I like to think that they do, but unfortunately there is a lot of bad writers who screw up a characters power and their limit. On another note... AvX was really inconsistent, so its not the best argument.

@moywar700: Are you trying to imply that it is unusual or unjustified for someone to have a hard time taking down Captain-god#%$*&@-America? Because if so, you might want to reconsider. Cap is a legend, and for good reason. If you'd like just one example of his capabilities, I'll give you one of my favorites: Richard Ryder, the Nova that most of us are familiar with, spent three years mastering the cosmic powers contained in his helmet, and even then it nearly drove him mad. Cap mastered the Worldmind helmet, too...

In about five minutes. If you'd like proof, check the first Secret Avengers trade.

@moywar700: I wasn't trying to imply that Captain America had the Worldmind helm during his fight with Summers. What I was trying to demonstrate was his exceptional strength (both physical and mental), which allowed him to master the incredible energy in the helmet in a matter of minutes. And no, he is much more than just "a guy with a shield." You're only demonstrating a pervasive ignorance of the character now.

As far as Nova "sucking," I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean you dislike the character and aren't interested in his stories, then I guess he "sucks" in that sense. But he is a cosmic power. He contains the strength of the entire Nova Corps in his body alone. He could legitimately give Summers a run for her money, especially since Cap only had a chance against him after he donned the man's helmet. I feel like your favorite character in this situation is Summers, and therefore you're not allowing yourself to see any eventual outcome that doesn't involve her dropping a deuce on any other hero (or heroine) that attempts to tango with her. A bit silly.

@John Valentine: Again, Cap is not just a mortal man. Is he mortal in that he can find death by violence? Yes. But the similarities between him and us end there. He's not just like Batman, who is at the peak of human physical and mental conditioning, because the Super Soldier Serum pushes him well beyond that.

I'm not saying he should have won the fight against Summers (and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe he did), but he is certainly no pushover.

@xmentas: Well, that's the thing, though. He's not just "a little" above the average man. An Olympic athlete is a little above the average man. Batman is a bit above an Olympic athlete, in terms of ability and fitness. Captain America is way above Batman in those fields (where Batman would trump him would be in his investigative abilities and intuition). I guess folks have begun to underestimate what the Super Soldier serum is capable of. And again, I don't believe Cap won in the fight against Summers, unless I've misinterpreted what's been said. I haven't read the fight in question, but I am familiar with both characters, and while I agree that ultimately, Summers would win out with her powers, she wouldn't (as seems to be implied here) beat the holy hell out of Cap without him getting a hit in. And one last thing:

@xmentas said:

... all he can do to harm people is hit them with his shield.

You've got to know that's just wrong. A punch from Cap, to the average man, would be like getting hit with a small car.

EDIT: Also, that shield is made of vibranium, the toughest, most resilient metal known to man. Getting hit with it wouldn't be like getting hit with a piece of iron, or even steel. It would hurt more. A whole lot more.

@Jonny_Anonymous: Well, that's the thing... Neither of those are "PIS" (whatever that means... I'm assuming something akin to "bull#@$%"), they're simply examples of what Captain America can do. Maybe instead of looking at each demonstration of Cap's abilities and saying "oh, there's no way he could do that!" one should re-evaluate what they believe Cap is capable of. Because he deserves a whole lot more credit than this thread seems willing to give.

@Jonny_Anonymous: Yes, Cap is a favorite of mine, but you'll notice I have never said that he should have won against Summers. In fact, I believe I've said in almost every single post I've made in this thread that it was right and proper that he eventually lost. The only argument I was making was that it was right that he put up a fight. And it was. I'm not sure what your second post is referring to. I'm fairly certain the first bit is in reference to his death after Civil War, but I can't tell about the second bit. Maybe some context would be helpful.

Also, what superhero hasn't been submitted to mind control at some point throughout their tenure?

@Jonny_Anonymous: I agree with you there. Was there any explanation for it? Maybe Cap's suit dispersed the energy, or it traveled to his shield and fizzled? I don't know. I don't have an explanation for that one. Like I said, he's one of my favorites, but I do have my expectations for him in check.

@TheCrowbar: You're already half right.

@Veitha said:

Well, AvX is full of PIS... Rachel Grey could beat Cap without taking a hit, and when Cap was charged by Gambit, well he should have lost the fight, or Remy could have used the ipnotic charm to controll him(but I don't think writers even know about that lol). The same can be said for Namor vs The Thing, Magneto vs IronMan, Magik vs Black Widow(seriously, Illyana could have killed her in a blink), Storm vs Black Panther and... Well, about every fight happened in AvX lol.

Gambit's charm power doesn't work that way. Also I've had it pointed out to me by a friend...yes Gambit is fighting Cap, but come the heck on. Cap is a living legend in the Marvel U and Gambit is not trying to murder Captain America. So yeah, it's a little stupid that the explosion didn't do anything, but it would be strange and pretty out of character if Gambit wasn't holding back in that fight, so if he miscalculated how much charge he was putting into the armor versus how much of it Cap could tank...well that happens. If Doom can create tech to give Magneto's powers trouble, so can Tony. Magik is just against some random woman, why would she feel the need to summon all her considerable power against a foe of that caliber. Storm and Panther were married and while not exactly happily at that point, you don't decide to just hit the man you love with lightning or with a hurricane.

I'm not trying to stick up for the crap fest that was AvX but come on. Everyone knows this was the fanboy, plot comes second, toy box and people need to get over it honestly.