Can Magneto Control Cyclops's Visor? (And Why Not?)

#1 Posted by gambitvoleur (12 posts) - - Show Bio

I was having a conversation with a friend and going down a list of X-men whose powers were undermined by Magneto's, most obviously Wolverine and Colossus, and then obliquely Rogue. But it occurred to me I've never seen Magneto manipulate Scott's visor, nor seen any in-comic explanation of why he can't. Has anyone? I know the visor is ruby-quartz, but the silver / gold part usually looks metal.

The image of Cyke trying to break Magneto's force field is one of the more distinctive, recurring images in X-men comics, but Magneto's move seems obvious. And the idea that "the metal isn't magnetic" is a bit lame...

#2 Posted by DH69 (4258 posts) - - Show Bio

I've always thought scotts visor was made of hard plastics to avoid just that situation.

#3 Edited by gambitvoleur (12 posts) - - Show Bio

@dh69:

Yeah, I suppose that has to be the answer. But it sure is shiny. I was just curious if they ever mentioned it specifically: it's the kind of thing that sometimes works its way into older comics as an editor's note to make curious fans shut up : ).

#4 Posted by CerealKiller (161 posts) - - Show Bio

he wouldn't hit a guy with glasses???

#5 Edited by Arkhamc1tizen (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah just read ultimatum

#6 Posted by Arkhamc1tizen (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah just read ultimatum

#7 Posted by papad1992 (6832 posts) - - Show Bio

@gambitvoleur: Good question... It never occurred to me, however I believe that the visor is made out of some type of metal (aluminum maybe). Maybe the reason this hasn't happened is because the writers didn't even think about it!

#8 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4704 posts) - - Show Bio

@gambitvoleur: I've been thinking about this, and I think it comes down to the fact that the visor itself isn't holding back Cyclops' beam -the lenses are. If Magneto knocks even one of those lenses out of place trying to hold the visor shut (or open, or try to just crush Cyclops' head with it, or whatever), the visor itself would most likely just be destroyed by the beam, giving him virtually no tactical advantage anyway.

But given that it was designed by Xavier, with the knowledge that it would most likely be aimed at Magneto eventually, it's probably made of a nonmagnetic alloy just in case.

#9 Posted by McKlayn (1092 posts) - - Show Bio

Yea i mean, cyclops is dangerous with the visor on. Do you really want to be fighting him without one? Doesn't seem like much of a plan ;D

#10 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4704 posts) - - Show Bio

@mcklayn said:

Yea i mean, cyclops is dangerous with the visor on. Do you really want to be fighting him without one? Doesn't seem like much of a plan ;D

well, it would put him at a disadvantage too, since he could only see what he was destroying. If there was anything in the area he didn't want destroyed, he'd be at least partially blinded.

#11 Edited by ThanosIsMad (2224 posts) - - Show Bio

@gambitvoleur: Good question... It never occurred to me, however I believe that the visor is made out of some type of metal (aluminum maybe). Maybe the reason this hasn't happened is because the writers didn't even think about it!

Things don't have to be magnetic for Magneto to mess with it. Everything has an electromagnetic field, and Magneto can mess with the EM spectrum. Magnetic objects are just easier for him to manipulate.

#12 Edited by papad1992 (6832 posts) - - Show Bio

@thanosismad said:

@papad1992 said:

@gambitvoleur: Good question... It never occurred to me, however I believe that the visor is made out of some type of metal (aluminum maybe). Maybe the reason this hasn't happened is because the writers didn't even think about it!

Things don't have to be magnetic for Magneto to mess with it. Everything has an electromagnetic field, and Magneto can mess with the EM spectrum. Magnetic objects are just easier for him to manipulate.

Well let's just nit-pick everything that's said! :P

#13 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

magneto likes using cars and stuff

#14 Posted by JonSmith (3996 posts) - - Show Bio

If you had a choice between fighting someone with the concussive force of a tank missile coming out of his eye sockets, or fighting the same person with A NUKE COMING OUT OF HIS FACE, which would you prefer?

Even if Magneto can control Scott's visor, Scott can control his blasts with the visor. Without it?

This would happen to Magneto. It is literally a difference between: "GUYS, DO THIS, THIS, AND THIS SO WE CAN BARELY WIN!" or "GUYS HE GOT MY VISOR! Get behind me." Even if it doesn't get through Magneto's shields, it'll still destroy a LOT of his environment, and probably knock a lot of Magneto's ammunition out of range.

#15 Posted by McKlayn (1092 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith said:

If you had a choice between fighting someone with the concussive force of a tank missile coming out of his eye sockets, or fighting the same person with A NUKE COMING OUT OF HIS FACE, which would you prefer?

Even if Magneto can control Scott's visor, Scott can control his blasts with the visor. Without it?

This would happen to Magneto. It is literally a difference between: "GUYS, DO THIS, THIS, AND THIS SO WE CAN BARELY WIN!" or "GUYS HE GOT MY VISOR! Get behind me." Even if it doesn't get through Magneto's shields, it'll still destroy a LOT of his environment, and probably knock a lot of Magneto's ammunition out of range.

exactly my point, yes it would impede scott to some degree, but the way it shows him and how familiar he is with his environment, and how tactical he can be i wouldn't chance, sure he might stand there and cover his eyes and hope not to hit some one, or he just might send a Nuke up your ass, is it really worth the risk?

#16 Posted by gambitvoleur (12 posts) - - Show Bio

@mcklayn: @jonsmith Well actually you guys are missing one thing. I didn't think Magneto would want to take off the visor. Think about it, the visor involves moving a shield of ruby quartz up and down, and Cyke presses a button to do that, right? If that involves metal I was thinking Magneto could just prevent Scott from ever opening it.

@thanosismad Yes I know they show Magneto manipulating other things besides metal (for instance, Beast) but I always found that to be a bit problematic. I mean if you consider gravity or magnetic fields all around the earth then there's a question as to why Magneto isn't just telekinetic about everything.

@oldnightcrawler: I like the comment that Xavier would have known about Mags when designing them; I didn't even think of that. Of course I was mostly reacting to the drawings because I think it's funny when the logic and the artwork work against each other.

@cerealkiller: funny!

#17 Edited by gambitvoleur (12 posts) - - Show Bio

@papad1992: I'm sure they don't! It's one of those silly, comic-geek things. To be honest, I only thought of it because a friend and I were coming up with a list of all the X-men whose powers are a disadvantage against Magneto. Wolverine, Colossus, Storm (if you count electricity or cold as helping Magneto's powers) and then we thought, "wait, can he control Cyclops's visor??" lol.

#18 Posted by oldnightcrawler (4704 posts) - - Show Bio

@oldnightcrawler: I like the comment that Xavier would have known about Mags when designing them; I didn't even think of that. Of course I was mostly reacting to the drawings because I think it's funny when the logic and the artwork work against each other.

it's a skill I learned from Cyclops, actually; to see things from every angle.

#19 Edited by Veitha (3362 posts) - - Show Bio

In the Ultimate Universe he could, he could also open or close it, but then I don't know if this apply to the 616, but I guess so, it seems metallic, while his current visor doesn't instead.

#20 Posted by gambitvoleur (12 posts) - - Show Bio

@veitha: Yes, a few people have mentioned the ultimate universe, though you were more specific; it's interesting that they editors would think of it there but not ever bring it up (even to explain it away) in the normal comics. Although if Magneto's been de-powered or a pseudo-good-guy for the last several years I suppose it wouldn't come up.

And you're right the new X-face outfit makes it a moot point.

#21 Posted by papad1992 (6832 posts) - - Show Bio

@papad1992: I'm sure they don't! It's one of those silly, comic-geek things. To be honest, I only thought of it because a friend and I were coming up with a list of all the X-men whose powers are a disadvantage against Magneto. Wolverine, Colossus, Storm (if you count electricity or cold as helping Magneto's powers) and then we thought, "wait, can he control Cyclops's visor??" lol.

It's an interesting concept to think of... Kudos to you for thinking of it.

#22 Posted by Warpimp (57 posts) - - Show Bio

@mcklayn said:

@jonsmith said:

If you had a choice between fighting someone with the concussive force of a tank missile coming out of his eye sockets, or fighting the same person with A NUKE COMING OUT OF HIS FACE, which would you prefer?

Even if Magneto can control Scott's visor, Scott can control his blasts with the visor. Without it?

This would happen to Magneto. It is literally a difference between: "GUYS, DO THIS, THIS, AND THIS SO WE CAN BARELY WIN!" or "GUYS HE GOT MY VISOR! Get behind me." Even if it doesn't get through Magneto's shields, it'll still destroy a LOT of his environment, and probably knock a lot of Magneto's ammunition out of range.

exactly my point, yes it would impede scott to some degree, but the way it shows him and how familiar he is with his environment, and how tactical he can be i wouldn't chance, sure he might stand there and cover his eyes and hope not to hit some one, or he just might send a Nuke up your ass, is it really worth the risk?

I don't read X-men often but I happened across this comic one day and have been a Cyclops fan ever since.

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