which is not driven by only a handful of characters and have as little Bendis and Fraction as possible.

#5249 Posted by John Valentine (16306 posts) - - Show Bio

@Brazen_Intellect said:

@John Valentine said:

@Brazen_Intellect said:

@xxxddd said:

@Gambler: I believe X-Men should be completely retconned, with all current Marvel continuity(as well as Ultimate X-Men) eliminated, and have one X-Men title simply called "The X-Men," not "Uncanny X-Men."

Do you agree or disagree with this statement and why?

There is no retcon big enough to fix all the problems and BS from the past decade. Just revamp the line into a new direction and reference the 2000's as little as possible.

Surely you don't mean such a thing? There has been a lot of great stuff in 2000s, much better than 1990s and a lot of 1980s, IMO.

Afraid so, yes certain characters have seen great moments and fanfare, but the majority of the X-verse is a disaster and 10 characters have been maligned for every one improved. While the 2000's have surely not been stale, the constant change and sometimes moronic plots and characterization are not as fond a memory for me as it seems for you.

The X-line needs a revamp, not a return to the past (whatever decade), which is not driven by only a handful of characters and have as little Bendis and Fraction as possible.

I'm going to disagree.

On the whole, I've liked the 2000s (Morrison's New X-Men, Astonishing, Academy X, Carey's Pre-MC X-Men, PAD's X-Factor, Uncanny X-Force and Gillen's Uncanny, specifically).

Hell, I even like where Marvel's been taking Cyclops since Decimation, even if I'm not 100% happy with the execution.

I do, agree, however, that a revamp of the X-line would be beneficial. Marvel NOW! isn't fundamental enough.

#5250 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84628 posts) - - Show Bio

@xxxddd said:

@Gambler: I believe X-Men should be completely retconned, with all current Marvel continuity(as well as Ultimate X-Men) eliminated, and have one X-Men title simply called "The X-Men," not "Uncanny X-Men."

Do you agree or disagree with this statement and why?

I'm so behind on the X-Men these days I really couldn't give you an intelligent answer.

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