Is X-Men: First Class a reboot?

#1 Edited by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

Different sites say different things, but I thought it was just a prequel. Can anyone clear it up for me?

#2 Posted by Loki9876 (2671 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

i THINK it was a prequel to X1 and X2 but not 3 an d wolverine

#3 Posted by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@Loki9876 said:

i THINK it was a prequel to X1 and X2 but not 3 an d wolverine

So did X3 just not happen?

#4 Posted by Loki9876 (2671 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

I don't know it's just what I think is more logical maybe not it isn't confirmed but it's just what i think

#5 Posted by Dracade102 (8175 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

@Loki9876 said:
i THINK it was a prequel to X1 and X2 but not 3 an d wolverine
So did X3 just not happen?

I think most people like pretending that X3 & Origins never happened...

#6 Posted by ReVamp (22561 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@Dracade102 said:

@Gambit1024 said:
@Loki9876 said:
i THINK it was a prequel to X1 and X2 but not 3 an d wolverine
So did X3 just not happen?
I think most people like pretending that X3 & Origins never happened...

Yeah, I think its a prequel. X3 is probably still cannon until they make another movie, that directly counters it.

#7 Posted by cattlebattle (11094 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

Professor Xs ability to walk makes it the most confusing....he is seen able to walk at the end of X-Men Origins and the beginning (along with a chummy Magneto) of X-Men 3, where he is clearly disabled at the end of First Class

Otherwise any points that don't connect to X3 or Wolverine can likely be cleared up in future sequels

#8 Posted by Or35ti (1069 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

It's not a reboot, 20th Century Fox just f*cked up the continuity lol. It's still my favorite X-Men movie tho and I think it's the best.

#9 Edited by ApatheticAvenger (1632 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: Yeah, that and a few other things (Mystique's close relationship with Xavier and Beast having been the one to create Cerebro) reinforce my belief that it is more reboot than prequel. Ultimately, I think we'll see when they make a follow-up (hopefully with Matthew Vaughn returning as director and his collaborator Jane Goldman returning as a screenwriter).

#10 Posted by Shadowdoggy (3815 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

it's already changed the continuity created by the other 3 X-films
it'll have sequels, if that's the criteria for being a reboot

#11 Posted by SC (9847 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

Its a 'we really, seriously, don't care - priority one, just make a good effin movie, priority two, if we can sort of link it up to other movies thats great, priority three what the hell will we tell people who ask if this is a prequel or reboot? Oh wait answer, hopefully they just focus on priority one.' = Erm, what's the word that stands in for all the stuff I just said?

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#12 Posted by Shadowdoggy (3815 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@SC said:

                    Its a 'we really, seriously, don't care - priority one, just make a good effin movie, priority two, if we can sort of link it up to other movies thats great, priority three what the hell will we tell people who ask if this is a prequel or reboot? Oh wait answer, hopefully they just focus on priority one.' = Erm, what's the word that stands in for all the stuff I just said?

what he said
;)

#13 Posted by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

Well bottom line, I'd like to think that X3 and Wolverine never happened in this little universe. X1 and X2 would be a plus. I wanna be confident that this is the start to an X-Men franchise worth watching.

#14 Posted by Shadowdoggy (3815 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

ha, I just happened to see this today and it made me think of this thread

#15 Posted by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@Shadowdoggy said:

ha, I just happened to see this today and it made me think of this thread

Lol that's awesome. So by that logic, this has to be a reboot, lol.

#16 Edited by cattlebattle (11094 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@angeldust616 said:

@cattlebattle: Yeah, that and a few other things (Mystique's close relationship with Xavier and Beast having been the one to create Cerebro) reinforce my belief that it is more reboot than prequel. Ultimately, I think we'll see when they make a follow-up (hopefully with Matthew Vaughn returning as director and his collaborator Jane Goldman returning as a screenwriter).

Yeah about Cerebro and that stuff...I LOL'd as a big fan of the movies as everything Professor X tells Wolverine in Xmen 1 is a lie, he didn't meet Erik as a teenager, he didn't help him build Cerebro, Scott and Jean were not some of his first students...etc.

The whole Mystique relationship thing is up in the air though as Professor X never really is in the same place as Mystique at the same time in the trilogy, and Prof. X often does keep secrets so It's not hard to actually retcon this into the movies

I imagine the things he told Wolverine will be retconned into hyperbole. Except for them meeting as teenagers, maybe they did meet each other when they were young and Erik was using an alias or something. Maybe at some point (if these First Class films do run another trilogy) Erik will rejoin Charles to modify Cerebro, Possibly he never considers Havok Banshee and Beast students, maybe their the first X-Men as Charles hasn't instructed them scholastically, they were just kind of hurled into action. Thats when he teaches Scott and Jean since young ages who become X-Men later in life....but i'm just reaching with that one

I don't think there is logical way to fix the Xavier randomly walking thing though

#17 Posted by Primmaster64 (21131 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

People that aren't supposed to be born yet exist on it.

#18 Edited by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: Maybe they'll say that it was Professor X using his powers to make them see what he wanted them to see? Idk, I think that whole thing is bs, lol.

And with Scott and Storm being kids in the 60's that would have to mean when the first X-Men movie took place, they were in their 40's. When was the ending to Wolverine's movie supposed to take place?

#19 Posted by cattlebattle (11094 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

@cattlebattle: Maybe they'll say that it was Professor X using his powers to make them see what he wanted them to see? Idk, I think that whole thing is bs, lol. And with Scott and Storm being kids in the 60's that would have to mean when the first X-Men movie took place, they were in their 40's. When was the ending to Wolverine's movie supposed to take place?

Yeah, I think due to the X-Men films being more "probable" thematically, I think they will avoid the whole Astral image thing, maybe Mags fixes his spine out of guilt or some crap, he actually did that in the comics.

Scott and Storm in First Class was obvious fan allusion, its never flat out stated, so that doesn't have to be a proven fact that it was specifically those characters. I personally like to pretend X-Men Origins never happened.....it was terrible on every level, but yes it was when "Three Mile Island" (Strykers island)happened...in the 80's, so actually chronologically, it fits the continuity

#20 Posted by theicon (1797 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@Gambit1024: maybe xmen 3 and wolverine origins are the ultimate universe time line?

#21 Posted by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: With the way First Class ended, I'd hate for Magneto to go back and try to be a good guy again. The best part about that movie, to me, was that they established that Xavier's on one side of the spectrum, while Mags is on the polar opposite all while being on the same side (kind of). Having Mags go back and fix his spine at this point would ruin that for me. That doesn't mean I can't see it happening, because if they wanna connect it all, they'd totally go and pull that off.

#22 Posted by cattlebattle (11094 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

@cattlebattle: With the way First Class ended, I'd hate for Magneto to go back and try to be a good guy again. The best part about that movie, to me, was that they established that Xavier's on one side of the spectrum, while Mags is on the polar opposite all while being on the same side (kind of). Having Mags go back and fix his spine at this point would ruin that for me. That doesn't mean I can't see it happening, because if they wanna connect it all, they'd totally go and pull that off.

I agree, Though Xavier is crippled again obviously, maybe Mags just joins him again to achieve his own ends (like he does in X2) then leaves him crippled again. . The is a huge gap of time between all these series of films so lots of things are possible. Magneto never was a good guy in First Class anyway, like I stated, the only reason he helps Xavier is to find and kill Shaw, so exactly him being a villain or hero is completely a point of view

#23 Posted by Gambit1024 (9878 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: Could you just imagine the sequel to First Class with that ending though?

Magneto: Well Charles, I'm off to find more mutants to find more mutants to join my cause. Won't you come with me old friend?
Prof. X: Sorry, old bean, but I'm afraid I'm just not into that whole thing. I'll be staying at my mansion with my students.
Magneto: Oh, that's a shame. Well I was going to let you keep your legs, but now since you won't join me... *Sends metal spike thru Charles's body*
Prof: Fiddlesticks! You got me again Erik!

Credits.

#24 Posted by cattlebattle (11094 posts) - 1 year, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@Gambit1024 said:

@cattlebattle: Could you just imagine the sequel to First Class with that ending though? Magneto: Well Charles, I'm off to find more mutants to find more mutants to join my cause. Won't you come with me old friend? Prof. X: Sorry, old bean, but I'm afraid I'm just not into that whole thing. I'll be staying at my mansion with my students. Magneto: Oh, that's a shame. Well I was going to let you keep your legs, but now since you won't join me... *Sends metal spike thru Charles's body* Prof: Fiddlesticks! You got me again Erik! Credits.

LOL, Or make some kind of messed up comment, You take stairs for granted old chap...pow...

#25 Posted by MrGore (13 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

I think X-Men First Class and the other x-men movies are simply not related, I wouldn't say it's a reboot, since they may want to carry on both story lines.

This topic makes me remember when I saw the first x-men movie and hated it, simply because things didn't happen like that in the comics, then I decided to simply enjoy the movie as alternative marvel world.

Even comics don't make much sense sometimes for example sometimes wolverine is an enraged animal, other a tactical samurai, other he mixes both, different writers do with the chars what suits their story.

I think what we have a here is a movie to simply enjoy disregarding what happens next.

And the same should be done with Wolverine Origins, the other 3 are obviously linked and the second doesn't make much sense without the back story from the first and the third also needs to be backed up by the second.

That's my opinion, not sure if it's accurate, maybe they'll keep making new movies using First class as a starting point, but that doesn't seem cool, considering, Azazel is the father of Nightcrawler and Mystique ended as Magneto GF, means she's gonna cheat on him... doesn't seem like her in that movie, the comics version might do it...

Thoughts?

#26 Edited by cattlebattle (11094 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

@MrGore said:

This topic makes me remember when I saw the first x-men movie and hated it, simply because things didn't happen like that in the comics, then I decided to simply enjoy the movie as alternative marvel world.

That's my opinion, not sure if it's accurate, maybe they'll keep making new movies using First class as a starting point, but that doesn't seem cool, considering, Azazel is the father of Nightcrawler and Mystique ended as Magneto GF, means she's gonna cheat on him... doesn't seem like her in that movie, the comics version might do it...
Thoughts?

I couldn't be more in love with your first comment. The one thing I hate people complaining about is how the movies aren't like the comics.....because just what you want to see is a movie based off an X-Men story arc thats 14 hours long, has 50 characters running around and kind of boring throughout......no thanks

I don't think Mystique was ever Magnetos girlfriend, she was attracted to him in the film and in the original trilogy films there is inference to a relationship but otherwise I would think they're platonic....I do no think there is any reason to really think they have that relationship

#27 Posted by menaceforever (3693 posts) - 10 months, 24 days ago - Show Bio

A reboot

X-Men: First Class

At a time when the world was first learning of mutants, Professor Xavier created a school where young mutants could learn to use their powers to help protect a world that hates and fears them. What adventures will the first class of X-Men face?

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