AvX#2 consequences

#1 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio
#2 Posted by IllyanaRasputin (1088 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm so over this already. Wolverine needs to shut the front door and get off of his pedestal. Xavier had a naive dream, Cyclops was in a war. I'm so over people making Cyclops feel bad. He accidentally killed one man and saved the mutant race at the cost of one mans life. Boo Whoo. And Wolverine just needs to UGH. I'm over him being so high and mighty all of a sudden - Wolverine will never be half the man / leader / soldier / x-men Scott has been.

#3 Edited by John Valentine (16270 posts) - - Show Bio

He's the best at what he does, and what he does is be a complete hypocrite!

#4 Posted by McKlayn (1069 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine said:

He's the best at what he does, and what he does is be a complete hypocrite!

Ive never heard it put better. I agree but i'm still interested immensely in this series, this will tell the future of Cyclops and i swear if they don't use him right it will be a damn shame. he's a cashcow right now with more followers and fans since AvX then any other time, they would be stupid to make him a full fledged villain at this point

#5 Posted by Dman1366 (545 posts) - - Show Bio

@IllyanaRasputin said:

I'm so over this already. Wolverine needs to shut the front door and get off of his pedestal. Xavier had a naive dream, Cyclops was in a war. I'm so over people making Cyclops feel bad. He accidentally killed one man and saved the mutant race at the cost of one mans life. Boo Whoo. And Wolverine just needs to UGH. I'm over him being so high and mighty all of a sudden - Wolverine will never be half the man / leader / soldier / x-men Scott has been.

THIS! God I hate Wolverine. The best part about WatX is that his character is not a main character

#6 Posted by John Valentine (16270 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dman1366 said:

@IllyanaRasputin said:

I'm so over this already. Wolverine needs to shut the front door and get off of his pedestal. Xavier had a naive dream, Cyclops was in a war. I'm so over people making Cyclops feel bad. He accidentally killed one man and saved the mutant race at the cost of one mans life. Boo Whoo. And Wolverine just needs to UGH. I'm over him being so high and mighty all of a sudden - Wolverine will never be half the man / leader / soldier / x-men Scott has been.

THIS! God I hate Wolverine. The best part about WatX is that his character is not a main character

I'm growing a bit bored of WatX - it's not been the same since the beginning of AvX and its "wackiness" is growing thin.

Aaron should just accept that everyone hates the Hellfire Brats, urgh. Have a brain-damaged Broo kill them all.

Not a fan of Marvel's current obsession with pushing Saint Logan.

#7 Posted by Crimsonlord53 (1297 posts) - - Show Bio

Umm how and why was scott put in general pop?

#8 Posted by Rickbarry (1752 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crimsonlord53: Because Cap hates mutants, Crimson.

#9 Posted by allthatsgeek (127 posts) - - Show Bio

@Crimsonlord53 said:

Umm how and why was scott put in general pop?

In a private sector prison, no less.

No way in hell would the worlds powers let him be put in a prison like that, he'd be locked up in the raft or the negative prison or wherever the hell Pym/McCoy magically make the next super-prison. Just one more tally mark for "Did we even think about this before we started plotting"

#10 Posted by One_Eye (783 posts) - - Show Bio

@allthatsgeek said:

@Crimsonlord53 said:

Umm how and why was scott put in general pop?

In a private sector prison, no less.

No way in hell would the worlds powers let him be put in a prison like that, he'd be locked up in the raft or the negative prison or wherever the hell Pym/McCoy magically make the next super-prison. Just one more tally mark for "Did we even think about this before we started plotting"

Of course not. I don't even recall hearing who ok'ed the decision to even put Scott in a privately-owned prison. Really losing my like for Cap as time passes.

#11 Posted by grenade728 (748 posts) - - Show Bio

It's official, Wolverine is my least favorite comic character now.

#12 Posted by slimlim (262 posts) - - Show Bio

well... who knows. maybe there'll be twist and Logan busts Scott outta prison.

although i HIGHLY doubt that.

If anybody it'll be Magneto or Cable

#13 Posted by fodigg (6142 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Scott being in jail telling hard truths is the only good thing from the fallout of this event. People have been on Scott's case for years. It is absolutely right to put him on trial and have him tell everyone else what he thinks of them.

Now, will the writers do it convincingly, one way or another? I dunno.

#14 Posted by One_Eye (783 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimlim said:

well... who knows. maybe there'll be twist and Logan busts Scott outta prison.

although i HIGHLY doubt that.

If anybody it'll be Magneto or Cable

Well,whatever the case is,I'm enjoying the idea of Cap and Logan asking Cyclops to help bring in his teammates.

#15 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7259 posts) - - Show Bio

Not picking this up if the whole issue consists of Wolverine and Cyclops b*tch fighting over Jean Grey. I read Schism for that.

#16 Posted by PassionFlower (957 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't have a beef with Logan per se but for goodness sake he stars in five books must he dominate this series too?

#17 Posted by Nightcrawler23 (775 posts) - - Show Bio

Now that AVX is finally over, I hath returned to the forums. What's that you say? It's not over? Their gonna keep milking it for months. Alright, bye.

#18 Posted by onela (17 posts) - - Show Bio

The helmet makes me think of Arthur from The Tick I think?  It's too goofy looking.

#19 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

Did that fool really just chug 3 beers so that he could bring up Charles Xavier?

Enough of this Bull. If he wasn't so busy trying to side with the Avengers for the entire event, things could've gone a lot differently. Cyclops was right, Logan fought him all the way, and Xavier was killed because the Phoenix 5 were never supposed to come into existence in the first d@mn place.

#20 Posted by Dman1366 (545 posts) - - Show Bio

@John Valentine: I am not too big of a fan of children being the villains either. And I was definitely upset when Broo was killed, but in honesty, I like when writers aren't afraid to kill off a character. I think that this series should be a lot of fun with the new mutants born from the AvX series.

#21 Posted by John Valentine (16270 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dman1366 said:

@John Valentine: I am not too big of a fan of children being the villains either. And I was definitely upset when Broo was killed, but in honesty, I like when writers aren't afraid to kill off a character. I think that this series should be a lot of fun with the new mutants born from the AvX series.

I doubt Broo is dead. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's not.

#22 Posted by ComicMan24 (147042 posts) - - Show Bio

Can't believe Wolverine actually said that. I mean seriously?!

#23 Posted by Solarflare32 (393 posts) - - Show Bio

I can actually see Cable busting his father out of prison since Cable alerted Cyclops to the events that led to AvX

#24 Posted by lorex (945 posts) - - Show Bio

I am so sick of this preachy hypocrite version of Wolverine. The truth is when the number of mutants in the world was down to about 200 Xavier's dream of peaceful coexistance between humans and mutants was not in keeping with the difficult times. All the groups that hate mutants started coming after mutants hard. Xavier and his dream were essentially fired from the X-Men and a new leader willing to take decisive action and make a stand to protect all mutants in the face of extinction. Cyclops was the one to step up, make the hard decisions. Wolvereine was one of his soldiers/operatives call it what you will and was in lock step with all of Cyclops decisions, including restarting X-Force which was which was really a private black ops team doing dirty work behind the scenes. Then to protect Cyclops and give him plausable deniability he restarted X-Force on his own. From here things went wrong.
 
I still contend that Schism was not a natural outgrowth of any story line in the X-Men family of titles and was an editorial decision to begin to make Wolverine the leader of the X-Men. To do that a viable alternative was needed and this is where Logan changed. Out of nowhere Logan became the champion of keeping the younger mutants out of danger and not using them as soldiers. This was line that Beast was spouting for years but I guess his profile within the X-Men had dropped so low he was not a good leadership candidate. Its true Logan does have a soft spot for young mutants an would try to help them out. Previously he would help prepare them for battle and tell them what to expect. I seem to recall, and I do not remember the reference, Logan telling other X-Men that this character has the right to decide what to do for themselves even if that involves fighting. in any case Schism the POS that it was happened and Wolverine lead his portion of the X-Men back to Westchester where a new School was constructed. 
 
Schism and Regenesis divided the X-Men into 2 factions. This was suppost to ba a bold new direction for the X-Men, blah blah blah. Clearly Marvel did not like the outcome much cause less that a year later AvX happened. It was here that the editorial agenda to make Wolverine leader of the X-Men continued. They were not very subtle here Captain America and Iron Man briefed the president onthe threat the Phoenix Force represented and of course they consulted their 'expeert' Wolverine who advised them about Hope. He tells cap that Cyclops will try to use the Phoenix to remove the decimation and reestablish mutants in the world. Cap and the Avengers on a helicarrier no less show up on Utopia to take Hope into protective custody. Here is where the hypocracy comes in. For years one of the main enemies of the X-Men and mutants in general has been the US government or at least factions within it. Logan knows this yet but did he tell Cap thet the chances of Cyclopss turning over Hope to the government  started at 'go to hell' and ended at 'over my dead body'. Its from here that the lack of subtility continues and story presents the dispute as X-Men and by extension Cyclops = Bad and Avengers = Good. The BS continued abd in the space of a few days the so called heroes come up with a Phoenix Containment device in the spase of a few days, something intergalatic empires like the Kree, Skrulls and the Shi'Ar could not do. The Shi'Ar for a time controlled the M'Kraan Crystal which some say is the home of the Phoenix but they did not create it. The blunders continue with the creation of the Phoenix Five who are eventually corrupted by the power and of course this makes Avengers = good and X-Men = bad. This later became Cyclops = bad cause all the other X-Men surrendered to the Avengers. Xavier was killed,  Cyclops was defeated, the world saved and now more Mutants are appearing in the world.
 
Wolverine seems set to become the leader of the X-Men. Hell the not so subtility from Marvel continues in Wolverine and the X-Men #18 where with his dieing breath Xavier telepathically contacts Logan and tells him no matter what to not close his school as if that would have made all the difference in the last few years. Now Wolverine gets to be all emotional and tell Cyclops what a bad person he is. The truth is if he had helped Cyclops from the start thinge would have been different.

#25 Posted by TDK_1997 (14456 posts) - - Show Bio

The helmet doesn't bug me that much anymore.

#26 Posted by pandaman1972011 (4 posts) - - Show Bio

Broo death sad, very sad but new mutants are cool. Children are evil and rich children are very evil. So it makes sense that they existent .

#27 Posted by Nosfistis (32 posts) - - Show Bio

@IllyanaRasputin: I second that. Thumbs up.

#28 Posted by Jeanniebird (115 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nightcrawler23 said:

Now that AVX is finally over, I hath returned to the forums. What's that you say? It's not over? Their gonna keep milking it for months. Alright, bye.

Wise desicion.

#29 Posted by Nosfistis (32 posts) - - Show Bio

For me, Wolverine couldn't talk about ethics to the Punisher himself, much less to Cyclops. I mean just check the records... Wolverine and Punisher compete for worlds best serial killer with the trail of bodies they leave behind. How many Wolverine has been mind controlled? Even Scarlet Witch has somewhat been redeemed and was seriously mental without mind control. Avengers should talk even less. Did they forget when the Illuminati kept the Infinity Gauntlet and almost destroyed the Universe? Or how many Iron-man's weapons have been compromised? Or that Bucky is a former Soviet spy/killer. Cyclops was tainted by Phoenix and in his try to do good he messed up (partially even).

#30 Posted by Signs (20 posts) - - Show Bio

In the end all this works in cyclops favor, as it has Sparked interest in a character that otherwise people weren't interested in, Other than the fans of course,I Actually believe that was marvel whole plan from the beginning . I'm a hard core cyclops fan And I have to admit that the x-men Stories were kind of bland the past couple of months I'm looking forward to a x book Which I know they will announce soon,with cyclops leading do gooder mutant outlaws

#31 Posted by PhoenixoftheTides (3447 posts) - - Show Bio

@IllyanaRasputin said:

I'm so over this already. Wolverine needs to shut the front door and get off of his pedestal. Xavier had a naive dream, Cyclops was in a war. I'm so over people making Cyclops feel bad. He accidentally killed one man and saved the mutant race at the cost of one mans life. Boo Whoo. And Wolverine just needs to UGH. I'm over him being so high and mighty all of a sudden - Wolverine will never be half the man / leader / soldier / x-men Scott has been.

I agree. I think the problem with the current creative direction is that if one were to look at these stories objectively, everyone just becomes hypocrites and it has less to do with moral high grounds or moral grey areas, and more to do with lackluster story telling and characters that it's hard to like or respect.

@White Mage said:

Did that fool really just chug 3 beers so that he could bring up Charles Xavier?

Enough of this Bull. If he wasn't so busy trying to side with the Avengers for the entire event, things could've gone a lot differently. Cyclops was right, Logan fought him all the way, and Xavier was killed because the Phoenix 5 were never supposed to come into existence in the first d@mn place.

#32 Posted by One_Eye (783 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

Did that fool really just chug 3 beers so that he could bring up Charles Xavier?

Enough of this Bull. If he wasn't so busy trying to side with the Avengers for the entire event, things could've gone a lot differently. Cyclops was right, Logan fought him all the way, and Xavier was killed because the Phoenix 5 were never supposed to come into existence in the first d@mn place.

Well, guess he has to play up the whole machismo and such what with him shoving around a man that's handcuffed and all. Class-act that Wolverine.

#33 Posted by x_29 (2274 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops vs Wolverine 2: Electric Boogaloo.

#34 Posted by McKlayn (1069 posts) - - Show Bio

Totally in an opposite direction but were Cyclops and Cap so full of themselves they thought hurting Cyclops ego was important enough to risk him breaking out? Cause this whole regular prison thing is just stupid, especially since they apparently already paid millions (i would guess it cost alot anyway) to build a special ruby quartz prison for him that he was in at the end of AvX

#35 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

@McKlayn said:

Totally in an opposite direction but were Cyclops and Cap so full of themselves they thought hurting Cyclops ego was important enough to risk him breaking out? Cause this whole regular prison thing is just stupid, especially since they apparently already paid millions (i would guess it cost alot anyway) to build a special ruby quartz prison for him that he was in at the end of AvX

The Ruby Quartz room was actually Cyclop's and Wolverine's fetish room. It was build long ago after they couldn't use Jean Grey as a proxy for their love.

#36 Posted by McKlayn (1069 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCrowbar said:

@McKlayn said:

Totally in an opposite direction but were Cyclops and Cap so full of themselves they thought hurting Cyclops ego was important enough to risk him breaking out? Cause this whole regular prison thing is just stupid, especially since they apparently already paid millions (i would guess it cost alot anyway) to build a special ruby quartz prison for him that he was in at the end of AvX

The Ruby Quartz room was actually Cyclop's and Wolverine's fetish room. It was build long ago after they couldn't use Jean Grey as a proxy for their love.

thats just creepy, and a big insult to cyclops if he was going to be gay he could do better lol

#37 Posted by TheCrowbar (4286 posts) - - Show Bio

@McKlayn: Did you know Cyclops owns a red wig?

LOL

#38 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (2767 posts) - - Show Bio

@IllyanaRasputin said:

I'm so over this already. Wolverine needs to shut the front door and get off of his pedestal. Xavier had a naive dream, Cyclops was in a war. I'm so over people making Cyclops feel bad. He accidentally killed one man and saved the mutant race at the cost of one mans life. Boo Whoo. And Wolverine just needs to UGH. I'm over him being so high and mighty all of a sudden - Wolverine will never be half the man / leader / soldier / x-men Scott has been.

this and i think xavier will come back somehow dead characters dont stay dead for to long, how ever im hoping xavier will end up being a brain in the jar like martha

#39 Posted by xmentas (175 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCrowbar said:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=13891

The helmet NEEDS to go. I can't take any situation seriously with him wearing that.

THE HELMET! Not only does Marvel decide to make seem like a bad guy, they decide to stick him in a jail and get him to look ridiculous wearing that stupid helmet...and he's so thin..

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