Everything shouldn't be honky-dory between Hope and Cable in CAXF

#1 Posted by SummersBlood (31 posts) - - Show Bio

Before I directly address the topic of this post, I feel compelled to re-iterate how completely ridiculous the plot thread was in AvX where somehow Spiderman is more qualified than Cable to train Hope in handling the Phoenix. Even Keiron Gillen acknowledged in a recent interview that the legitimacy of that whole set-up was questionable. Cable was raised by Rachel Summers, aka The Phoenix, so I'd imagine he'd have a thing or two to say on the subject. And before you say "well, Peter was really just teaching her the old great power/responsibility" spiel, I find it extremely unlikely that this was not pounded into her skull every single day of her life by a man who has possessed God-level powers and knows exactly the cost of one's actions.

All that aside, the real crux of the issue here is that Cable trained Hope her entire life, and when the time came for her to live up to her father's legacy, she balked. Faced with the Phoenix-force on the moon, she just caved and suddenly became an insecure teenager (Hope's characterization has wildly fluctuated over the years, so I guess it's no surprise she see-saws between hardened survivor and typically clueless teenager, but still.....) She had the opportunity to make her father proud and instead she royally screwed it up. Now, okay fine, Marvel...you want your teenage audience to identify with Hope, I get it..... but you know what happens when children fail to live up to their parents' expectations? Generally the parents are kinda disappointed. So I guess it just kinda upsets me to see Hope getting all mad at Cable for....what exactly? Letting her live her own life? But anyway, she gets to be mad at him, and he just takes it all in stride, with nary a word of "hey kid, you really forgot everything I ever taught you right when it counted most...I'm quite disappointed in you." In fact, throughout this constant back and forth argument of "Scott was right....No Cap was right!!!!" nobody seems to be assigning any blame at all to Hope. I would really just like Dennis Hopeless to have the Cable/Hope dynamic in CAXF a little less rosy and a little more complex.

#2 Posted by _slim_ (13075 posts) - - Show Bio

Honky-dory lol.

#3 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

Cable shouldn't be the one to assign blame to Hope for this, he's her father, I think if anything it would be far easier for him to forgive her than Cyclops or any other mutant.

#4 Posted by x_29 (2274 posts) - - Show Bio

True. Then again there was nothing really honky-dory about that first issue in general.

#5 Posted by danhimself (22480 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think there was anything wrong with her reaction....no matter what she's been through she's still a teenage girl and she was faced with a cosmic entity that wanted to possess her...there's nothing wrong with being afraid of that

#6 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

whyd you have to go and bring race in to it?

#7 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7282 posts) - - Show Bio
It's not
#8 Posted by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

@AgeofHurricane said:

It's not

F*CK YEAH!

#9 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@papad1992 said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

It's not

F*CK YEAH!

thats really jean disguised as hope lol..........JK

#10 Posted by joshmightbe (24876 posts) - - Show Bio

This is the first time I've heard the term Hunky Dory outside of television where it didn't come from my grand mother

#11 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (7729 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

This is the first time I've heard the term Hunky Dory outside of television where it didn't come from my grand mother

Same.

#12 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1144 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on their shared past, I do not think their relationship will ever be smooth sailing. Two Type A personalities are always going to butt heads at one time or another, it's inevitable.

#13 Posted by XsPectre28 (719 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman was chosen for his "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" theme i didnt feel spiderman was qualified at all it should have been rachel but i understand the reason why he was picked

#14 Posted by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

@HopesummersFORtheFUTURE said:

@papad1992 said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

It's not

F*CK YEAH!

thats really jean disguised as hope lol..........JK

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