Magnus, you sneaky, SNEAKY bastard !

Of all the people, I never expected Magneto to be the traitor mole in Cyclops' team ! But looking at the bright side, I think we will see the return of old-school Scott soon. As it seems like Marvel has put Cyke on the road to redemption and going back to his roots as the Mutant Boy-Scout. At least that's what Magnus' goal appears to be...

yeah when i open the book and seen the man sitting in the chair, i knew that was Magnus. So and instead guessing who that was in the book, and i was pretty much asking myself "why is he at shield?" When his birthright(pride) came into the equation, it all made sense.

Wonder why he's bald now... probably something to do w/ the side effects of the Phoenix Force I guess.

You have to remember though, Cyclops is an expert strategist - probably the most skilled in that field in the MU. Taking that into account, I'm not 100% convinced this isn't a setup. Also you have to remember - how did Magneto get there? Remember SHIELD said he just appeared out of nowhere... almost like he was teleported. Unless Magik (or Tempus) is turning against Cyclops also - which is highly doubtful - I call shenanigans.

What I REALLY hope doesn't happen is Cyclops dying. It would really suck if they killed Scott off. I have a feeling that after Mystique revealed her plan, this might be one of the possibilities. Current Scott martyring himself after the O5 talk some sense into him then go back to their own timeline, seems to be where all this is headed.

@chasereis: Maybe, but thats just a theory. I dont think they'd actually kill that guy. Cyclops is the face of X-Men. If there's one guy who will carry on the legacy of Xavier, it's gonna be Scott. Just redeeming him is OK with me. It does seem like the better option IMO.

And this is comics. Dead people dont stay dead for long. Maybe the O5 Cyclops will kill him & take his place. But yeah, Uncanny X-Men without Cyclops is just not gonna cut it. Think about it, they killed off Peter Parker, Superman, Robin, etc., but they always return one way or another, you can't have their comics without the leading person. i'm sure Xavier will return too.

@chasereis: Yeah X-Men without Cyclops is gonna be something like Doc Ock in Peter Parker's body. Regardless of Wolverine having a school of his own, Uncanny X-men team needs a leader, and not even Magneto can take Cyke's place. It's like Avengers without Captain America & Iron Man.

Jean died because she is NOT the heart & soul of the team, the team ( and mutant population ) can go on without her, but without Cyclops, crap is gonna hit the fan for everyone.

I'm reading it right now and... Wow, I didn't expect this, absolutely.

But this is bad writing, really. Mags likes Cyclops more than he liked Charles, he helped him to escape from prison!! If he wanted to destroy him, he could have just left him in that jail.

X-Men went quite a while without Scott at the Helm. Uncanny's particular team, however, was made specifically for him and this story.

To say that X-Men in particular could not survive without him is a fallacy. Cyke has become a cool character (and really not the cardboard cutout leader he was in th e90s), but to say that everything in Mutantdom rests on him being around is the epitome of fanboy crush.

It survived without him in the spotlight before. It can do so again.

As far as 'fixing' Cyclops... this current continuity of Scott is the most dynamic and interesting he has been in decades. The bland scott was worn out and really just blah. This new, edgier individual he has become is what made him popular. His downward spiral has made him a more realistic individual.

Someone commented in another thread that they liked him because he took tragedy after tragedy on the chin and kept moving on-- the way he did so (with no adverse effects on his moods, etc) is extremely unrealistic and unbelievable. No one emerges from trauma of the type he has been through unscathed. Now, we finally get to see and have watched how it all just began to effect him--which has been awesome.

Sure, bring him back to a more Xavier-esque line of thought... but taking away his edge will take away what has made him both believable and popular again.

@DarkxSeraph: Actually, the responsibility of all of Mutantdom does rest on his shoulders. He actually is giving all the mutants a fighting chance now. He did save all of mutantkind. People are now supporting him and wearing their "Cyclops were right" shirts for a reason.

Actually, neither the X-Men, nor the Avengers won AvX. Cyclops won AvX.

@danhimself said:

@Veitha said:

I'm reading it right now and... Wow, I didn't expect this, absolutely.

But this is bad writing, really. Mags likes Cyclops more than he liked Charles, he helped him to escape from prison!! If he wanted to destroy him, he could have just left him in that jail.

he helped him escape before he knew that his powers were screwed up....Magneto has always reveled in his powers and his control over them...to have them screwed up and almost completely out of control is a huge hit to his ego and he's obviously blaming Cyclops for that

But he doesn't just accuse Cyke because of his powers, he's called him a murderer and he said that he's not the mutant savior but he will destory the mutant race. Someone doesn't change his own opinion this fast lol even if he has just discovered that he's lost his powers. I could accept him being angry with Scott because of this, but the other things he said were completely out of character.

The one thing that bugs me is why is Magneto's powers all wonky? He was never a part of the Phoenix Five disco dance team? I don't know if they explained it and I just missed it or what. I thought this issue was fine with a few exception for bad Dialogue, mostly out of Magik surprisingly. I'm pretty sure magneto is doing the whole double agent thing. I think its all part of Cyclops's master plan what ever that is.........

@Veitha: TBH, Hope Summers had the Phoenix Force, but it was Scott who fought off the Avengers and actually put the phoenix force to use for the mission it intended to carry out. He is more of the mutant messiah than Hope ever was.

"Cyclops Was Right." LOLOLOLOL

"Scott's roll in AvX was ultimately one of someone who did what was needed. Several other characters could have fit that mold if Cyke was not available, for instance."

I gotto disagree with you on that one, man. No other person could have done what Cyke did. It's not just about doing what's needed, it's making the hard, almost impossible decisions that others will hate you for but still going ahead with it, because you feel it's the right thing to do.

That is exactly what Mystique told Young Scott, and although she was manipulating him in other ways, telling the Cyke of Zurr-En-Arrh what he's really all about was the part where she DIDN'T lie.

@danhimself said:

@Veitha said:

@danhimself said:

@Veitha said:

I'm reading it right now and... Wow, I didn't expect this, absolutely.

But this is bad writing, really. Mags likes Cyclops more than he liked Charles, he helped him to escape from prison!! If he wanted to destroy him, he could have just left him in that jail.

he helped him escape before he knew that his powers were screwed up....Magneto has always reveled in his powers and his control over them...to have them screwed up and almost completely out of control is a huge hit to his ego and he's obviously blaming Cyclops for that

But he doesn't just accuse Cyke because of his powers, he's called him a murderer and he said that he's not the mutant savior but he will destory the mutant race. Someone doesn't change his own opinion this fast lol even if he has just discovered that he's lost his powers. I could accept him being angry with Scott because of this, but the other things he said were completely out of character.

this might not be a sudden change though...he could have had this planned from the moment Cyclops killed Xavier...and helping him bust out of prison and joining him might just have been to cement that trust that Cyclops has in him...maybe Magneto wants a worse punishment than to have him just sitting in prison

I still think that this is very bad writing.

@Avenger85 said:

@Veitha: TBH, Hope Summers had the Phoenix Force, but it was Scott who fought off the Avengers and actually put the phoenix force to use for the mission it intended to carry out. He is more of the mutant messiah than Hope ever was.

"Cyclops Was Right." LOLOLOLOL

Yeah, I think it so. But Magnus doesn't, and that's the strangest thing.

I know I've said this before, but Chris Bachalo's art doesn't fit the tone of this book. No disrespect to Bachalo he is a fine artist. I just would like to see someone else draw this book.....

It's a set up.

yo've dissappointed me Magnus. I think it could be (please be) a con of cyclops but it's not so out of character for magneto to act different when something happens to his powers. Also I've got a theory on power affection phoenix. More like an observation actually. See whose powers are affected badly? Emma, Piotr and Cyclops. Whose powers are not affected or improved? Namor and Magik. See the algorithm there? no, eh? So it seems like only people who feels responsible and regrets what they did with phoenix has lost their control over their power. Who doesn't feel regret about them hasn't affected or get power improvement. So that's what I think

@DarkxSeraph said:

Actually, the responsibility of all of Mutantdom does rest on his shoulders. He actually is giving all the mutants a fighting chance now. He did save all of mutantkind. People are now supporting him and wearing their "Cyclops were right" shirts for a reason.

Oh, dear god. Yes... okay... so, let's scrap all the X-Men books not starring Scott, then, shall we? He's all they need.

The sheer truth of the matter that so many Die-hard Scott fans refuse to admit is that he's a figure head and a central character, yes... but he's only one of many in the mutant/human conflict. He just took a really hard line.

Scott decided to go straight offensive and defensive, while Logan and the JGSHL is going the old Xavier route... but if anyone thinks those kids will die or be lost without a Scott Summers out there doing what he is doing now, they are horribly deluded. In the 80s and 90s Scott played some roles, sure.. but he was ultimately replaceable by someone else entirely. He wasn't integral. The books will not fall apart without him. He could die right now and it would be a ripple. No end of mutantdom. No fall of the mutants. Same with Wolverine. Or Magneto... etc, etc. Scott's roll in AvX was ultimately one of someone who did what was needed. Several other characters could have fit that mold if Cyke was not available, for instance.

You're terribly mistaken Scott is the true face of the Xmen the onje true leader there are no substitutes, no stand ends . There is not one single mutant out ther that could rally the majority of mutants under one cause, none. Scott is the heart and Soul of the Xmen, I don't know what you've been reading in the 80's and 90's but you've got it wrong. In time and remember I told you this personally, that the majority of the Xmen nwill once again fall in place under his leadership in time. Scott Summers is the Captain America of the Xmen, and even Cap fell from grace a few times. Like Cap inspires the Avengers,Scott inspires the Xmen like no other, remember that!

@DarkxSeraph: To each his own. To you he was a bland, cardboard character. To me, he was awesome. I like the stereotypical boy-scout scott.

Baldeto

@evilvegeta74: Yes exactly. You summed it up there. Cyclops is the Captain America of the X-Men. What these guys don't get at all is that you REQUIRE a Boy-Scout, or "that guy" to lead a team like the X-Men. Sometimes you need to be the hard-headed guy in order to lead a team as diverse as the X-Men. That guy did, what ? Shoot lasers out of his eyes ? But he still commanded the respect & support of almost all the mutants. Scott will be remembered for being the one true leader of the X-Men first, shooting lasers out of his eyes second. That guy really is the heart & soul of the X-men. Just like Captain America is to the Avengers.

I think the O5 Scott Summers will be the guy to close the gap between modern "edgy" Cyclops & old boyscout Cyclops, while still retaining enough of his old self. The current Scott has some issues, but he also has the sheer willpower & determination to redeem himself, once he learns that it is required, which the O5 will help him realize.

TBH when I first saw the guy sitting in the room at SHIELD, I thought it was Xavier, who somehow came back from the dead ( via the Phoenix Force) or faked his death, just to troll all of us lol.

@Avenger85 said:

@evilvegeta74: Yes exactly. You summed it up there. Cyclops is the Captain America of the X-Men. What these guys don't get at all is that you REQUIRE a Boy-Scout, or "that guy" to lead a team like the X-Men. Scott will be remembered for being the one true leader of the X-Men first, shooting lasers out of his eyes second. That guy really is the heart & soul of the X-men. Just like Captain America is to the Avengers.

I think the O5 Scott Summers will be the guy to close the gap between modern "edgy" Cyclops & old boyscout Cyclops, while still retaining enough of his old self. The current Scott has some issues, but he also has the sheer willpower & determination to redeem himself, once he learns that it is required, which the O5 will help him realize.

I agree sir

I also suppose Avenger, that you absolutely abhorred the X-Force run with Wolverine, Archangel, X-23, Wolfsbane, etc. There sure as hell were no boyscouts on that team... and the book sold like gangbusters.

@DarkxSeraph: No not really, X-Force is supposed to be that kind of team. When Cable was leading it there weren't any boyscouts either ( maybe cannonball).

Anyways, this is a point on which I am gonna always disagree with you on. You may call it fanboyism, blinders, not realistic etc. I just call it a different opinion.

Chasereis: just FYI: I can't @reply at work. I am running on an old version of IE that does not support the text editor or interface. I have to actually manually code line breaks and bolds, italics, etc in html to get them to go through.

I know how the reply feature works, though. thanks.

Anyhoo...

So Cyclops' optic blasts are now omni-directional! That blast just wrecked everything!

@John Valentine said:

Yeah, Magneto went to Shield because Scott wanted him too. I'm betting this is all part of Scott's plan.

Well, maybe you're right. Scott may be doing the same thing he was doing with Norman Osborn, making one of his teammates infiltrate amongst his enemies...

@chasereis: I think your last 4 sentences is exactly how Marvel is gonna make it. The O5 will play a MAJOR factor hin getting current Cyke back on track, before they inevitably go back to their own timeline. There are already 2 X-Men teams ( not counting the 2 X-Force teams), so their exit from the 616 universe is definitely gonna happen.

I am sure that young Scott & Jean will have a heart-to-heart conversation with Current Cyke, that will surely put him back on the path to redemption.

Le's face it : Pete Parker, Captain America & Scott Summers were meant to be boyscouts. Marvel is just putting Scott back in his place. I just hope young Scott puts both versions of Beast back in their place with a few optic blasts though lol.

What's sad is that maybe two years ago, I would have immediately suspected (along with a lot of people here) that Magneto is a double-agent for Scott, and we'd eventually see Scott's plan come together as he moves towards redemption.

Now, however, I'm well aware that Marvel writers regularly disregard prior canon and characterisation for the hell of it, and so it's a very real possibility that Magneto really is the traitor, and that Scott really does have no disregard for the lives of those around him. It's the first outright villainous thing he's done (using his optic blasts all around him with no control when there were many bystanders), and so maybe the writers have clocked on that even thought the X-Men and Avengers label Scott a villain, most of the readers do not, and thus they need to portray him being more evil.

Or maybe the Magneto at Shield is Mystique.

Magneto is playing a double agent this is a rouse

whether its a ruse or not, i just hope its not Marvel's way of backsliding Magneto into becoming a super villain again...