I don't follow single issues anymore, I always buy everything compiled as a Trade Paperback. I finished reading Second Coming last month and I've picked up a few Generation: Hope novels. Besides that, I'm waiting for Uncanny X-Force to hit paperback. 
 
Can anyone who is currently following the story through single issues tell me what's happening with Schism? The general story and why/how characters are at odds? I don't mind spoilers at all!

The Catholic Church wanted to keep em statues... The Orthodox wouldn't then.... Oh different Schism.. Nyehehe! Sorry for the trolling. :D

In short...Cyclops is being an a$$ and Wolverine is being a hypocrite.

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In short...Cyclops is being an a$$ and Wolverine is being a hypocrite.

@ReVamp: I think he means what happened with Idie AND what he's done with Laura

@ReVamp: I think he means what happened with Idie AND what he's done with Laura

@AgeofHurricane said:

@ReVamp: I think he means what happened with Idie AND what he's done with Laura

and he didn't want laura to be a killer. scott saw her as a weapon, but logan was an unwilling participant. he said if she wanna screw up her life (along with warpath) its their choice but he tried to warn them and was pissed at scott seeing her as a weapon.

@Edgeworth_11: It doesn't matter if he didn't want her to be a killer, he LET her be one and put her in an environment where it's all she could do, he's probably just as guilty as Cyclops if not more.

@ReVamp: I said Laur'A', what I'm trying to say is you know how Logan has so many daughters ? and Idie and Laura just being 2 out of them whom both have complex backgrounds, previously in Schism the new HellFire club raided some museum that Idie and Laurie (not Laura) happened to be in, Laurie ran off without Idie even though she told Idie to run and for some reason Idie stayed inside the building......she saw the A-Team of the X-Men get their asses handed to them, while this was happening Scott alerted Logan about the situation with the help of the Cuckoos, Logan was telling Idie to get out of the place as fast as she could but Scott wanted her to say and fight in the end she ended up killing the majority of enemies there and branded herself as a killer, the point is with Laura he ALLOWED it to happen, he may have cautioned her not to join but in the end Laura would have listened to what he had to say but Wolverine didn't say anything and was pissed at the fact that Cyclops was taking advantage of a situation that Logan brought Laura into when with Idie the same thing happened but this time he was majorly pissed and she ended up being a lost cause.

@Edgeworth_11: Everyone does unless their disabled, no Idie wasn't the last straw because Logan was merely minutes away from their, she could have hid a while longer before he came so that he could get the job done but no, Cyclops had to LIE to her by saying that they wouldn't make it in time putting courage in Idie and then that stupid speech, OF COURSE Logan knew of Laura's past but he could have HELPED her he could have done something !, he was the one that brought her to the X-Men in the first place and then shifted her into a covert killing team making her the out cast of some of her "friends", friends that Logan knew she needed when she first joined but friends he also pushed her away from, don't put words into my mouth, Schism is a great story but what Cyclops did was way out of line, idiot.

@AgeofHurricane: Yeah I was talking about Laura too. X 23.  But I guess that we simply disagree, Laura was amnipulated into doing what she did and believed she was helping some "nobler" cause and whatnot, he only allowed it to happen because he felt powerless to stop it as Laura wasn't listening to what he was saying. She had even reverted to her "machine" way of thinking.  The second thing is that Laura is a trained killer and has done much worse in her life, while Idie is just an innocent girl that ended up killing all those people. If Laura, for example, had been in that situation, she could have taken them out without killing them, because she has training and skill to back it up. Idie on the other hand was raised like a normal girl.

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@ReVamp: Uh'Huh.......Well i still think he should've talked her out of it or better still disbanded the team so that she wouldn't be a part of their mis-haps any more but I'm sure i don't need to go into detail about Idie, like "I'm a monster, and monsters should fight monsters" or "I wont burn in this life time, maybe the next" or w.e ,she's got her own way of thinking now that she has her powers because of her cultural background, not like any other American/European girl who has to worry about what they'll look like, etc.

@AgeofHurricane said:

@ReVamp: Uh'Huh.......Well i still think he should've talked her out of it or better still disbanded the team so that she wouldn't be a part of their mis-haps any more but I'm sure i don't need to go into detail about Idie, like "I'm a monster, and monsters should fight monsters" or "I wont burn in this life time, maybe the next" or w.e ,she's got her own way of thinking now that she has her powers because of her cultural background, not like any other American/European girl who has to worry about what they'll look like, etc.

1. He tried. Didn't Work. 2. Not possible, he knew X Force was necessary. Also it was beyond his control, if he disbanded it Cyclops would just send the others without him, as they believed hat they were doing to contribute to Mutant Kind.  3. I'm not sure what your point on Idie is? I thought we both agreed Wolverine wanted to keep her safe and so we were discussing about what he did with X... Right?

@ReVamp said:

@AgeofHurricane said:

@ReVamp: Uh'Huh.......Well i still think he should've talked her out of it or better still disbanded the team so that she wouldn't be a part of their mis-haps any more but I'm sure i don't need to go into detail about Idie, like "I'm a monster, and monsters should fight monsters" or "I wont burn in this life time, maybe the next" or w.e ,she's got her own way of thinking now that she has her powers because of her cultural background, not like any other American/European girl who has to worry about what they'll look like, etc.

1. He tried. Didn't Work. 2. Not possible, he knew X Force was necessary. Also it was beyond his control, if he disbanded it Cyclops would just send the others without him, as they believed hat they were doing to contribute to Mutant Kind.  3. I'm not sure what your point on Idie is? I thought we both agreed Wolverine wanted to keep her safe and so we were discussing about what he did with X... Right?

1.Lmao. 2.I understand now. 3.Yes we have agreed.

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Things basically start off normal enough, Wolverine is suppose to spend some time with the Lights as in Hopes team, but decides to sleep instead or something, Cyclops actually taps him on the shoulder as they have this big country peace conference to attend, and it will have a lot of worlds various countries officials and representatives present, plus being filmed and all that. Wolverine will be like Scotts plus one. Cyclops addresses people at that conference and its alright, but then Kid Omega from Morrisons run shows up and whips out his power and then there was FIREFIGHT!!!!!! (Boondock Saints reference.. uhm) okay so no firefight buy Quintin telepathically makes all people there start telling nothing but the truth, just like that Jim Carey movie? Wolverine and Cyclops are forced to reveal their love for each other...  but anyway since Kid Omega has pink hair, we know he is mutant so all mutants blamed for what he did and lots of countries start preparing old Sentinel Fleets.  
 
Meanwhile... on the other side of town, like these 5 year old kids take over Hellfire Club. Then back to X-Men they dealing with aftermath of what Kid Omega done, Slim deploys X-Men to places old Sentinels malfunction and attack people. Wolverine does the whole tough guy on outside, big softie on inside as he buys Idie a Bratz doll. Cyclops decides to send a bunch of power houses to this Museum about X-Men, after it was pushed forward to quell anti mutant hysteria? Five year old Hell Fire Club guy is like... "yes. mwhahaha, I am so smart I knew they would move this event ahead... just like expected mwhahaha, ohhh ICarly is on, silence fools!"  oh anyway Cyclops sends a bunch of mutants to that to you know? Show humans that mutants are like.. into museums or something. Oh and Wolverine and Cyclops disagreeing about what to do with Kid Omega? Who actually shows up at X-Men, they disagree again, and then while Kid Omega off screen, Big Stevey Rogers calls. You know Cap Cap to the A to the A? He asks if they have found Kid Omega and Cyclops dishonors America by spitting lies right into the eyes of truth justice and the.. oh wait thats Superman, what's Steve Rogers one again? Anyway... Wolverine and Cyclops disagreeing again, so Wolverine decides to go get dunk and hire out some midget hookers instead of go to museum.  
 
Emma Frost, Magneto, Colossus, Namor, Iceman, Idie, Laurie, Kenji, all go museum and jive it up but then 4 five year olds run in and %$$%& PWN their a$$'s like a spite thread hardcore WTF ownaged curbstomp off the top rope Except Idie who hiding in the closet like R Kelly. Cyclops jumps on his jet pack and is on his way, Wolverine jumps on a dog and starts riding to museum as well. They have argument over what Idie should do. Blah blah etc etc Idie kills people and Wolverine and Cyclops starting to get more pissy at each other. Axel Rose rolls into page and starts singing November Rain.  

 Hope this helps... I mean it probably didn't but at least I was more detailed than other people lulz.  

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Things basically start off normal enough, Wolverine is suppose to spend some time with the Lights as in Hopes team, but decides to sleep instead or something, Cyclops actually taps him on the shoulder as they have this big country peace conference to attend, and it will have a lot of worlds various countries officials and representatives present, plus being filmed and all that. Wolverine will be like Scotts plus one. Cyclops addresses people at that conference and its alright, but then Kid Omega from Morrisons run shows up and whips out his power and then there was FIREFIGHT!!!!!! (Boondock Saints reference.. uhm) okay so no firefight buy Quintin telepathically makes all people there start telling nothing but the truth, just like that Jim Carey movie? Wolverine and Cyclops are forced to reveal their love for each other...  but anyway since Kid Omega has pink hair, we know he is mutant so all mutants blamed for what he did and lots of countries start preparing old Sentinel Fleets.  
 
Meanwhile... on the other side of town, like these 5 year old kids take over Hellfire Club. Then back to X-Men they dealing with aftermath of what Kid Omega done, Slim deploys X-Men to places old Sentinels malfunction and attack people. Wolverine does the whole tough guy on outside, big softie on inside as he buys Idie a Bratz doll. Cyclops decides to send a bunch of power houses to this Museum about X-Men, after it was pushed forward to quell anti mutant hysteria? Five year old Hell Fire Club guy is like... "yes. mwhahaha, I am so smart I knew they would move this event ahead... just like expected mwhahaha, ohhh ICarly is on, silence fools!"  oh anyway Cyclops sends a bunch of mutants to that to you know? Show humans that mutants are like.. into museums or something. Oh and Wolverine and Cyclops disagreeing about what to do with Kid Omega? Who actually shows up at X-Men, they disagree again, and then while Kid Omega off screen, Big Stevey Rogers calls. You know Cap Cap to the A to the A? He asks if they have found Kid Omega and Cyclops dishonors America by spitting lies right into the eyes of truth justice and the.. oh wait thats Superman, what's Steve Rogers one again? Anyway... Wolverine and Cyclops disagreeing again, so Wolverine decides to go get dunk and hire out some midget hookers instead of go to museum.  
 
Emma Frost, Magneto, Colossus, Namor, Iceman, Idie, Laurie, Kenji, all go museum and jive it up but then 4 five year olds run in and %$$%& PWN their a$$'s like a spite thread hardcore WTF ownaged curbstomp off the top rope Except Idie who hiding in the closet like R Kelly. Cyclops jumps on his jet pack and is on his way, Wolverine jumps on a dog and starts riding to museum as well. They have argument over what Idie should do. Blah blah etc etc Idie kills people and Wolverine and Cyclops starting to get more pissy at each other. Axel Rose rolls into page and starts singing November Rain.  

 Hope this helps... I mean it probably didn't but at least I was more detailed than other people lulz.  

@ReVamp:  *red* lol thanks... Personally, I was hoping Axel would sing Patience but November Rain was a solid choice as well.   On a more serious note, i think that would be so epic if comic books had more random cameos of characters who sort of just came on panel and started singing whilst the characters process an inner monologue. 

@AgeofHurricane:  
@ReVamp:   Yeah I would have replied sooner to contribute something...but I just got on and AgeofHurricane already said basically everything I was thinking(thanks for that :) it saves me time responding)...but another thing that bothered me was the fact that Wolverine was supposed to be at the museum in the first place, so he can't really pin it all on Scott, that being said Scott made a very bad call, that in the end might have been unnecessary since Wolverine was already on his way...

How is it his fault that he didn't show up at the museum with idie? 

Even if he wasn't there Idie would never have been forced to to kill other if it wasn't for Scott.

True, if Wolverine was there, there might be a chance that the X Men would not have been defeated (I doubt it, but still), it doesn't change anything. 

I'm not discussing the fact that it was Wolverine's fault or not that the X Men were "defeated", because that doesn't make him any less or more of a hypocrite. I'm discussing the fact that Cyclops forced Idie to kill people. 

I feel the only reason Wolverine is a good leader for X-Force because it's a team of killers takes one to know one so of course he's going to be a good choice. He isn't any better than Cyclops is now. To me this would have made a lot more sense had Storm and Cyclops been the two differing ideology's at least she wouldn't look like a huge hypocrite. It's mind boggling just how little things will change after this ends, Wolverine will just go back to making risky and worse Cyclop-esque decisions and will be back trying to klll others and expect others to change just for the sake of his new sidekick which is still calling the kettle black because you had taken many peoples innocence without a second glance and there are two other teen girls who could use your guidance just as much as idie there shouldn't be an expection for who you want to help.

@ReVamp said:

How is it his fault that he didn't show up at the museum with idie? 

I've already answered this.

Even if he wasn't there Idie would never have been forced to to kill other if it wasn't for Scott.

We agree on this 

True, if Wolverine was there, there might be a chance that the X Men would not have been defeated (I doubt it, but still), it doesn't change anything. 

We agree on this too :

I'm not discussing the fact that it was Wolverine's fault or not that the X Men were "defeated", because that doesn't make him any less or more of a hypocrite. I'm discussing the fact that Cyclops forced Idie to kill people. 

This isn't why he's a hypocrite...  At this point there is no reason to continue the discussion since AgeofHurricane already made my argument. IMO Wolverine is still a hypocrite, but we'll just have to agree to disagree :)

@TenguMan8: 
Sorry didn't get this in my PM box. But basically I don't think its fair to compare Armor to Idie, specially in that situation. Cyclops wanted a LIVE catch, what Wolverine was saying was that if it came down to it and I am quoting, then she should kill the enemy and not risk her life. Essentialy she is saying that her life is worth more than whatever quarry they were planning. Also, please note that Idie did NOT need to kill anyone to save her life. Cyclops "FORCED" her so to speak to kill them by manipulating her. 
Also, since they haven't seperated yet we don't know which idealogy is which, so please don't go making assumptions with that. Also, its apparent that Storm is with Cyke so she doesn't have anything against his ideaology which would lead me to believe that Wolverine has the most "aggressive" ideaology. 
 
I'm out for the night after this. 
@Avenging-X-Bolt: A hypocrite is someone who say one thing and acts in a manner that directly violates what they said. Being a bad parent doesn't mean that you do this. If I beat my kid (a fictional example), it doesn't make me a hypocrite unless I say beating children is bad.

The reason no one can agree about Schism is the contrived nature this split is suppost to be about. Yea Logan has a huge soft spot for wayward girls with the X-Men (not in a creepy pervert way either) but from what we have seen so far a disagreement over how Cyclops has guided some young X-Men as the source of this split is just plain stupid. The problem with Logan is over the last 5-10 years there have been so many writers with a different take on him that there is no consistent version of the character other than the claws. Some play up the lone wolf aspect, which is fine for the solo books, while others emphasize his surely  but friendly nature, while others focus on his fighting ability. The truth is found somewhere in the middle.  I have said this before but Aaron seems to play favorites in his writing and he portrays Logan in the most positive light in Schism, as if to make Cyclops look bad. Yes Cyclops instructions could have been more specific than "do what you fee you have too" but lets be honest that was bad writing on Aaron's part, and only served to move the plot along to get to the schism in the first place. Also while I am critiquing the 5 lights story has had very little training of these new comers which some of them desperately need. 
The whole argument that Wolverine is a hypocrite goes back to my earlier point that depending on who is writing him Wolverine has shows capacity for varying levels of destruction. In Schism Aaron is playing heavily on Wolverine as a mentor who is unhappy with how his charges are being treated, and pushed too far. But as we all know if the situation calls for it Wolverine is ready, willing and able to kill someone. As for the Cyclops is a dick camp, well they has always been a bit of a dick over the years but not as much as everyone seems to think. The whole tone of Schism is to create a rift in the X-Men so Marvel can have a new Wolverine title to add to their collection, so no matter what I think, I get the feeling Wolverine will come out of it as a new leader within the X-Men (no matter how forced and contrived it is) and Cyclops is left to pick up the pieces.

The reason no one can agree about Schism is the contrived nature this split is suppost to be about. Yea Logan has a huge soft spot for wayward girls with the X-Men (not in a creepy pervert way either) but from what we have seen so far a disagreement over how Cyclops has guided some young X-Men as the source of this split is just plain stupid. The problem with Logan is over the last 5-10 years there have been so many writers with a different take on him that there is no consistent version of the character other than the claws. Some play up the lone wolf aspect, which is fine for the solo books, while others emphasize his surely  but friendly nature, while others focus on his fighting ability. The truth is found somewhere in the middle.  I have said this before but Aaron seems to play favorites in his writing and he portrays Logan in the most positive light in Schism, as if to make Cyclops look bad. Yes Cyclops instructions could have been more specific than "do what you fee you have too" but lets be honest that was bad writing on Aaron's part, and only served to move the plot along to get to the schism in the first place. Also while I am critiquing the 5 lights story has had very little training of these new comers which some of them desperately need.  The whole argument that Wolverine is a hypocrite goes back to my earlier point that depending on who is writing him Wolverine has shows capacity for varying levels of destruction. In Schism Aaron is playing heavily on Wolverine as a mentor who is unhappy with how his charges are being treated, and pushed too far. But as we all know if the situation calls for it Wolverine is ready, willing and able to kill someone. As for the Cyclops is a dick camp, well they has always been a bit of a dick over the years but not as much as everyone seems to think. The whole tone of Schism is to create a rift in the X-Men so Marvel can have a new Wolverine title to add to their collection, so no matter what I think, I get the feeling Wolverine will come out of it as a new leader within the X-Men (no matter how forced and contrived it is) and Cyclops is left to pick up the pieces.

@Avenging-X-Bolt: 
Logan never said it was OK for Laura to kill.He might be making a bigger deal out of idie killing, but like I said they're two different people. 
@lorex said:

The reason no one can agree about Schism is the contrived nature this split is suppost to be about. Yea Logan has a huge soft spot for wayward girls with the X-Men (not in a creepy pervert way either) but from what we have seen so far a disagreement over how Cyclops has guided some young X-Men as the source of this split is just plain stupid. The problem with Logan is over the last 5-10 years there have been so many writers with a different take on him that there is no consistent version of the character other than the claws. Some play up the lone wolf aspect, which is fine for the solo books, while others emphasize his surely  but friendly nature, while others focus on his fighting ability. The truth is found somewhere in the middle.  I have said this before but Aaron seems to play favorites in his writing and he portrays Logan in the most positive light in Schism, as if to make Cyclops look bad. Yes Cyclops instructions could have been more specific than "do what you fee you have too" but lets be honest that was bad writing on Aaron's part, and only served to move the plot along to get to the schism in the first place. Also while I am critiquing the 5 lights story has had very little training of these new comers which some of them desperately need.  The whole argument that Wolverine is a hypocrite goes back to my earlier point that depending on who is writing him Wolverine has shows capacity for varying levels of destruction. In Schism Aaron is playing heavily on Wolverine as a mentor who is unhappy with how his charges are being treated, and pushed too far. But as we all know if the situation calls for it Wolverine is ready, willing and able to kill someone. As for the Cyclops is a dick camp, well they has always been a bit of a dick over the years but not as much as everyone seems to think. The whole tone of Schism is to create a rift in the X-Men so Marvel can have a new Wolverine title to add to their collection, so no matter what I think, I get the feeling Wolverine will come out of it as a new leader within the X-Men (no matter how forced and contrived it is) and Cyclops is left to pick up the pieces.

While there is some truth, not all of this is completely accurate. But its your opinion and I respect your opinion.

@Avenging-X-Bolt: What happened is basically Cyclops asked Idie (in a manipulative manner) to "take care" of some men and by that kill them. Wolvie was against it. He never was AGAINST Idie killing not for it.

@ReVamp said:

@Avenging-X-Bolt: What happened is basically Cyclops asked Idie (in a manipulative manner) to "take care" of some men and by that kill them. Wolvie was against it. He never was AGAINST Idie killing not for it.

this makes absolutely no sense.  you say he was against it and then say he was never against it.....

@ReVamp: I was ? >.>